Report: Saints part ways with Kris Richard

AsylumGuido · 02-02-2023, 10:22 AM

Our 7-10 record and 22nd rated offense had just as much to do with fielding a backup QB all season behind a makeshift offensive line as it did the playcalling of the offensive coordinator. Sure, Carmichael deserves some blame, but not all of it. There's few coordinators in the league that could have won with what we had to deal with personnel wise this past season.

Let's also not forget that SIX of our loses came against eventual playoff teams. Those are games you are supposed to lose when fielding backups in key positions.

halloween 65 · 02-02-2023, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Our 7-10 record and 22nd rated offense had just as much to do with fielding a backup QB all season behind a makeshift offensive line as it did the playcalling of the offensive coordinator. Sure, Carmichael deserves some blame, but not all of it. There's few coordinators in the league that could have won with what we had to deal with personnel wise this past season.

Let's also not forget that SIX of our loses came against eventual playoff teams. Those are games you are supposed to lose when fielding backups in key positions.

Great point you made here Guido. No quality depth9 (maybe because of lack of draft picks), better OC's out there could have called better games and playoff teams beat us 6 times. Don't know about you but that statement alone says we're not close to competing. Oh I'll add our DC's have bailed and Allen only let a RB coach go ( that's a sign of good leadership) I'm curious who really wants to come to a sinking ship under Allen watch. They are going to be hard up for a job to work under this clown.

AsylumGuido · 02-02-2023, 11:07 AM

My guess is that Richard's and Allen's philosophical differences may have involved defensive playcalling duties. We all know Allen doesn't want to give them up, nor would I want him to. This hire would make that less of an issue.

AsylumGuido · 02-02-2023, 11:08 AM

K Major · 02-02-2023, 10:32 AM

Dallas will probably call (lots of coaching vacancies) on Kris to work in some capacity. Maybe even with SP in Denver.

Most of us know how well Dan Quinn can assemble a defense (see Seattle and Dallas).

I wish Kris all the best.

SaintsBro · 02-02-2023, 12:15 PM

Oh great, Allen is bringing in coaches from his Raiders days, we are now building the 2014 Raiders here. Gotta love that.

AsylumGuido · 02-02-2023, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

Oh great, Allen is bringing in coaches from his Raiders days, we are now building the 2014 Raiders here. Gotta love that.

Woods was his DB coach for four games. Not quite building the 2014 Raiders, Bro. LOL!

K Major · 02-02-2023, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

Oh great, Allen is bringing in coaches from his Raiders days, we are now building the 2014 Raiders here. Gotta love that.

Allen and company will hire a placeholder. Both will be gone in 2024.

At this point, only a fool would believe in anything that Dennis Allen does or says.

The level of incompetence has been mind-blowing this past season.

SmashMouth · 02-02-2023, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You are assuming we are going to suck. Nobody knows that without some sort of crystal ball. I would prefer we not suck as opposed to wishing we would. Not saying you, Smash, are among those wanting us to suck, but they are out there.

Oh, and by the way, I counted only two of our wins that were close (less than 7 points) and they were both to the Falcons. Four of our losses were four points or less. Almost all of that with a backup QB.

Originally Posted by K Major

Allen and company will hire a placeholder. Both will be gone in 2024.

At this point, only a fool would believe in anything that Dennis Allen does or says.

The level of incompetence has been mind-blowing this past season.

Never assume that we're going to suck. None of us are, really. But if we're going to suck, we shouldn't be way over the cap. That then shows even more ineptitude on behalf of Saints management. We DO have to lay much of the blame on the former coach and Loomie. I guarantee you that if Saints HAD successfully drafted Mahomes, SP wouldn't have changed zip codes. He wouldn't be crying about being burned out and needing time off, only to start fresh anew in the mile high city. That's why many fans are still salty... SP quit when he couldn't transition from Brees.

AsylumGuido · 02-02-2023, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Never assume that we're going to suck. None of us are, really. But if we're going to suck, we shouldn't be way over the cap. That then shows even more ineptitude on behalf of Saints management. We DO have to lay much of the blame on the former coach and Loomie. I guarantee you that if Saints HAD successfully drafted Mahomes, SP wouldn't have changed zip codes. He wouldn't be crying about being burned out and needing time off, only to start fresh anew in the mile high city. That's why many fans are still salty... SP quit when he couldn't transition from Brees.

We are only "way over the cap" because that's the way contracts are purposely structured with inflated future base salaries and roster/workout bonuses. It not the result of anything but intentional design. Realistically we are as much as $30 million under the cap as things stand right now.

As for Mahomes, how can you place any blame on Loomis and Payton for the Saints not having him now? They attempted to move up to try to get him but were unable to make any deal to get up that high. That's not their fault. Move on from that.

