So.....how about that kicker?

Euphoria · 10-04-2005, 11:27 AM

He has not done ok... You have to make the kicks that count. When the pressue is on you have to deliever as a kicker. You don't miss a PAT to send you into overtime and a chance to get into the playoffs. You don't miss kicks that are automatic to put you ahead... 9-11 is crap if you can't deliever when it counts as well. He is a head case now and isn't getting any younger... we have to dump him at the end of the year...

BrooksMustGo · 10-04-2005, 11:53 AM

I wish our offense could finish the job in the red zone, rendering this a moot point.

However, I think he's pretty good, but like all positions--if we can get a better player, we ought to.

spkb25 · 10-04-2005, 01:46 PM

our o is having big problems right now. stallworth on the other hand looked great. ypu can't win againt most teams with 1 td and 4 fg's. yes when you play a pathetic o you can. how many of them on our schedule. i think arron needs to keep running like he did this past game. really helped us out a couple of times. deuce has to start banging ahead for 4 plus yard gains though also. i did notice this week him getting hit at the line of scrimmage or even before. our o looks like a mistake half the time. it isn't fluent. the best drive all year was our very first one against carolina. we need to get that back. if not i don't see us winning a lot of games. i am holding out my thoughts on our d until we play a better o. i like the pressure we put on and i hope we keep that up with favre this week. if we can he should ahve no problem tossing one or two our way.
as far as carney 80% is pretty good.

WhoDat · 10-04-2005, 02:42 PM

I agree with the general concensus that it would be nice if we could get in the damn endzone. That said, missing kicks inside of 40 yards in a dome is a bad sign. Mark my words, eventually a missed 27 yarder in the 2nd quarter will come back to bite us.

Saint_LB · 10-04-2005, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

He has not done ok... You have to make the kicks that count. When the pressue is on you have to deliever as a kicker. You don't miss a PAT to send you into overtime and a chance to get into the playoffs. You don't miss kicks that are automatic to put you ahead... 9-11 is crap if you can't deliever when it counts as well. He is a head case now and isn't getting any younger... we have to dump him at the end of the year...

Is my memory that bad, or didn't he kick a game-winner already against Carolina? I am happy that he made that one and missed one against Buffalo that turned out to be insignificant. The one against Carolina was much more of a pressure kick then either of the two he missed. They were crucial misses, to be sure, but not as critical as the one against Carolina, IMO.

With that being said, I agree that Carney is getting old, and at some point in time soon he will need to be replaced, but personally I don't think that the misses he has had this year have hurt us as bad as play at other positions has hurt us.

As far as the missed PAT that would have sent us into OT and possibly to the playoffs, well, the fact is that this is simply not true. By the time Carney was lining up to kick that PAT, we were already eliminated from the playoffs. I don't remember the exact scenario, and I suppose that I could be wrong, but I don't think I am. I remember that on that day we needed to win, and one or two other teams needed to lose, and one of those teams had just won right before he attempted that PAT. I remember thinking when it happened that it didn't matter anyway.

yasoon · 10-04-2005, 05:10 PM

Here's the thing with old guys like Carney....

It's expected that he lose some range as he gets older....so you expect the 45+ kicks to be a little less on.

What you expect with the older guy is that anything inside of 40 is money in the bank. He has missed some really woeful kicks. The game winner was fantastic, but you just don't miss 21 yarders...or 32 yarders for that matter. I don't know what it is with Carney, but the last thing this team needs is an erratic kicker. The Saints, for all of their stinkiness, have always been able to drill field goals.

And you can't just say in hindsight that the kick he missed last week was meaningless....at the time, it would have made it a 2 score game. That miss opened the door for the other team..they just weren't good enough to do anything about it.

subguy · 10-04-2005, 08:37 PM

Yeah he sucks.....after his 17 years he is only 10th on the all-time leading scorers list

BoudinSandwich · 10-04-2005, 08:51 PM

Just a thought: The Saints received Carney from the Chargers. Maybe he is better kicking outdoors than indoors.

