Predict the Saints' Record Year 2023

Rugby Saint II · 03-30-2023, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Teams aren't even done building rosters.

We haven't even gotten to the draft yet. As I understand it, NFL teams use the draft to build their teams.iirc If I had to guess I'm looking at 10-7 or possibly 11-6. But, it is kind of early to take an educated guess.

We've made some good off season moves. So, that's just my uneducated guess.

saintsfan1976 · 03-30-2023, 03:08 PM

We've certainly made moves. How good, also yet to be determined.

I'm with you though, it feels like the right moves...

I'm also extremely curious to see how Sean Payton's moves pan out this season and beyond. Things in New Orleans with him got stale at times and ultimately feels like there was no plan for life after Drew Brees.

AsylumGuido · 03-30-2023, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

We've certainly made moves. How good, also yet to be determined.

I'm with you though, it feels like the right moves...

I'm also extremely curious to see how Sean Payton's moves pan out this season and beyond. Things in New Orleans with him got stale at times and ultimately feels like there was no plan for life after Drew Brees.

Or life after Dan Marino. Or after Peyton Manning. Or after Fran Tarkenton. Or after ...

I feel there was a plan after Brees but it was thrown into complete disrepair when COVID shut everything down and Winston got injured.

saintsfan1976 · 03-30-2023, 07:24 PM

Or Joe Montana or Brett Favre or John Elway.

Oh wait... each of their successors won a Superbowl.

Boston Saint · 03-30-2023, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Or Joe Montana or Brett Favre or John Elway.

Oh wait... each of their successors won a Superbowl.

In all fairness, I don’t think Elway’s did. Bob Griese took over for a while then Jake Plummer. It took awhile for Payton to bring another title to Denver. Young and Rodgers did though. But your point stands.

Rell&Gold · 03-30-2023, 07:47 PM

9-8 or 10-7

saintsfan1976 · 03-31-2023, 05:18 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

In all fairness, I don’t think Elway’s did. Bob Griese took over for a while then Jake Plummer. It took awhile for Payton to bring another title to Denver. Young and Rodgers did though. But your point stands.

You're right. I just needed a third example.

TheOak · 03-31-2023, 06:29 AM

Upgraded chess pieces, same checker players moving them.

We have not addressed play calling in any way and it is going to take Carr time to gel with the players and what ever playbook there is.

If our record improves over 2022 it’s because other teams slid.

Toss up between 9-8 and 8-9 which will be decided by player health.

AsylumGuido · 03-31-2023, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

You're right. I just needed a third example.

So twice in history that we can think of a great QB was succeeded by another great QB. The norm tends to be more like years, and sometime decades, before an equally worthy replacement is found. Sometimes, in the case of Joe Namath, never. Sorry, but I can't blame Payton for not having Brees v.2.0 in place.

AsylumGuido · 03-31-2023, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Upgraded chess pieces, same checker players moving them.

We have not addressed play calling in any way and it is going to take Carr time to gel with the players and what ever playbook there is.

If our record improves over 2022 it’s because other teams slid.

Toss up between 9-8 and 8-9 which will be decided by player health.

I believe we have addressed playcalling with the addition of Carr and Michael Thomas alone. Chunk plays and critical red zone and third down conversions were not there and I believe that was due to the personnel in place. Carr can make every throw. Dalton couldn't. Thomas can catch anything thrown his way. No one else could. I sat there watching wide open receivers intermediate and deep while Dalton consistently checked it down on three yard outs and curls. I agree that Carmichael was conservative at times, but he was getting players open quite often that were ignored by Dalton.

03-30-2023, 02:56 PM	#21
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,043	Re: Predict the Saints' Record Year 2023 Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Teams aren't even done building rosters. We haven't even gotten to the draft yet. As I understand it, NFL teams use the draft to build their teams.iirc If I had to guess I'm looking at 10-7 or possibly 11-6. But, it is kind of early to take an educated guess. We've made some good off season moves. So, that's just my uneducated guess. saintsfan1976 likes this.

03-30-2023, 03:08 PM	#22
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,806 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Predict the Saints' Record Year 2023 We've certainly made moves. How good, also yet to be determined. I'm with you though, it feels like the right moves... I'm also extremely curious to see how Sean Payton's moves pan out this season and beyond. Things in New Orleans with him got stale at times and ultimately feels like there was no plan for life after Drew Brees. Rugby Saint II and Boston Saint like this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,044	Re: Predict the Saints' Record Year 2023 Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 We've certainly made moves. How good, also yet to be determined. I'm with you though, it feels like the right moves... I'm also extremely curious to see how Sean Payton's moves pan out this season and beyond. Things in New Orleans with him got stale at times and ultimately feels like there was no plan for life after Drew Brees. Or life after Dan Marino. Or after Peyton Manning. Or after Fran Tarkenton. Or after ... I feel there was a plan after Brees but it was thrown into complete disrepair when COVID shut everything down and Winston got injured.

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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,806 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Predict the Saints' Record Year 2023 Or Joe Montana or Brett Favre or John Elway. Oh wait... each of their successors won a Superbowl.

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Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Predict the Saints' Record Year 2023 Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Or Joe Montana or Brett Favre or John Elway. Oh wait... each of their successors won a Superbowl. In all fairness, I don’t think Elway’s did. Bob Griese took over for a while then Jake Plummer. It took awhile for Payton to bring another title to Denver. Young and Rodgers did though. But your point stands.

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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,806 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Predict the Saints' Record Year 2023 Originally Posted by Boston Saint In all fairness, I don’t think Elway’s did. Bob Griese took over for a while then Jake Plummer. It took awhile for Payton to bring another title to Denver. Young and Rodgers did though. But your point stands. You're right. I just needed a third example. Boston Saint likes this.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,019	Re: Predict the Saints' Record Year 2023 Upgraded chess pieces, same checker players moving them. We have not addressed play calling in any way and it is going to take Carr time to gel with the players and what ever playbook there is. If our record improves over 2022 it’s because other teams slid. Toss up between 9-8 and 8-9 which will be decided by player health. K Major likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,044	Re: Predict the Saints' Record Year 2023 Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 You're right. I just needed a third example. So twice in history that we can think of a great QB was succeeded by another great QB. The norm tends to be more like years, and sometime decades, before an equally worthy replacement is found. Sometimes, in the case of Joe Namath, never. Sorry, but I can't blame Payton for not having Brees v.2.0 in place.

03-31-2023, 08:00 AM	#30
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,044	Re: Predict the Saints' Record Year 2023 Originally Posted by TheOak Upgraded chess pieces, same checker players moving them. We have not addressed play calling in any way and it is going to take Carr time to gel with the players and what ever playbook there is. If our record improves over 2022 it’s because other teams slid. Toss up between 9-8 and 8-9 which will be decided by player health. I believe we have addressed playcalling with the addition of Carr and Michael Thomas alone. Chunk plays and critical red zone and third down conversions were not there and I believe that was due to the personnel in place. Carr can make every throw. Dalton couldn't. Thomas can catch anything thrown his way. No one else could. I sat there watching wide open receivers intermediate and deep while Dalton consistently checked it down on three yard outs and curls. I agree that Carmichael was conservative at times, but he was getting players open quite often that were ignored by Dalton.
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