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turbo_dog 03-17-2023 01:37 PM
OK Then... New Biggest Need
 
Soooo, right after I said DT is our biggest need, the team went and signed not one, but TWO juicy DT free agents.

Now what is our biggest need?

I'm thinking tight end and safety.

A great pick at number 29 in the draft would be Darnell Washington, TE from Georgia.

What are your thoughts?

turbo_dog 03-17-2023 01:38 PM
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Boston Saint 03-17-2023 01:40 PM
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In all honesty I think an overlooked need is a reliable kicker. If we had say…Koo from Atl, we would have been a 10 win team. We need a stable kicker.

Who is the best coming out of the draft ?

K Major 03-17-2023 02:05 PM
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I'd look for Peat's replacement in the draft. GUARD. I like Cyrus Torrence.


S & TE (BPA) in the draft.

I wouldn't mind adding another veteran WR (slot). Give DCarr as many weapons (see Bills, Chiefs, Niners & Cowboys) as you possibly can.

Edit - add DT depth. Roach, Street, and Huggins aren't set in stone.

SmashMouth 03-17-2023 02:08 PM
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DL and OL, in that order. Then RB Spears in the third round. Doubt he lasts until the 4th.

Mr.Riaton 03-17-2023 02:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 971637)
I'd look for Peat's replacement in the draft. GUARD. I like Cyrus Torrence.


S & TE (BPA) in the draft.

I wouldn't mind adding another veteran WR (slot). Give DCarr as many weapons (see Bills, Chiefs, Niners & Cowboys) as you possibly can.

Edit - add DT depth. Roach, Street, and Huggins aren't set in stone.
I was gonna suggest the same position and player(Torrence). Unfortunately he most likely won’t be there for us but if he is, I’d love to have him.
How would you feel trading our first this year and a pick next year to move up for him, being we have several extra picks next year?
We could always go FA next year too

papz 03-17-2023 02:39 PM
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I'm glad we got a couple of big bodies in at DT but it's still our biggest need. Both seem like rotational players until proven otherwise. Interior OL is also a concern. That said, both areas can be addressed via the draft.

Mr.Riaton 03-17-2023 02:46 PM
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Id like to see us focus heavily on DL and OL this year and even next year. We need some young studs for now and the future on those lines

Boston Saint 03-17-2023 03:01 PM
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I agree we need DL help, but like last year we are hoping Thomas plays. I’m hoping, but doubtful. Another offensive weapon is what’s needed most IMHO.

AsylumGuido 03-17-2023 03:15 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 971647)
I agree we need DL help, but like last year we are hoping Thomas plays. I’m hoping, but doubtful. Another offensive weapon is what’s needed most IMHO.
I have no doubt that Thomas will play and play well, but I think the real question that most have is will he avoid yet another totally unrelated injury. Only the good Lord can answer that question.

K Major 03-17-2023 03:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton (Post 971643)
How would you feel trading our first this year and a pick next year to move up for him, being we have several extra picks next year?
We could always go FA next year too
No sir I wouldn't.

The only player that I'd be interested in trading up for is DT Jalen Carter. I think the kid will be next-level special.

There are some good Day 2 o-line prospects that could become quality starters.

mapcow 03-18-2023 11:53 AM
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An actual coach. D Allen stayed true to his head coach form, back when Sean Peyton was suspended in 2012- Allen's record 4-12 (Raiders) jump to the present, still losing.... as he has so eloquently demonstrated. True to form. :beatnik:


See for yourself. Here are Allen’s records through nine games in each of his four stints as a head coach in the NFL:

2012 Raiders: 3-6 (finished 4-12)
2013 Raiders: 3-6 (finished 4-12)
2014 Raiders: 0-9 (Allen was fired after starting 0-4, and the Raiders finished at 3-13 without him)
2022 Saints: 7-10

https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2022...history-stats/

rezburna 03-18-2023 02:17 PM
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I’d like to add OBJ.

Rugby Saint II 03-18-2023 02:31 PM
Re: OK Then... New Biggest Need
 
DT is my top priority. Followed closely by OG. Preferably Cyrus Torrence. DE is also a big need. Maybe a speedster who can chase down mobile QB's. Tajae spears in the third round is my one must have though. I see him as an eventual AK replacement and filling in for six games or so. This is supposed to be a deep TE draft, so I want one of those too.

AsylumGuido 03-18-2023 03:38 PM
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From the link above:

Saints college scouting director Jeff Ireland was a fan of his coming out of Baton Rouge, and Moreau was a favorite target of Derek Carr with the Raiders — he averaged 2.6 and 3.6 targets per game the last two years.

