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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by BakoSaint I want to question this in terms of numbers. We are about $43 million over the cap for 2024, effectively $53 million over assuming you filled out the roster with minimum salary players. This is not ...
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04-30-2023, 09:19 PM | #41 |
Re: Saints Pick 4.19 - QB Jake Haener
Originally Posted by BakoSaint
Carr will be here as the starter for likely 3 years, maybe 2 , after which ushers in Haener. So the cap shouldn't work out the way you just described. And there's of course the increased cap and other dead monies falling off the books . We'll see just how it pans out, of course .
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04-30-2023, 10:51 PM | #42 |
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04-30-2023, 11:04 PM | #43 |
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Re: Saints Pick 4.19 - QB Jake Haener
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Bako’s obsessive hate for Loomis and his cap management is legionary … frequently overstated or predicting all the worst possible front office, coaching, roster building scenarios at a minimum. |
05-01-2023, 02:09 AM | #44 |
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Re: Saints Pick 4.19 - QB Jake Haener
Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat
What I have is understanding of what Loomis does with the cap. I may not like it, but at least I understand it. Carr’s base salary in 2024 is $30 million. Based on all past precedent, $29 million will be converted to a prorated bonus. The same is true in 2025. So, thats $58 million in a two year period that will be converted to prorated money. About 75% or $43.5 million will end up due in 2026 forward, in addition to $11.5 million of Carr’s original signing bonus that is already proroated to 2026 and beyond. That means Carr will have a dead cap of $55 million if cut before the 2026 season after those expected restructures.
Everyone said Peat and Thomas were both gone this offseason. Instead they were both restructured to avoid much smaller dead cap hits than $55 million. There is zero chance Carr won’t be on the roster in 2026 if Loomis is the GM. Its not hate it reality. Not restructuring a contract that big and taking the cap medicine is not in Loomis’ DNA. We would have to go full rebuild to part with Carr or else go into austerity mode to stop restructuring and take painful cap hits over time and neither is happening under Loomis. We will defer every cap dollar we can which will make the dead cap to cut bigger every year which will lead to a more urgent restructure every year. |
05-01-2023, 03:33 AM | #45 |
Re: Saints Pick 4.19 - QB Jake Haener
Originally Posted by BakoSaint
You're not wrong ... and we'll see how Carr performs.
Jordan Love is set to take over in GB. He's been the backup for a few years. The same situation may happen here with Haener. | |
05-01-2023, 03:46 AM | #46 |
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Re: Saints Pick 4.19 - QB Jake Haener
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido
I have an idea, keep saying the same thing over and over and over in hopes that everyone finally gets it or agrees with you. By now, everyone understands your stance. It is a mistake to think of Hill as a QB and the Saints also have moved on from this idea.
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05-01-2023, 08:44 AM | #47 |
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Re: Saints Pick 4.19 - QB Jake Haener
Personally, I am expecting Derek Carr to be our starting QB for most, if not all, of the next decade. I also expect that over that period of time we will draft four or five more "Haeners" which will collectively fill the vital role of inexpensive QB backup. I would guess that 95% of all QB's acquired outside of the first round of the draft never become fulltime starters in the NFL. Several of those do start a number of games here or there and more go on to have solid careers as backups. But, as we all know, it is still extremely critical that you have quality backup at QB at all times. If Haener develops into something more, then fine. Maybe we can do what New England did trading off their developed backups while sticking with their proven vet for years. It seemed to have worked for them quite well with Cassel, Hoyer, Garoppolo, Brissett, Stidham, and Gabbert.
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05-01-2023, 08:49 AM | #48 |
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Re: Saints Pick 4.19 - QB Jake Haener
How many rookie QB's did Green Bay go through while Aaron Rodgers was the starter? Love is only the last the last of them. How many rookie QB's did Green Bay go through while Brett Favre was the starter? Rodgers was only the last of them. How many rookie QB's will New Orleans go through while Derek Carr is the starter? I don't think Haener will be the last of them.
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05-01-2023, 01:24 PM | #49 |
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Re: Saints Pick 4.19 - QB Jake Haener
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido
Here's 4 that Started For Other Teams (3 Ex Saints)
Matt Hasselbeck Aaron Brooks(Smiling All The While After Each INT!) Mark Brunell Matt Flynn |
05-02-2023, 10:43 PM | #50 |
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