Predict the Saints' Record Year 2023

WW_Who_Dat · 03-31-2023, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Upgraded chess pieces, same checker players moving them.

We have not addressed play calling in any way and it is going to take Carr time to gel with the players and what ever playbook there is.

If our record improves over 2022 it’s because other teams slid.

Toss up between 9-8 and 8-9 which will be decided by player health.

Between losing MT early, not having a QB who could stretch the field once JW was injured and a make shift offensive line week to week. Not sure DA and PC had the ability to game plan using the whole playbook. The defense had 8,9 personnel living in the box because they knew the ball wasn’t going past 10 yards downfield except with YAC.

I feel like the Saints have addressed last seasons play calling issue by signing the players that speak directly to what made the play calling look so pedestrian last season. DA and PC were driving an overweight Yugo in morning traffic on the 5 or 405, my daily commute for years.

If the offense stays healthy this season and STILL does not improve significantly then it will be clear and I would that something, someone or multiple someone’s needs to change or be changed.

AsylumGuido · 03-31-2023, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

Between losing MT early, not having a QB who could stretch the field once JW was injured and a make shift offensive line week to week. Not sure DA and PC had the ability to game plan using the whole playbook. The defense had 8,9 personnel living in the box because they knew the ball wasn’t going past 10 yards downfield except with YAC.

I feel like the Saints have addressed last seasons play calling issue by signing the players that speak directly to what made the play calling look so pedestrian last season. DA and PC were driving an overweight Yugo in morning traffic on the 5 or 405, my daily commute for years.

If the offense stays healthy this season and STILL does not improve significantly then it will be clear and I would that something, someone or multiple someone’s needs to change or be changed.

^^^^
Ditto this!

Glad I'm not the only one that saw it all this way, WW. I'm also wondering how many times Dalton checked out of the pass on second and long. I remember seeing a stat late in the season that we had run the ball on second and long more times than any other team in the league. If anything, based upon his prior experience, Carmichael was actually too aggressive at times. That really makes me think Dalton was a major factor in that one way or another.

WhoDat!656 · 03-31-2023, 10:50 AM

12-5

Boston Saint · 03-31-2023, 10:58 AM

Predicting a record before the results of the draft and end of free agency is like throwing a dart blindfolded. I will say that If I had to go over/under the 7 wins we had last year Id take over.

AsylumGuido · 03-31-2023, 01:20 PM

Something to take into consideration in addition to upgrade at QB and with Thomas, a HUGE upgrade at WR, is the strength of schedule. The Saints had the 7th most difficult projected strength of schedule on 2022 based upon opponents records. In 2023 their strength of schedule projection is the 2nd easiest!

Rank	Team	Opp. Record	Opp. Win Pct.
1	Philadelphia Eagles	161-123-4	0.566
2	Miami Dolphins	158-127-2	0.554
3	New York Giants	157-129-2	0.549
3	New England Patriots	156-128-3	0.549
3	Dallas Cowboys	156-128-4	0.549
6	New York Jets	155-129-3	0.545
7	Buffalo Bills	155-131-2	0.542
8	Washington Commanders	153-133-2	0.535
9	Los Angeles Rams	152-133-3	0.533
10	Las Vegas Raiders	150-136-2	0.524
11	Arizona Cardinals	148-137-3	0.519
12	Denver Broncos	148-138-2	0.517
12	Seattle Seahawks	148-138-2	0.517
12	Los Angeles Chargers	149-139-0	0.517
15	San Francisco 49ers	147-139-2	0.514
16	Kansas City Chiefs	147-140-0	0.512
17	Cincinnati Bengals	146-140-2	0.510
18	Chicago Bears	143-145-1	0.497
18	Minnesota Vikings	143-145-0	0.497
20	Detroit Lions	143-146-0	0.495
21	Baltimore Ravens	138-147-2	0.484
22	Tampa Bay Buccaneers	138-148-2	0.483
23	Jacksonville Jaguars	135-148-4	0.477
24	Green Bay Packers	137-151-1	0.476
25	Pittsburgh Steelers	134-151-2	0.470
26	Cleveland Browns	131-154-2	0.460
27	Carolina Panthers	130-157-2	0.453
28	Tennessee Titans	127-157-4	0.448
29	Indianapolis Colts	124-162-2	0.434
30	Houston Texans	123-163-2	0.431
31	New Orleans Saints	122-164-3	0.427
32	Atlanta Falcons	119-167-3	0.417

TheOak · 04-01-2023, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Predicting a record before the results of the draft and end of free agency is like throwing a dart blindfolded. I will say that If I had to go over/under the 7 wins we had last year Id take over.