10-04-2005, 01:46 PM	#13
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	our o is having big problems right now. stallworth on the other hand looked great. ypu can't win againt most teams with 1 td and 4 fg's. yes when you play a pathetic o you can. how many of them on our schedule. i think arron needs to keep running like he did this past game. really helped us out a couple of times. deuce has to start banging ahead for 4 plus yard gains though also. i did notice this week him getting hit at the line of scrimmage or even before. our o looks like a mistake half the time. it isn't fluent. the best drive all year was our very first one against carolina. we need to get that back. if not i don't see us winning a lot of games. i am holding out my thoughts on our d until we play a better o. i like the pressure we put on and i hope we keep that up with favre this week. if we can he should ahve no problem tossing one or two our way. as far as carney 80% is pretty good.
	Your team stinks

10-04-2005, 02:42 PM	#14
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	I agree with the general concensus that it would be nice if we could get in the damn endzone. That said, missing kicks inside of 40 yards in a dome is a bad sign. Mark my words, eventually a missed 27 yarder in the 2nd quarter will come back to bite us.
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10-04-2005, 04:35 PM	#15
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Originally Posted by Euphoria He has not done ok... You have to make the kicks that count. When the pressue is on you have to deliever as a kicker. You don't miss a PAT to send you into overtime and a chance to get into the playoffs. You don't miss kicks that are automatic to put you ahead... 9-11 is crap if you can't deliever when it counts as well. He is a head case now and isn't getting any younger... we have to dump him at the end of the year... Is my memory that bad, or didn't he kick a game-winner already against Carolina? I am happy that he made that one and missed one against Buffalo that turned out to be insignificant. The one against Carolina was much more of a pressure kick then either of the two he missed. They were crucial misses, to be sure, but not as critical as the one against Carolina, IMO. With that being said, I agree that Carney is getting old, and at some point in time soon he will need to be replaced, but personally I don't think that the misses he has had this year have hurt us as bad as play at other positions has hurt us. As far as the missed PAT that would have sent us into OT and possibly to the playoffs, well, the fact is that this is simply not true. By the time Carney was lining up to kick that PAT, we were already eliminated from the playoffs. I don't remember the exact scenario, and I suppose that I could be wrong, but I don't think I am. I remember that on that day we needed to win, and one or two other teams needed to lose, and one of those teams had just won right before he attempted that PAT. I remember thinking when it happened that it didn't matter anyway.
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10-04-2005, 05:10 PM	#16
yasoon 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 594	Here's the thing with old guys like Carney.... It's expected that he lose some range as he gets older....so you expect the 45+ kicks to be a little less on. What you expect with the older guy is that anything inside of 40 is money in the bank. He has missed some really woeful kicks. The game winner was fantastic, but you just don't miss 21 yarders...or 32 yarders for that matter. I don't know what it is with Carney, but the last thing this team needs is an erratic kicker. The Saints, for all of their stinkiness, have always been able to drill field goals. And you can't just say in hindsight that the kick he missed last week was meaningless....at the time, it would have made it a 2 score game. That miss opened the door for the other team..they just weren't good enough to do anything about it.
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10-04-2005, 11:27 AM	#11
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	He has not done ok... You have to make the kicks that count. When the pressue is on you have to deliever as a kicker. You don't miss a PAT to send you into overtime and a chance to get into the playoffs. You don't miss kicks that are automatic to put you ahead... 9-11 is crap if you can't deliever when it counts as well. He is a head case now and isn't getting any younger... we have to dump him at the end of the year...

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10-04-2005, 11:53 AM	#12
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	I wish our offense could finish the job in the red zone, rendering this a moot point. However, I think he's pretty good, but like all positions--if we can get a better player, we ought to.

10-04-2005, 08:37 PM	#17
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,095	Yeah he sucks.....after his 17 years he is only 10th on the all-time leading scorers list

10-04-2005, 08:51 PM	#18
BoudinSandwich OldiesDJ Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Scott, LA Posts: 951 Blog Entries: 12	Just a thought: The Saints received Carney from the Chargers. Maybe he is better kicking outdoors than indoors.