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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by TheOak Upgraded chess pieces, same checker players moving them. We have not addressed play calling in any way and it is going to take Carr time to gel with the players and what ever playbook there is. ...

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Old 03-31-2023, 09:53 AM   #31
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Originally Posted by TheOak View Post
Upgraded chess pieces, same checker players moving them.

We have not addressed play calling in any way and it is going to take Carr time to gel with the players and what ever playbook there is.

If our record improves over 2022 it’s because other teams slid.

Toss up between 9-8 and 8-9 which will be decided by player health.
Between losing MT early, not having a QB who could stretch the field once JW was injured and a make shift offensive line week to week. Not sure DA and PC had the ability to game plan using the whole playbook. The defense had 8,9 personnel living in the box because they knew the ball wasn’t going past 10 yards downfield except with YAC.

I feel like the Saints have addressed last seasons play calling issue by signing the players that speak directly to what made the play calling look so pedestrian last season. DA and PC were driving an overweight Yugo in morning traffic on the 5 or 405, my daily commute for years.

If the offense stays healthy this season and STILL does not improve significantly then it will be clear and I would that something, someone or multiple someone’s needs to change or be changed.

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Old 03-31-2023, 10:31 AM   #32
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Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat View Post
Between losing MT early, not having a QB who could stretch the field once JW was injured and a make shift offensive line week to week. Not sure DA and PC had the ability to game plan using the whole playbook. The defense had 8,9 personnel living in the box because they knew the ball wasn’t going past 10 yards downfield except with YAC.

I feel like the Saints have addressed last seasons play calling issue by signing the players that speak directly to what made the play calling look so pedestrian last season. DA and PC were driving an overweight Yugo in morning traffic on the 5 or 405, my daily commute for years.

If the offense stays healthy this season and STILL does not improve significantly then it will be clear and I would that something, someone or multiple someone’s needs to change or be changed.

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Ditto this!

Glad I'm not the only one that saw it all this way, WW. I'm also wondering how many times Dalton checked out of the pass on second and long. I remember seeing a stat late in the season that we had run the ball on second and long more times than any other team in the league. If anything, based upon his prior experience, Carmichael was actually too aggressive at times. That really makes me think Dalton was a major factor in that one way or another.
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Old 03-31-2023, 11:50 AM   #33
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Old 03-31-2023, 11:58 AM   #34
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Re: Predict the Saints' Record Year 2023

Predicting a record before the results of the draft and end of free agency is like throwing a dart blindfolded. I will say that If I had to go over/under the 7 wins we had last year Id take over.
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Old 03-31-2023, 02:20 PM   #35
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Something to take into consideration in addition to upgrade at QB and with Thomas, a HUGE upgrade at WR, is the strength of schedule. The Saints had the 7th most difficult projected strength of schedule on 2022 based upon opponents records. In 2023 their strength of schedule projection is the 2nd easiest!

RankTeamOpp. RecordOpp. Win Pct.
1Philadelphia Eagles161-123-40.566
2Miami Dolphins158-127-20.554
3New York Giants157-129-20.549
3New England Patriots156-128-30.549
3Dallas Cowboys156-128-40.549
6New York Jets155-129-30.545
7Buffalo Bills155-131-20.542
8Washington Commanders153-133-20.535
9Los Angeles Rams152-133-30.533
10Las Vegas Raiders150-136-20.524
11Arizona Cardinals148-137-30.519
12Denver Broncos148-138-20.517
12Seattle Seahawks148-138-20.517
12Los Angeles Chargers149-139-00.517
15San Francisco 49ers147-139-20.514
16Kansas City Chiefs147-140-00.512
17Cincinnati Bengals146-140-20.510
18Chicago Bears143-145-10.497
18Minnesota Vikings143-145-00.497
20Detroit Lions143-146-00.495
21Baltimore Ravens138-147-20.484
22Tampa Bay Buccaneers138-148-20.483
23Jacksonville Jaguars135-148-40.477
24Green Bay Packers137-151-10.476
25Pittsburgh Steelers134-151-20.470
26Cleveland Browns131-154-20.460
27Carolina Panthers130-157-20.453
28Tennessee Titans127-157-40.448
29Indianapolis Colts124-162-20.434
30Houston Texans123-163-20.431
31New Orleans Saints122-164-30.427
32Atlanta Falcons119-167-30.417