This doesn’t mean that a signing is imminent, but it would make a lot of sense. Moreau is a competent blocker who could push Adam Trautman down into a role more focused on what he does best (paving the way on run plays) while complementing Juwan Johnson as the lead tight end. Having Johnson handle the lion’s share of receiving duties while Moreau chips in as both a receiver and blocker, being more of an all-around player, could be a nice addition to the offense.

K Major 03-18-2023 05:45 PM
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LB depth

Pete is a solid player but he has been knicked up. We all know Demario is a dawg but father NEVER lose.

Do you really trust Baun & an unproven rookie (DJackson) to
fill in if our starters go down?

Yep, quality LB depth is necessary.

saintsfan1976 03-19-2023 06:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 971713)
LB depth

Pete is a solid player but he has been knicked up. We all know Demario is a dawg but father NEVER lose.

Do you really trust Baun & an unproven rookie (DJackson) to
fill in if our starters go down?

Yep, quality LB depth is necessary.
LB. Agreed. Eliss left a void Baun isn't suited to fill.

WR - either draft or vet.

S - draft

AsylumGuido 03-20-2023 09:44 AM
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K Major 03-20-2023 10:00 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 971705)
I’d like to add OBJ.
I'd be interested to know if the Saints are even interested in acquiring D.J. Chark?

Five seasons in, he's gained more bulk & is still quick. Slightly bigger taller than Mike T (could play the X as back up) & can play @ the Z.

I think he'd be a "safer" choice at WR without the costly price tag.

Last I heard, Odell's camp is asking anywhere from 4-8M. Big risk on a 30 year old with two torn ACL's. Dallas was interested however Jerrah decided to trade for B Cooks instead.

K Major 03-20-2023 12:39 PM
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Edit ** it appears the Panthers are closing in on Thielen AND Chark.

They are in serious need of pass catchers after the departure of DJ Moore.

If the Panthers get their QB (long term) in the draft, they could be dangerous in the NFC South. Their defense is already solid.

Rugby Saint II 03-20-2023 01:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 971751)
Edit ** it appears the Panthers are closing in on Thielen AND Chark.

They are in serious need of pass catchers after the departure of DJ Moore.

If the Panthers get their QB (long term) in the draft, they could be dangerous in the NFC South. Their defense is already solid.
But....but....We are supposed to win the NFC South! How dare they try to be competitive! :brood:

rezburna 03-20-2023 01:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 971747)
I'd be interested to know if the Saints are even interested in acquiring D.J. Chark?

Five seasons in, he's gained more bulk & is still quick. Slightly bigger taller than Mike T (could play the X as back up) & can play @ the Z.

I think he'd be a "safer" choice at WR without the costly price tag.

Last I heard, Odell's camp is asking anywhere from 4-8M. Big risk on a 30 year old with two torn ACL's. Dallas was interested however Jerrah decided to trade for B Cooks instead.
I haven’t seen us linked to Chark. The Panthers are though. In comparison, I rather do a 1 year deal with OBJ because he’s so much better than Chark at practically everything and they’re both injury prone. I doubt we get either though.

BakoSaint 03-20-2023 04:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 971753)
I haven’t seen us linked to Chark. The Panthers are though. In comparison, I rather do a 1 year deal with OBJ because he’s so much better than Chark at practically everything and they’re both injury prone. I doubt we get either though.
We already have the most injury prone wide receiver in the league. We do not need to get the 2nd or 3rd most injury prone one too. If we have money to spend we should have spent it cutting Thomas or Peat and replacing them with someone healthy and young. If we have a few million to spend it could make more sense to get a healthy oline, TE, or a linebacker.

SmashMouth 03-20-2023 05:49 PM
Re: OK Then... New Biggest Need
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 971751)
Edit ** it appears the Panthers are closing in on Thielen AND Chark.

They are in serious need of pass catchers after the departure of DJ Moore.

If the Panthers get their QB (long term) in the draft, they could be dangerous in the NFC South. Their defense is already solid.
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 971747)
I'd be interested to know if the Saints are even interested in acquiring D.J. Chark?

Five seasons in, he's gained more bulk & is still quick. Slightly bigger taller than Mike T (could play the X as back up) & can play @ the Z.

I think he'd be a "safer" choice at WR without the costly price tag.

