Derek Carr is going to shock the world

BakoSaint · 04-03-2023, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

It’s rare when Oakland HASN’T been tragic. That’s why I don’t necessarily hold DA or Carr’s performance with the Raiders against them.

One could argue that the Saints / Saints QBs have been more of a train wreck at the QB position than the Raiders historically.

All the Saints success with quarterbacks was with Drew Brees. Archie Manning wasted away on hopeless teams. Bobby Hebert and his lacklucker offensive cast held back an elite defense and never won a playoff game. Aaron Brooks flashed stats immediately but along with his useless head coach, never developed further. The entire Saints history is a train wreck at QB outside of Drew Brees.

The Raiders won 3 Superbowls with two Quarterbacks, Ken Stabler and Jim Plunket, and had a third quarterback who won a conference championship and NFL MVP, Rich Gannon. In general, quarterbacks have found more success with the Raiders than with the Saints, allowing for only one exception.

The same could be said for head coaches. One Saints head coach has won a playoff game past the wild card level. Two Raiders head coaches have won a total of three Super Bowls and a third has appeared in a Super Bowl.

Maybe Derek Carr will be better than ever. Maybe Dennis Allen will last. But I don't think it will be because the Raiders are some special NFL twilight zone. Outside the Payton/Brees era, the Saints are worse.

04-03-2023, 09:13 PM	#11
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,415	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Originally Posted by Boston Saint It’s rare when Oakland HASN’T been tragic. That’s why I don’t necessarily hold DA or Carr’s performance with the Raiders against them. One could argue that the Saints / Saints QBs have been more of a train wreck at the QB position than the Raiders historically. All the Saints success with quarterbacks was with Drew Brees. Archie Manning wasted away on hopeless teams. Bobby Hebert and his lacklucker offensive cast held back an elite defense and never won a playoff game. Aaron Brooks flashed stats immediately but along with his useless head coach, never developed further. The entire Saints history is a train wreck at QB outside of Drew Brees. The Raiders won 3 Superbowls with two Quarterbacks, Ken Stabler and Jim Plunket, and had a third quarterback who won a conference championship and NFL MVP, Rich Gannon. In general, quarterbacks have found more success with the Raiders than with the Saints, allowing for only one exception. The same could be said for head coaches. One Saints head coach has won a playoff game past the wild card level. Two Raiders head coaches have won a total of three Super Bowls and a third has appeared in a Super Bowl. Maybe Derek Carr will be better than ever. Maybe Dennis Allen will last. But I don't think it will be because the Raiders are some special NFL twilight zone. Outside the Payton/Brees era, the Saints are worse. MatthewT likes this.
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