“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill
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Old 04-01-2023, 02:08 PM   #36
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Predicting a record before the results of the draft and end of free agency is like throwing a dart blindfolded. I will say that If I had to go over/under the 7 wins we had last year Id take over.
I don’t disagree, I based mine on a lack of HC & OC. A draft won’t change that, and I’m not confident they would be able to pull value out of a great draft if they had one.
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Old 04-01-2023, 02:14 PM   #37
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Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat View Post
Between losing MT early, not having a QB who could stretch the field once JW was injured and a make shift offensive line week to week. Not sure DA and PC had the ability to game plan using the whole playbook. The defense had 8,9 personnel living in the box because they knew the ball wasn’t going past 10 yards downfield except with YAC.

I feel like the Saints have addressed last seasons play calling issue by signing the players that speak directly to what made the play calling look so pedestrian last season. DA and PC were driving an overweight Yugo in morning traffic on the 5 or 405, my daily commute for years.

If the offense stays healthy this season and STILL does not improve significantly then it will be clear and I would that something, someone or multiple someone’s needs to change or be changed.

DA had what DA put on the team and field. If his seasons game plan required MT then that’s on him, there is reason to have a back up plan. If his QBs couldn’t stretch the field then that’s what he decided that he wanted.

Dennis Allen tried to execute Sean Payton’s game plan and that’s on him.

I get that you are taking the wait and see approach but brother when you lose your QB and HC it’s time for change that adapts your game to who you have.
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Old 04-01-2023, 04:54 PM   #38
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I don’t disagree, I based mine on a lack of HC & OC. A draft won’t change that, and I’m not confident they would be able to pull value out of a great draft if they had one.
Skepticism is warranted. I still maintain that things out of his control went against him last year. But time will tell! He’s got the QB that he wanted. Has a pretty successful draft under him with three or four solid players added. We do the same this year and I’ll be happy. I just see real chance at adding a game changing TE and DL player this draft. That will help a lot.
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Something to take into consideration in addition to upgrade at QB and with Thomas, a HUGE upgrade at WR, is the strength of schedule. The Saints had the 7th most difficult projected strength of schedule on 2022 based upon opponents records. In 2023 their strength of schedule projection is the 2nd easiest!

RankTeamOpp. RecordOpp. Win Pct.
1Philadelphia Eagles161-123-40.566
2Miami Dolphins158-127-20.554
3New York Giants157-129-20.549
3New England Patriots156-128-30.549
3Dallas Cowboys156-128-40.549
6New York Jets155-129-30.545
7Buffalo Bills155-131-20.542
8Washington Commanders153-133-20.535
9Los Angeles Rams152-133-30.533
10Las Vegas Raiders150-136-20.524
11Arizona Cardinals148-137-30.519
12Denver Broncos148-138-20.517
12Seattle Seahawks148-138-20.517
12Los Angeles Chargers149-139-00.517
15San Francisco 49ers147-139-20.514
16Kansas City Chiefs147-140-00.512
17Cincinnati Bengals146-140-20.510
18Chicago Bears143-145-10.497
18Minnesota Vikings143-145-00.497
20Detroit Lions143-146-00.495
21Baltimore Ravens138-147-20.484
22Tampa Bay Buccaneers138-148-20.483
23Jacksonville Jaguars135-148-40.477
24Green Bay Packers137-151-10.476
25Pittsburgh Steelers134-151-20.470
26Cleveland Browns131-154-20.460
27Carolina Panthers130-157-20.453
28Tennessee Titans127-157-40.448
29Indianapolis Colts124-162-20.434
30Houston Texans123-163-20.431
31New Orleans Saints122-164-30.427
32Atlanta Falcons119-167-30.417
On paper anyway
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Old 04-01-2023, 05:01 PM   #40
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Re: Predict the Saints' Record Year 2023

Precisely.

We looked good “on paper” in 2022. Injuries WILL happen so you better have quality DEPTH. Nothing is “easy” in the NFL.

Players gotta play & coaches gotta coach.
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