Last I heard, Odell's camp is asking anywhere from 4-8M. Big risk on a 30 year old with two torn ACL's. Dallas was interested however Jerrah decided to trade for B Cooks instead.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 971752)
But....but....We are supposed to win the NFC South! How dare they try to be competitive! :brood:
Quote:
Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 971753)
I haven’t seen us linked to Chark. The Panthers are though. In comparison, I rather do a 1 year deal with OBJ because he’s so much better than Chark at practically everything and they’re both injury prone. I doubt we get either though.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 971755)
We already have the most injury prone wide receiver in the league. We do not need to get the 2nd or 3rd most injury prone one too. If we have money to spend we should have spent it cutting Thomas or Peat and replacing them with someone healthy and young. If we have a few million to spend it could make more sense to get a healthy oline, TE, or a linebacker.
Sammy Watkins - Washed
Mike Evans - Still Good
ODB - Washed
Bradin Cooks - Meh Downslide
Kelvin Benjamin - out the league
Marquise Lee - Out the league
Jordan Matthews - Washed been bouncing around Practice squads
Paul Richarson - Out the league
Davante Adams - Still Good
Cody Lattimer - Out the league
Allen Robinson - Meh Downslide
Jarvis Landry - Washed

Let's get our younger players to step up and get some new players both in the draft and UDFA.

K Major 03-20-2023 06:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 971758)
Sammy Watkins - Washed
Mike Evans - Still Good
ODB - Washed
Bradin Cooks - Meh Downslide
Kelvin Benjamin - out the league
Marquise Lee - Out the league
Jordan Matthews - Washed been bouncing around Practice squads
Paul Richarson - Out the league
Davante Adams - Still Good
Cody Lattimer - Out the league
Allen Robinson - Meh Downslide
Jarvis Landry - Washed

Let's get our younger players to step up and get some new players both in the draft and UDFA.
Where do you have Can't Call Mike ranked as of now :bugeyes:?

He hasn't played a full season of football in years and he's 30. I see his "tweets" but hadn't seen any highlights of him working out, cutting, or catching passes :rolleyes:.

And yeah, Landry looks close to being done.

K Major 03-21-2023 10:41 AM
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Agree with Nick on LB depth.

rezburna 03-21-2023 11:27 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 971758)
Sammy Watkins - Washed
Mike Evans - Still Good
ODB - Washed
Bradin Cooks - Meh Downslide
Kelvin Benjamin - out the league
Marquise Lee - Out the league
Jordan Matthews - Washed been bouncing around Practice squads
Paul Richarson - Out the league
Davante Adams - Still Good
Cody Lattimer - Out the league
Allen Robinson - Meh Downslide
Jarvis Landry - Washed

Let's get our younger players to step up and get some new players both in the draft and UDFA.
I think OBJ is far from washed. The last time we saw him he was in the Super Bowl dominating. Looked like he was about to win the MVP. I also don't think youth is always the answer. Two of our starting WR's are second year guys. We may benefit from veteran leadership. I see us drafting a WR and bringing a few guys in in UDFA like you said, but we could definitely benefit from bringing in guys that we know can play now.

Boston Saint 03-21-2023 11:49 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 971785)
I think OBJ is far from washed. The last time we saw him he was in the Super Bowl dominating. Looked like he was about to win the MVP. I also don't think youth is always the answer. Two of our starting WR's are second year guys. We may benefit from veteran leadership. I see us drafting a WR and bringing a few guys in in UDFA like you said, but we could definitely benefit from bringing in guys that we know can play now.
The injury issue is a tricky thing. Both Thomas and Landry started off last year healthy (So did Penning). The injuries they had were not reoccurring issues. They were plays that could happen to any player. Didn’t Trautman hurt himself running a route pre-snap?

The Saints were Snakebit for injuries last year. The national press has documented it. That’s 2 years in a row we’ve had really bad luck as far as player availability. It’s happened to old, young, prone and non-prone players.

K Major 03-21-2023 12:03 PM
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Something needs to change on Airline drive.

Read an article last season back in late Oct that the Saints were the least (#32) healthy team heading down the stretch for a playoff run.

Maybe more players should hang around Demario, Cam, or ask Malcolm Jenkins what they do on a daily to stay so "fit".

Boston Saint 03-21-2023 12:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 971789)
Something needs to change on Airline drive.

Read an article last season back in late Oct that the Saints were the least (#32) healthy team heading down the stretch for a playoff run.

Maybe more players should hang around Demario, Cam, or ask Malcolm Jenkins what they do on a daily to stay so "fit".
If they know a fountain of youth I’m all for it. How could Tom Brady last as long as he did?

