Kaden Elliss says 'numbers and scheme' will determine return to Saints in 2023

AsylumGuido · 02-24-2023, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

There are a few great reasons to keep Kaden on the team. DD is getting old, PW may be injury prone, and Kaden is a pretty darn good player. With that said, the Saints have no QB and no cap space, dude is likely gone.

It's not the cap that would make us let him go. There's enough reserve left to open about $30 million in 2023 cap. We can sign him to a deal with near vet minimum in the first year if he wanted to stay. The main issue is that he wants to start now. That's not going to happen here.

papz · 02-24-2023, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

It's not the cap that would make us let him go. There's enough reserve left to open about $30 million in 2023 cap. We can sign him to a deal with near vet minimum in the first year if he wanted to stay. The main issue is that he wants to start now. That's not going to happen here.

Who should be starting ahead of him?

He had a really good year and he's earned his payday... and playing time.

papz · 02-24-2023, 09:29 AM

Saints 2022 Year-In-Review: Kaden Elliss

An injury to a key New Orleans defender opened the door for the Saints best breakout player of 2022.

When Werner suffered an ankle injury early in a Week 9 game against Baltimore, it opened the door for the 27-year-old Elliss to flourish.

Elliss finished with 7 sacks, 11 pressures, two passes broken up, and 7 tackles for loss among 78 total stops. All were career best numbers. Six of his sacks, along with 63 tackles, came in the last nine games. He was not only disruptive against the run and as a pass rusher, but also showed vast improvements in coverage, thought to be a weakness in his game.

Despite not seeing full-time duty until the mid-season point, Elliss was second on the team in sacks, third in QB hits, and fourth in total tackles and tackles for loss. His 2022 statistics dwarfed the combined numbers he had over his first three NFL seasons.

In the last nine games with Elliss in full-time duty, the Saints gave up an average of less than 15 points and 309 yards per contest while recording 29 sacks. Elliss was as disruptive as any of the more highly publicized New Orleans defenders over this stretch.

An unrestricted free agent entering the offseason, Elliss should be a top priority for the Saints to re-sign. His emergence, along with Werner's development and the elite presence of Davis gave New Orleans one of the league's best trio of linebackers.

Full article

AsylumGuido · 02-24-2023, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by papz

Saints 2022 Year-In-Review: Kaden Elliss

An injury to a key New Orleans defender opened the door for the Saints best breakout player of 2022.

When Werner suffered an ankle injury early in a Week 9 game against Baltimore, it opened the door for the 27-year-old Elliss to flourish.

Elliss finished with 7 sacks, 11 pressures, two passes broken up, and 7 tackles for loss among 78 total stops. All were career best numbers. Six of his sacks, along with 63 tackles, came in the last nine games. He was not only disruptive against the run and as a pass rusher, but also showed vast improvements in coverage, thought to be a weakness in his game.

Despite not seeing full-time duty until the mid-season point, Elliss was second on the team in sacks, third in QB hits, and fourth in total tackles and tackles for loss. His 2022 statistics dwarfed the combined numbers he had over his first three NFL seasons.

In the last nine games with Elliss in full-time duty, the Saints gave up an average of less than 15 points and 309 yards per contest while recording 29 sacks. Elliss was as disruptive as any of the more highly publicized New Orleans defenders over this stretch.

An unrestricted free agent entering the offseason, Elliss should be a top priority for the Saints to re-sign. His emergence, along with Werner's development and the elite presence of Davis gave New Orleans one of the league's best trio of linebackers.

Full article

That would be great if we played a 4-3 defense. We don't. We field a 4-2-5 the vast majority of the time. Don't get me wrong, I would love it if we keep him, but I really think he wants to go somewhere that he can be the fulltime starter. It's not so much about the money, but more so the playing time.

papz · 02-24-2023, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

That would be great if we played a 4-3 defense. We don't. We field a 4-2-5 the vast majority of the time. Don't get me wrong, I would love it if we keep him, but I really think he wants to go somewhere that he can be the fulltime starter. It's not so much about the money, but more so the playing time.

Either I'm crazy or you just like to hear yourself talk.

vpheughan · 02-24-2023, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by papz

Either I'm crazy or you just like to hear yourself talk.

SIRIUSLY......He just likes to hear himself talk.

halloween 65 · 02-24-2023, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by papz

Either I'm crazy or you just like to hear yourself talk.

Ur not crazy!!

AsylumGuido · 02-24-2023, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by papz

Either I'm crazy or you just like to hear yourself talk.

Just typing, papz. It would be crazy for sure if someone talked as they typed.

K Major · 02-27-2023, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by papz

Either I'm crazy or you just like to hear yourself talk.

You definitely aren't crazy Papz

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AsylumGuido · 02-24-2023, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by papz

Who should be starting ahead of him?

He had a really good year and he's earned his payday... and playing time.

Demario Davis and Pete Werner. Which one of those two would you propose we bench? The Nickle is our base defense these days so we almost always have only two LB's on the field. On occasion we only have one LB out there. When you total up all defensive snaps for the Saints LB's (2458) it comes out to slightly more than twice the total of all defensive plays (1132) on the the season. That means we average slightly more than two LB's on the field at any given time over the entirety of the season.

02-24-2023, 07:50 AM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Kaden Elliss says 'numbers and scheme' will determine return to Saints in 2023 Originally Posted by MatthewT There are a few great reasons to keep Kaden on the team. DD is getting old, PW may be injury prone, and Kaden is a pretty darn good player. With that said, the Saints have no QB and no cap space, dude is likely gone. It's not the cap that would make us let him go. There's enough reserve left to open about $30 million in 2023 cap. We can sign him to a deal with near vet minimum in the first year if he wanted to stay. The main issue is that he wants to start now. That's not going to happen here.

