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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Boston Saint So again, it’s more anti Loomis rant than any real answers. You have no basis for calling Loomis the worst GM in the league. His team has never finished last. His team has won a ...

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Old 03-27-2023, 08:31 AM   #1
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So again, it’s more anti Loomis rant than any real answers. You have no basis for calling Loomis the worst GM in the league. His team has never finished last. His team has won a SB and would have a second if not for the refs. The worst GM in football doesn’t do that.

You say they were lucky to win 7 last year. I say they were unlucky to ONLY win 7. Refs gave both TB games to Brady. That’s 9 wins there and a playoff birth. It amazes me how you outright refuse to give any credit to his accomplishments. But hey, each their own.
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So again, it’s more anti Loomis rant than any real answers. You have no basis for calling Loomis the worst GM in the league. His team has never finished last. His team has won a SB and would have a second if not for the refs. The worst GM in football doesn’t do that.

You say they were lucky to win 7 last year. I say they were unlucky to ONLY win 7. Refs gave both TB games to Brady. That’s 9 wins there and a playoff birth. It amazes me how you outright refuse to give any credit to his accomplishments. But hey, each their own.
Boston there is no point in continuing any discussion with this type of hate filled babble. When we respond to his post the more hateful and detached his position becomes. Back on the band list for me and never to engage in secondhand posting again.
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Old 03-27-2023, 09:05 AM   #3
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Boston there is no point in continuing any discussion with this type of hate filled babble. When we respond to his post the more hateful and detached his position becomes. Back on the band list for me and never to engage in secondhand posting again.
You are probably right and I don’t expect to change his mind. Others might benefit from reading our back and forth though. Logic should trump his baseless hatred in other users’ minds. I just don’t like using the ban feature. I’ve never been a fan of denying someone a platform I guess.
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Old 03-26-2023, 02:15 PM   #4
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Bako you will be less than happy for the foreseeable future because "The Saints Front Office and The Saints Process" will more than likely not change anytime soon.

If your dream team organizational process is really as you described in your post. Then maybe one of the current NFL teams involved in a front office, coaching staff and roster change, Houston, Tampa Bay and Atlanta are a better match to your beliefs.

Best part is we should be able to see what's what by January 2024.
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Let's please stay on the topic of the OP. No need for belittlements . Engaging in disparagements accomplishes nothing !
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Old 03-27-2023, 10:45 AM   #7
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Let's please stay on the topic of the OP. No need for belittlements . Engaging in disparagements accomplishes nothing !
Fine but saying I cannot 'fathom' something is also a belittlement and a disparagement. Its just a lamer one.

My objections to Mickey Loomis' cap strategy have been laid out a million times. It causes us to lose quality young and prime players like Williams, Ellis, Hendrickson, Armstead, etc, forces us to keep players with chronic injury and off the field issues like Thomas, Peat, Maye, etc, losing prime free agents, shopping the bargain bin for aging replacements, and never being able to move on from players who are not available and are a bad fit. But AG ignores these objections. All he can see with his rose colored glasses are that we got under the cap so haha Nick Wright is a loser. He does not address my core objections except to say Peat is amazing contributor who is perfect for our system and can't be replaced and we had no use for Williams and Hendrickson.

Do I hate. Yes! I hate losing. What did we do last year? Lose! Exactly the number of losses I predicted. What will we do the next two year minimum because of Loomis' refusal to rebuild? Keep losing. So yeah, I hate that.

Look at the Panthers. Everything they have the past year, we could have done. Now they have the #1 overall pick in the 2023 draft and after that rookie's development year, they have $106 million more in 2024 cap space than we do. Sorry if I am so crazy to say I hate thats them not us. They didn't have to go 0-17. They had the same record as us in 2022 but they didn't trade their 1st round pick and they didn't go all in on signing aging veterans. What is insane to me is thinking our GM is doing a better job because we have a slightly better chance to get to lose a wildcard game this year maybe, while the Panthers went through a rebuild with the same record as our 'all-in' strategy and emerged with the #1 overall pick in a good QB draft and tons of available cap space in 2024.
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Fine but saying I cannot 'fathom' something is also a belittlement and a disparagement. Its just a lamer one.

My objections to Mickey Loomis' cap strategy have been laid out a million times. It causes us to lose quality young and prime players like Williams, Ellis, Hendrickson, Armstead, etc, forces us to keep players with chronic injury and off the field issues like Thomas, Peat, Maye, etc, losing prime free agents, shopping the bargain bin for aging replacements, and never being able to move on from players who are not available and are a bad fit. But AG ignores these objections. All he can see with his rose colored glasses are that we got under the cap so haha Nick Wright is a loser. He does not address my core objections except to say Peat is amazing contributor who is perfect for our system and can't be replaced and we had no use for Williams and Hendrickson.

Do I hate. Yes! I hate losing. What did we do last year? Lose! Exactly the number of losses I predicted. What will we do the next two year minimum because of Loomis' refusal to rebuild? Keep losing. So yeah, I hate that.

Look at the Panthers. Everything they have the past year, we could have done. Now they have the #1 overall pick in the 2023 draft and after that rookie's development year, they have $106 million more in 2024 cap space than we do. Sorry if I am so crazy to say I hate thats them not us. They didn't have to go 0-17. They had the same record as us in 2022 but they didn't trade their 1st round pick and they didn't go all in on signing aging veterans. What is insane to me is thinking our GM is doing a better job because we have a slightly better chance to get to lose a wildcard game this year maybe, while the Panthers went through a rebuild with the same record as our 'all-in' strategy and emerged with the #1 overall pick in a good QB draft and tons of available cap space in 2024.
All teams lose quality, prime players…especially when they accumulate them all at the same time. It’s impossible to keep a stacked roster in the NFL. We just watched the Eagles lose several core pieces this offseason. It just comes with the territory. As far as Hendrickson, he could barely stay on the field his first three years here. He had a big fourth year and then he left. We have to realize that we’re going to have holes. Every team does. We just have to be elite at our strengths, stay healthy, and have a bit of luck.

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All teams lose quality, prime players…especially when they accumulate them all at the same time. It’s impossible to keep a stacked roster in the NFL. We just watched the Eagles lose several core pieces this offseason. It just comes with the territory. As far as Hendrickson, he could barely stay on the field his first three years here. He had a big fourth year and then he left. We have to realize that we’re going to have holes. Every team does. We just have to be elite at our strengths, stay healthy, and have a bit of luck.
Words of wisdom right there Rez.
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Old 03-27-2023, 11:30 AM   #10
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I fail to see why Carolina is an example of who we should model ourselves after. They certainly have done no better than Loomis over the last 20 years. Carolina last had a winning season in 2017 when they lost to us in the playoffs. No SBs. Comparing their cap situation to ours is apples and oranges since they’ve had multiple 5 win seasons recently while we were fielding winning teams.
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