I don’t disagree, I based mine on a lack of HC & OC. A draft won’t change that, and I’m not confident they would be able to pull value out of a great draft if they had one.

TheOak · 04-01-2023, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

Between losing MT early, not having a QB who could stretch the field once JW was injured and a make shift offensive line week to week. Not sure DA and PC had the ability to game plan using the whole playbook. The defense had 8,9 personnel living in the box because they knew the ball wasn’t going past 10 yards downfield except with YAC.

I feel like the Saints have addressed last seasons play calling issue by signing the players that speak directly to what made the play calling look so pedestrian last season. DA and PC were driving an overweight Yugo in morning traffic on the 5 or 405, my daily commute for years.

If the offense stays healthy this season and STILL does not improve significantly then it will be clear and I would that something, someone or multiple someone’s needs to change or be changed.

DA had what DA put on the team and field. If his seasons game plan required MT then that’s on him, there is reason to have a back up plan. If his QBs couldn’t stretch the field then that’s what he decided that he wanted.

Dennis Allen tried to execute Sean Payton’s game plan and that’s on him.

I get that you are taking the wait and see approach but brother when you lose your QB and HC it’s time for change that adapts your game to who you have.

Boston Saint · 04-01-2023, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I don’t disagree, I based mine on a lack of HC & OC. A draft won’t change that, and I’m not confident they would be able to pull value out of a great draft if they had one.

Skepticism is warranted. I still maintain that things out of his control went against him last year. But time will tell! He’s got the QB that he wanted. Has a pretty successful draft under him with three or four solid players added. We do the same this year and I’ll be happy. I just see real chance at adding a game changing TE and DL player this draft. That will help a lot.

Boston Saint · 04-01-2023, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Something to take into consideration in addition to upgrade at QB and with Thomas, a HUGE upgrade at WR, is the strength of schedule. The Saints had the 7th most difficult projected strength of schedule on 2022 based upon opponents records. In 2023 their strength of schedule projection is the 2nd easiest!

Rank Team Opp. Record Opp. Win Pct.
1 Philadelphia Eagles 161-123-4 0.566
2 Miami Dolphins 158-127-2 0.554
3 New York Giants 157-129-2 0.549
3 New England Patriots 156-128-3 0.549
3 Dallas Cowboys 156-128-4 0.549
6 New York Jets 155-129-3 0.545
7 Buffalo Bills 155-131-2 0.542
8 Washington Commanders 153-133-2 0.535
9 Los Angeles Rams 152-133-3 0.533
10 Las Vegas Raiders 150-136-2 0.524
11 Arizona Cardinals 148-137-3 0.519
12 Denver Broncos 148-138-2 0.517
12 Seattle Seahawks 148-138-2 0.517
12 Los Angeles Chargers 149-139-0 0.517
15 San Francisco 49ers 147-139-2 0.514
16 Kansas City Chiefs 147-140-0 0.512
17 Cincinnati Bengals 146-140-2 0.510
18 Chicago Bears 143-145-1 0.497
18 Minnesota Vikings 143-145-0 0.497
20 Detroit Lions 143-146-0 0.495
21 Baltimore Ravens 138-147-2 0.484
22 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 138-148-2 0.483
23 Jacksonville Jaguars 135-148-4 0.477
24 Green Bay Packers 137-151-1 0.476
25 Pittsburgh Steelers 134-151-2 0.470
26 Cleveland Browns 131-154-2 0.460
27 Carolina Panthers 130-157-2 0.453
28 Tennessee Titans 127-157-4 0.448
29 Indianapolis Colts 124-162-2 0.434
30 Houston Texans 123-163-2 0.431
31 New Orleans Saints 122-164-3 0.427
32 Atlanta Falcons 119-167-3 0.417

On paper anyway

K Major · 04-01-2023, 04:01 PM

Precisely.

We looked good “on paper” in 2022. Injuries WILL happen so you better have quality DEPTH. Nothing is “easy” in the NFL.

Players gotta play & coaches gotta coach.