AsylumGuido 03-21-2023 01:02 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 971787)
The injury issue is a tricky thing. Both Thomas and Landry started off last year healthy (So did Penning). The injuries they had were not reoccurring issues. They were plays that could happen to any player. Didn’t Trautman hurt himself running a route pre-snap?

The Saints were Snakebit for injuries last year. The national press has documented it. That’s 2 years in a row we’ve had really bad luck as far as player availability. It’s happened to old, young, prone and non-prone players.
Yup. The type of injuries we have been experiencing have nothing to do with conditioning or such. It's simply been bad luck. Just being in the wrong place at the wrong time AND to key individual players. In fact I read that our soft tissue numbers are way down. That's on the Saints' Dr. Matt Rhea.

AsylumGuido 03-21-2023 01:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 971791)
If they know a fountain of youth I’m all for it. How could Tom Brady last as long as he did?
For one thing he was very lucky. And he was talented enough to stay away from trouble. Certainly some players have better genes than others.

Rugby Saint II 03-21-2023 03:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 971758)
Sammy Watkins - Washed
Mike Evans - Still Good
ODB - Washed
Bradin Cooks - Meh Downslide
Kelvin Benjamin - out the league
Marquise Lee - Out the league
Jordan Matthews - Washed been bouncing around Practice squads
Paul Richarson - Out the league
Davante Adams - Still Good
Cody Lattimer - Out the league
Allen Robinson - Meh Downslide
Jarvis Landry - Washed

Let's get our younger players to step up and get some new players both in the draft and UDFA.
I agree with bringing in younger, cheaper players who the Saints scouts think will fit the system. What are your thoughts on DJ Clark? He seems like a solid option to me.

subguy 03-22-2023 05:34 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 971751)
Edit ** it appears the Panthers are closing in on Thielen AND Chark.

They are in serious need of pass catchers after the departure of DJ Moore.

If the Panthers get their QB (long term) in the draft, they could be dangerous in the NFC South. Their defense is already solid.
UGH....very true

subguy 03-22-2023 05:35 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 971755)
We already have the most injury prone wide receiver in the league. We do not need to get the 2nd or 3rd most injury prone one too.
Inclined to agree

subguy 03-22-2023 05:47 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 971813)
I agree with bringing in younger, cheaper players who the Saints scouts think will fit the system. What are your thoughts on DJ Clark? He seems like a solid option to me.
ODB is another "all about me" player. Injuries have bit him recently, and his asking price is not good. Landry and ODB are the same age if not mistaken it is time to get some future.

I hope MT can have one last good year, because he is in that 30 yr old group as well. Unfortunately, he watched from his living room during his prime. Him having a good year could afford us to give youth a year of experience .

If there was a veteran that would come at a fair price, I wouldn't mind picking up one more but it is slim pickings out there.

saintsfan1976 03-22-2023 04:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by subguy (Post 971840)
ODB is another "all about me" player. Injuries have bit him recently, and his asking price is not good. Landry and ODB are the same age if not mistaken it is time to get some future.

I hope MT can have one last good year, because he is in that 30 yr old group as well. Unfortunately, he watched from his living room during his prime. Him having a good year could afford us to give youth a year of experience .

If there was a veteran that would come at a fair price, I wouldn't mind picking up one more but it is slim pickings out there.
Dunno man...

Players seem to really respect and revere OBJ. Says a lot.

Most of us here thought MT was absolutely a diva for sure gone. What did we know...

SmashMouth 03-22-2023 04:35 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 971813)
I agree with bringing in younger, cheaper players who the Saints scouts think will fit the system. What are your thoughts on DJ Clark? He seems like a solid option to me.
KMajor says he's as awesome. While I am an LSU homer, I'm not quite ready to jump off the ledge just yet!

:awe:

AsylumGuido 03-22-2023 04:52 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 971875)
Dunno man...

Players seem to really respect and revere OBJ. Says a lot.

Most of us here thought MT was absolutely a diva for sure gone. What did we know...
I was not among those at all. And he's far from being a diva. One could say he's the polar opposite.

K Major 03-22-2023 04:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 971877)
KMajor says he's as awesome. While I am an LSU homer, I'm not quite ready to jump off the ledge just yet!

:awe:
Lol !!... slight exaggeration eh :bng:?

He would be one hell of an X (in case MT isn't healthy) or even the Z. Chark isn't awesome but would be a quality compliment to our group.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/3oKIP...giphy.gif&ct=g


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