Derek Carr is going to shock the world

rezburna · 04-04-2023, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

One could argue that the Saints / Saints QBs have been more of a train wreck at the QB position than the Raiders historically.

All the Saints success with quarterbacks was with Drew Brees. Archie Manning wasted away on hopeless teams. Bobby Hebert and his lacklucker offensive cast held back an elite defense and never won a playoff game. Aaron Brooks flashed stats immediately but along with his useless head coach, never developed further. The entire Saints history is a train wreck at QB outside of Drew Brees.

The Raiders won 3 Superbowls with two Quarterbacks, Ken Stabler and Jim Plunket, and had a third quarterback who won a conference championship and NFL MVP, Rich Gannon. In general, quarterbacks have found more success with the Raiders than with the Saints, allowing for only one exception.

The same could be said for head coaches. One Saints head coach has won a playoff game past the wild card level. Two Raiders head coaches have won a total of three Super Bowls and a third has appeared in a Super Bowl.

Maybe Derek Carr will be better than ever. Maybe Dennis Allen will last. But I don't think it will be because the Raiders are some special NFL twilight zone. Outside the Payton/Brees era, the Saints are worse.

Pretty much all of the Raiders success happened 40 years ago. Their glory days and our failures are in the past. I was born in 1990. The Saints have been winning most of my life.

Boston Saint · 04-04-2023, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Pretty much all of the Raiders success happened 40 years ago. Their glory days and our failures are in the past. I was born in 1990. The Saints have been winning most of my life.

My nephew turns 40 this summer. He lived 25 years growing up 20 miles from the Colosseum and has been a Raiders fan all his life. He certainly would say the Saints have been (and are) a superior run franchise. Davis is not highly regarded among fans.

MatthewT · 04-04-2023, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

My nephew turns 40 this summer. He lived 25 years growing up 20 miles from the Colosseum and has been a Raiders fan all his life. He certainly would say the Saints have been (and are) a superior run franchise. Davis is not highly regarded among fans.

Davis seemed to assume that a guy who can run a 4.3 40 would become an elite receiver, or if a guy can throw the ball 100 yards that he would be the next great QB. For all the right draft picks and moves they made in the past, it's very puzzling how in Al Davis' later years they got so bad at it.

04-04-2023, 10:53 AM	#1
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,114	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Originally Posted by BakoSaint One could argue that the Saints / Saints QBs have been more of a train wreck at the QB position than the Raiders historically. All the Saints success with quarterbacks was with Drew Brees. Archie Manning wasted away on hopeless teams. Bobby Hebert and his lacklucker offensive cast held back an elite defense and never won a playoff game. Aaron Brooks flashed stats immediately but along with his useless head coach, never developed further. The entire Saints history is a train wreck at QB outside of Drew Brees. The Raiders won 3 Superbowls with two Quarterbacks, Ken Stabler and Jim Plunket, and had a third quarterback who won a conference championship and NFL MVP, Rich Gannon. In general, quarterbacks have found more success with the Raiders than with the Saints, allowing for only one exception. The same could be said for head coaches. One Saints head coach has won a playoff game past the wild card level. Two Raiders head coaches have won a total of three Super Bowls and a third has appeared in a Super Bowl. Maybe Derek Carr will be better than ever. Maybe Dennis Allen will last. But I don't think it will be because the Raiders are some special NFL twilight zone. Outside the Payton/Brees era, the Saints are worse. Pretty much all of the Raiders success happened 40 years ago. Their glory days and our failures are in the past. I was born in 1990. The Saints have been winning most of my life. AsylumGuido, SmashMouth, Rugby Saint II and 3 others like this.

04-04-2023, 11:32 AM	#2
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Originally Posted by rezburna Pretty much all of the Raiders success happened 40 years ago. Their glory days and our failures are in the past. I was born in 1990. The Saints have been winning most of my life. My nephew turns 40 this summer. He lived 25 years growing up 20 miles from the Colosseum and has been a Raiders fan all his life. He certainly would say the Saints have been (and are) a superior run franchise. Davis is not highly regarded among fans. MatthewT and rezburna like this.

04-04-2023, 12:45 PM	#3
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Originally Posted by Boston Saint My nephew turns 40 this summer. He lived 25 years growing up 20 miles from the Colosseum and has been a Raiders fan all his life. He certainly would say the Saints have been (and are) a superior run franchise. Davis is not highly regarded among fans. Davis seemed to assume that a guy who can run a 4.3 40 would become an elite receiver, or if a guy can throw the ball 100 yards that he would be the next great QB. For all the right draft picks and moves they made in the past, it's very puzzling how in Al Davis' later years they got so bad at it. Boston Saint likes this.