03-31-2023, 08:53 AM	#31
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,163 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Predict the Saints' Record Year 2023 Originally Posted by TheOak Upgraded chess pieces, same checker players moving them. We have not addressed play calling in any way and it is going to take Carr time to gel with the players and what ever playbook there is. If our record improves over 2022 it’s because other teams slid. Toss up between 9-8 and 8-9 which will be decided by player health. Between losing MT early, not having a QB who could stretch the field once JW was injured and a make shift offensive line week to week. Not sure DA and PC had the ability to game plan using the whole playbook. The defense had 8,9 personnel living in the box because they knew the ball wasn’t going past 10 yards downfield except with YAC. I feel like the Saints have addressed last seasons play calling issue by signing the players that speak directly to what made the play calling look so pedestrian last season. DA and PC were driving an overweight Yugo in morning traffic on the 5 or 405, my daily commute for years. If the offense stays healthy this season and STILL does not improve significantly then it will be clear and I would that something, someone or multiple someone’s needs to change or be changed. AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.

03-31-2023, 09:31 AM	#32
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,391	Re: Predict the Saints' Record Year 2023 Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat Between losing MT early, not having a QB who could stretch the field once JW was injured and a make shift offensive line week to week. Not sure DA and PC had the ability to game plan using the whole playbook. The defense had 8,9 personnel living in the box because they knew the ball wasn’t going past 10 yards downfield except with YAC. I feel like the Saints have addressed last seasons play calling issue by signing the players that speak directly to what made the play calling look so pedestrian last season. DA and PC were driving an overweight Yugo in morning traffic on the 5 or 405, my daily commute for years. If the offense stays healthy this season and STILL does not improve significantly then it will be clear and I would that something, someone or multiple someone’s needs to change or be changed. ^^^^ Ditto this! Glad I'm not the only one that saw it all this way, WW. I'm also wondering how many times Dalton checked out of the pass on second and long. I remember seeing a stat late in the season that we had run the ball on second and long more times than any other team in the league. If anything, based upon his prior experience, Carmichael was actually too aggressive at times. That really makes me think Dalton was a major factor in that one way or another.

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03-31-2023, 10:58 AM	#34
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,868	Re: Predict the Saints' Record Year 2023 Predicting a record before the results of the draft and end of free agency is like throwing a dart blindfolded. I will say that If I had to go over/under the 7 wins we had last year Id take over. SmashMouth, Rugby Saint II, K Major and 1 others like this.

04-01-2023, 01:08 PM	#36
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Re: Predict the Saints' Record Year 2023 Originally Posted by Boston Saint Predicting a record before the results of the draft and end of free agency is like throwing a dart blindfolded. I will say that If I had to go over/under the 7 wins we had last year Id take over. I don’t disagree, I based mine on a lack of HC & OC. A draft won’t change that, and I’m not confident they would be able to pull value out of a great draft if they had one. K Major and Boston Saint like this.

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04-01-2023, 01:14 PM	#37
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Re: Predict the Saints' Record Year 2023 Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat Between losing MT early, not having a QB who could stretch the field once JW was injured and a make shift offensive line week to week. Not sure DA and PC had the ability to game plan using the whole playbook. The defense had 8,9 personnel living in the box because they knew the ball wasn’t going past 10 yards downfield except with YAC. I feel like the Saints have addressed last seasons play calling issue by signing the players that speak directly to what made the play calling look so pedestrian last season. DA and PC were driving an overweight Yugo in morning traffic on the 5 or 405, my daily commute for years. If the offense stays healthy this season and STILL does not improve significantly then it will be clear and I would that something, someone or multiple someone’s needs to change or be changed. DA had what DA put on the team and field. If his seasons game plan required MT then that’s on him, there is reason to have a back up plan. If his QBs couldn’t stretch the field then that’s what he decided that he wanted. Dennis Allen tried to execute Sean Payton’s game plan and that’s on him. I get that you are taking the wait and see approach but brother when you lose your QB and HC it’s time for change that adapts your game to who you have. SmashMouth, Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.

04-01-2023, 03:54 PM	#38
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,868	Re: Predict the Saints' Record Year 2023 Originally Posted by TheOak I don’t disagree, I based mine on a lack of HC & OC. A draft won’t change that, and I’m not confident they would be able to pull value out of a great draft if they had one. Skepticism is warranted. I still maintain that things out of his control went against him last year. But time will tell! He’s got the QB that he wanted. Has a pretty successful draft under him with three or four solid players added. We do the same this year and I’ll be happy. I just see real chance at adding a game changing TE and DL player this draft. That will help a lot.

04-01-2023, 04:01 PM	#40
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,018 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Predict the Saints' Record Year 2023 Precisely. We looked good “on paper” in 2022. Injuries WILL happen so you better have quality DEPTH. Nothing is “easy” in the NFL. Players gotta play & coaches gotta coach.