02-02-2023, 10:22 AM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,703	Re: Report: Saints part ways with Kris Richard Our 7-10 record and 22nd rated offense had just as much to do with fielding a backup QB all season behind a makeshift offensive line as it did the playcalling of the offensive coordinator. Sure, Carmichael deserves some blame, but not all of it. There's few coordinators in the league that could have won with what we had to deal with personnel wise this past season. Let's also not forget that SIX of our loses came against eventual playoff teams. Those are games you are supposed to lose when fielding backups in key positions.

02-02-2023, 10:41 AM	#2
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Report: Saints part ways with Kris Richard Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Our 7-10 record and 22nd rated offense had just as much to do with fielding a backup QB all season behind a makeshift offensive line as it did the playcalling of the offensive coordinator. Sure, Carmichael deserves some blame, but not all of it. There's few coordinators in the league that could have won with what we had to deal with personnel wise this past season. Let's also not forget that SIX of our loses came against eventual playoff teams. Those are games you are supposed to lose when fielding backups in key positions. Great point you made here Guido. No quality depth9 (maybe because of lack of draft picks), better OC's out there could have called better games and playoff teams beat us 6 times. Don't know about you but that statement alone says we're not close to competing. Oh I'll add our DC's have bailed and Allen only let a RB coach go ( that's a sign of good leadership) I'm curious who really wants to come to a sinking ship under Allen watch. They are going to be hard up for a job to work under this clown. Rugby Saint II likes this.

02-02-2023, 11:07 AM	#3
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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,840 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Report: Saints part ways with Kris Richard Dallas will probably call (lots of coaching vacancies) on Kris to work in some capacity. Maybe even with SP in Denver. Most of us know how well Dan Quinn can assemble a defense (see Seattle and Dallas). I wish Kris all the best.

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SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Report: Saints part ways with Kris Richard Oh great, Allen is bringing in coaches from his Raiders days, we are now building the 2014 Raiders here. Gotta love that. halloween 65 and K Major like this.

02-02-2023, 12:21 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,703	Re: Report: Saints part ways with Kris Richard Originally Posted by SaintsBro Oh great, Allen is bringing in coaches from his Raiders days, we are now building the 2014 Raiders here. Gotta love that. Woods was his DB coach for four games. Not quite building the 2014 Raiders, Bro. LOL!

02-02-2023, 12:31 PM	#8
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,840 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Report: Saints part ways with Kris Richard Originally Posted by SaintsBro Oh great, Allen is bringing in coaches from his Raiders days, we are now building the 2014 Raiders here. Gotta love that. Allen and company will hire a placeholder. Both will be gone in 2024. At this point, only a fool would believe in anything that Dennis Allen does or says. The level of incompetence has been mind-blowing this past season. halloween 65 likes this.

02-02-2023, 12:40 PM	#9
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,962 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Report: Saints part ways with Kris Richard Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You are assuming we are going to suck. Nobody knows that without some sort of crystal ball. I would prefer we not suck as opposed to wishing we would. Not saying you, Smash, are among those wanting us to suck, but they are out there. Oh, and by the way, I counted only two of our wins that were close (less than 7 points) and they were both to the Falcons. Four of our losses were four points or less. Almost all of that with a backup QB. Originally Posted by K Major Allen and company will hire a placeholder. Both will be gone in 2024. At this point, only a fool would believe in anything that Dennis Allen does or says. The level of incompetence has been mind-blowing this past season. Never assume that we're going to suck. None of us are, really. But if we're going to suck, we shouldn't be way over the cap. That then shows even more ineptitude on behalf of Saints management. We DO have to lay much of the blame on the former coach and Loomie. I guarantee you that if Saints HAD successfully drafted Mahomes, SP wouldn't have changed zip codes. He wouldn't be crying about being burned out and needing time off, only to start fresh anew in the mile high city. That's why many fans are still salty... SP quit when he couldn't transition from Brees. dizzle88 and K Major like this.

02-02-2023, 01:43 PM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,703	Re: Report: Saints part ways with Kris Richard Originally Posted by SmashMouth Never assume that we're going to suck. None of us are, really. But if we're going to suck, we shouldn't be way over the cap. That then shows even more ineptitude on behalf of Saints management. We DO have to lay much of the blame on the former coach and Loomie. I guarantee you that if Saints HAD successfully drafted Mahomes, SP wouldn't have changed zip codes. He wouldn't be crying about being burned out and needing time off, only to start fresh anew in the mile high city. That's why many fans are still salty... SP quit when he couldn't transition from Brees. We are only "way over the cap" because that's the way contracts are purposely structured with inflated future base salaries and roster/workout bonuses. It not the result of anything but intentional design. Realistically we are as much as $30 million under the cap as things stand right now. As for Mahomes, how can you place any blame on Loomis and Payton for the Saints not having him now? They attempted to move up to try to get him but were unable to make any deal to get up that high. That's not their fault. Move on from that.
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