02-24-2023, 09:22 AM	#2
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,774	Re: Kaden Elliss says 'numbers and scheme' will determine return to Saints in 2023 Originally Posted by AsylumGuido It's not the cap that would make us let him go. There's enough reserve left to open about $30 million in 2023 cap. We can sign him to a deal with near vet minimum in the first year if he wanted to stay. The main issue is that he wants to start now. That's not going to happen here. Who should be starting ahead of him? He had a really good year and he's earned his payday... and playing time. halloween 65 likes this.

02-24-2023, 09:29 AM	#3
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,774	Re: Kaden Elliss says 'numbers and scheme' will determine return to Saints in 2023 Saints 2022 Year-In-Review: Kaden Elliss An injury to a key New Orleans defender opened the door for the Saints best breakout player of 2022. When Werner suffered an ankle injury early in a Week 9 game against Baltimore, it opened the door for the 27-year-old Elliss to flourish. Elliss finished with 7 sacks, 11 pressures, two passes broken up, and 7 tackles for loss among 78 total stops. All were career best numbers. Six of his sacks, along with 63 tackles, came in the last nine games. He was not only disruptive against the run and as a pass rusher, but also showed vast improvements in coverage, thought to be a weakness in his game. Despite not seeing full-time duty until the mid-season point, Elliss was second on the team in sacks, third in QB hits, and fourth in total tackles and tackles for loss. His 2022 statistics dwarfed the combined numbers he had over his first three NFL seasons. In the last nine games with Elliss in full-time duty, the Saints gave up an average of less than 15 points and 309 yards per contest while recording 29 sacks. Elliss was as disruptive as any of the more highly publicized New Orleans defenders over this stretch. An unrestricted free agent entering the offseason, Elliss should be a top priority for the Saints to re-sign. His emergence, along with Werner's development and the elite presence of Davis gave New Orleans one of the league's best trio of linebackers. Full article
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02-24-2023, 09:42 AM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Kaden Elliss says 'numbers and scheme' will determine return to Saints in 2023 Originally Posted by papz Saints 2022 Year-In-Review: Kaden Elliss An injury to a key New Orleans defender opened the door for the Saints best breakout player of 2022. When Werner suffered an ankle injury early in a Week 9 game against Baltimore, it opened the door for the 27-year-old Elliss to flourish. Elliss finished with 7 sacks, 11 pressures, two passes broken up, and 7 tackles for loss among 78 total stops. All were career best numbers. Six of his sacks, along with 63 tackles, came in the last nine games. He was not only disruptive against the run and as a pass rusher, but also showed vast improvements in coverage, thought to be a weakness in his game. Despite not seeing full-time duty until the mid-season point, Elliss was second on the team in sacks, third in QB hits, and fourth in total tackles and tackles for loss. His 2022 statistics dwarfed the combined numbers he had over his first three NFL seasons. In the last nine games with Elliss in full-time duty, the Saints gave up an average of less than 15 points and 309 yards per contest while recording 29 sacks. Elliss was as disruptive as any of the more highly publicized New Orleans defenders over this stretch. An unrestricted free agent entering the offseason, Elliss should be a top priority for the Saints to re-sign. His emergence, along with Werner's development and the elite presence of Davis gave New Orleans one of the league's best trio of linebackers. Full article That would be great if we played a 4-3 defense. We don't. We field a 4-2-5 the vast majority of the time. Don't get me wrong, I would love it if we keep him, but I really think he wants to go somewhere that he can be the fulltime starter. It's not so much about the money, but more so the playing time.

02-24-2023, 01:51 PM	#5
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,774	Re: Kaden Elliss says 'numbers and scheme' will determine return to Saints in 2023 Originally Posted by AsylumGuido That would be great if we played a 4-3 defense. We don't. We field a 4-2-5 the vast majority of the time. Don't get me wrong, I would love it if we keep him, but I really think he wants to go somewhere that he can be the fulltime starter. It's not so much about the money, but more so the playing time. Either I'm crazy or you just like to hear yourself talk. iceshack149, vpheughan and K Major like this.

02-24-2023, 03:34 PM	#6
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,544	Re: Kaden Elliss says 'numbers and scheme' will determine return to Saints in 2023 Originally Posted by papz Either I'm crazy or you just like to hear yourself talk. SIRIUSLY......He just likes to hear himself talk. K Major likes this.
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02-24-2023, 04:05 PM	#7
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Kaden Elliss says 'numbers and scheme' will determine return to Saints in 2023 Originally Posted by papz Either I'm crazy or you just like to hear yourself talk. Ur not crazy!! iceshack149 and K Major like this.

02-24-2023, 04:09 PM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Kaden Elliss says 'numbers and scheme' will determine return to Saints in 2023 Originally Posted by papz Either I'm crazy or you just like to hear yourself talk. Just typing, papz. It would be crazy for sure if someone talked as they typed.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,799 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Kaden Elliss says 'numbers and scheme' will determine return to Saints in 2023 Originally Posted by papz Either I'm crazy or you just like to hear yourself talk. You definitely aren't crazy Papz .

02-24-2023, 09:38 AM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Kaden Elliss says 'numbers and scheme' will determine return to Saints in 2023 Originally Posted by papz Who should be starting ahead of him? He had a really good year and he's earned his payday... and playing time. Demario Davis and Pete Werner. Which one of those two would you propose we bench? The Nickle is our base defense these days so we almost always have only two LB's on the field. On occasion we only have one LB out there. When you total up all defensive snaps for the Saints LB's (2458) it comes out to slightly more than twice the total of all defensive plays (1132) on the the season. That means we average slightly more than two LB's on the field at any given time over the entirety of the season.