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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by AsylumGuido When it comes to Bako I believe you nailed with those two takes, Boston. He believes there is a cap problem because it appears he cannot fathom the dynamics involved. And firing those responsible is the ...

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Old 03-26-2023, 05:31 PM   #1
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Re: Saints Likely To Trade 2024 1st Round Pick

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When it comes to Bako I believe you nailed with those two takes, Boston.

He believes there is a cap problem because it appears he cannot fathom the dynamics involved. And firing those responsible is the only way to make the incomprehensible fear go away. The fallacy here is that whenever Loomis and Harley ever do move on those that succeed them are likely to continue with the very same logical methodology and his illogical nightmare will continue.
Don't tell me what I can and cannot fathom you insufferable glob of human trash. Just like your mother could fathom selling herself for a $20 bill I can fathom exactly the dynamics involved in the modern salary cap. Any team can always lived on borrowed money to dig out of debt for other borrowed money and field a .500-ish team. But living on borrowed money required contracts structured in a way where all your big gambles are 'un-cut-able' which leads to zombie cap spend on schlubs like Michael Thomas and Andrus Peat who don't contribute but you can't afford to move on. Whey you are so leveraged you depend on restructuring every big contract to get under the cap, which makes all the dead cap hits if you cut them giant, you can't even afford to pay your stars what the contract said each year, so paying more than that to get out of the contracts long term is impossible, so you become the team that would see Matt Ryan, Julio Jones, Antonio Brown, Ezekiel Elliot, etc through, not just to the end of their disaster contracts that other teams cut, but that would actually extend them to stay longer to soften the cap hits. You just can't win that way long term.

Also, spending the 2023 cap in 2022 and spending the 2024 cap in 2023 may put you on a level playing field with other teams, maybe even give you 10% more to spend (though like I said, you will be spending a lot of it on bad decisions you can't escape like Peat and Thomas, so really its a bad deal), but level playing field gets you .500 not a ring. A team that spent their 2022 salary cap to fund 2022 has an option we don't have. If they think 2023 is their year, they can spend the 2023 cap and the 2024 cap in 2023. They can convert from their way to our way, and in that leap year or two, they can spend more than you could normally spend in either way. They can make a run, win the race for a ring, and then walk it off and rebuild. By always being leveraged to the max, we can't make a run by going into leverage when the window is there and making a lot of additions all at once around a young core. Thats how most rings are won these days, and you missed it idolizing looming and spanking your monkey about a 13yo ring.

What you don't seem to get, when you see other teams 'imitating our brilliant strategy' is that they are not doing it long term, they are trying to time a window. They are young and have cap room so they max out and they leverage up and they try to time the window. Often they can get a ring. When the leverage is too much, and the see a decline like going from 12-4 to 9-8 to 7-10, they rebuild and cut their bad contracts and aging players and stockpile some draft picks. Then they do it all again. But Mickey Loomis can't fathom this any more than he can fathom why other people don't start drinking at breakfast.

A good example of logical thinking is this piece on the Rams. They are doing exactly what I explain.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-to-pull-back/
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Old 03-26-2023, 05:43 PM   #2
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Don't tell me what I can and cannot fathom you insufferable glob of human trash. Just like your mother could fathom selling herself for a $20 bill I can fathom exactly the dynamics involved in the modern salary cap. Any team can always lived on borrowed money to dig out of debt for other borrowed money and field a .500-ish team. But living on borrowed money required contracts structured in a way where all your big gambles are 'un-cut-able' which leads to zombie cap spend on schlubs like Michael Thomas and Andrus Peat who don't contribute but you can't afford to move on. Whey you are so leveraged you depend on restructuring every big contract to get under the cap, which makes all the dead cap hits if you cut them giant, you can't even afford to pay your stars what the contract said each year, so paying more than that to get out of the contracts long term is impossible, so you become the team that would see Matt Ryan, Julio Jones, Antonio Brown, Ezekiel Elliot, etc through, not just to the end of their disaster contracts that other teams cut, but that would actually extend them to stay longer to soften the cap hits. You just can't win that way long term.

Also, spending the 2023 cap in 2022 and spending the 2024 cap in 2023 may put you on a level playing field with other teams, maybe even give you 10% more to spend (though like I said, you will be spending a lot of it on bad decisions you can't escape like Peat and Thomas, so really its a bad deal), but level playing field gets you .500 not a ring. A team that spent their 2022 salary cap to fund 2022 has an option we don't have. If they think 2023 is their year, they can spend the 2023 cap and the 2024 cap in 2023. They can convert from their way to our way, and in that leap year or two, they can spend more than you could normally spend in either way. They can make a run, win the race for a ring, and then walk it off and rebuild. By always being leveraged to the max, we can't make a run by going into leverage when the window is there and making a lot of additions all at once around a young core. Thats how most rings are won these days, and you missed it idolizing looming and spanking your monkey about a 13yo ring.

What you don't seem to get, when you see other teams 'imitating our brilliant strategy' is that they are not doing it long term, they are trying to time a window. They are young and have cap room so they max out and they leverage up and they try to time the window. Often they can get a ring. When the leverage is too much, and the see a decline like going from 12-4 to 9-8 to 7-10, they rebuild and cut their bad contracts and aging players and stockpile some draft picks. Then they do it all again. But Mickey Loomis can't fathom this any more than he can fathom why other people don't start drinking at breakfast.

A good example of logical thinking is this piece on the Rams. They are doing exactly what I explain.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-to-pull-back/
Lovely. You are very disturbed, son. It's hard to respect the opinion of someone who calls your mother a cheap whore. Grow up.
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Old 03-26-2023, 05:48 PM   #3
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Lovely. You are very disturbed, son. It's hard to respect the opinion of someone who calls your mother a cheap whore. Grow up.
I didn't ask you to respect me. I called your mother a cheap whore because you already don't respect me. When you say someone can't fathom something, you are saying they are stupid, but you are doing so in the round about way of a coward. I don't like that. If you are going to call me stupid call call me stupid, don't dance around it in your pink leotard. So you called me stupid, and I called you stupid and called your mother a whore. I won't let you insult me and pretend you are not insulting me. All I did was make it real. You actually should respect that.
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I didn't ask you to respect me. I called your mother a cheap whore because you already don't respect me. When you say someone can't fathom something, you are saying they are stupid, but you are doing so in the round about way of a coward. I don't like that. If you are going to call me stupid call call me stupid, don't dance around it in your pink leotard. So you called me stupid, and I called you stupid and called your mother a whore. I won't let you insult me and pretend you are not insulting me. All I did was make it real. You actually should respect that.
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I didn't ask you to respect me. I called your mother a cheap whore because you already don't respect me. When you say someone can't fathom something, you are saying they are stupid, but you are doing so in the round about way of a coward. I don't like that. If you are going to call me stupid call call me stupid, don't dance around it in your pink leotard. So you called me stupid, and I called you stupid and called your mother a whore. I won't let you insult me and pretend you are not insulting me. All I did was make it real. You actually should respect that.
BAA HAA HAA!!!!! If he talked about my mother I'd have a curse put on him. Guido, I've got a friend, Zulu priestess, who cleared the bad mojo back in 2006. Need the number for a good curse? PM me.

I'm not blocking Bako because this is way too entertaining!
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BAA HAA HAA!!!!! If he talked about my mother I'd have a curse put on him. Guido, I've got a friend, Zulu priestess, who cleared the bad mojo back in 2006. Need the number for a good curse? PM me.

I'm not blocking Bako because this is way too entertaining!
The guy is already cursed, Rugs. He has to look at himself in the mirror every day. I'm back to ignoring him again, however, since I have still never read a single post of his that was even vaguely constructive or informative.
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The guy is already cursed, Rugs. He has to look at himself in the mirror every day. I'm back to ignoring him again, however, since I have still never read a single post of his that was even vaguely constructive or informative.
Gosh I guess if I want to make constructive informative posts I should just post '20-0 Baby! 20-0 Baby!' over and over since its so constructive and informative to be on Mickey Loomis' jock 24/7. Fact is most of my posts are 1000x more constructive and informative than yours because they are not pure cheerleading. I am fine looking myself in the mirror because I am typically wearing a shirt and jeans. Looks a lot better than you in a Saintsations outfit.
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Gosh I guess if I want to make constructive informative posts I should just post '20-0 Baby! 20-0 Baby!' over and over since its so constructive and informative to be on Mickey Loomis' jock 24/7. Fact is most of my posts are 1000x more constructive and informative than yours because they are not pure cheerleading. I am fine looking myself in the mirror because I am typically wearing a shirt and jeans. Looks a lot better than you in a Saintsations outfit.
You actually said Loomis is the worst GM in the league Bako. If you can’t see that you are on the complete opposite side of the spectrum from AG then you have vision problems. While he sees everything rosy, you see nothing but negatives when it comes to Loomis. No one expects you to ride his jock. Objectivity would be nice though.
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