Will Raiders Trade For Jameis Winston?

Boston Saint · 05-31-2023, 11:23 AM

I know a lot of people have their minds made up about Winston and that’s understandable. But consider he is still only 29 and he’s got a great arm that put up a 5,000 yard season. If I were the Raiders or any team I’d take a chance on him over washed up Ryan, Wentz, or a guy like Dalton who never put up a 30+ TD season. I’m glad we signed Car, but I think JW still has a viable place in the NFL.

AsylumGuido · 05-31-2023, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I know a lot of people have their minds made up about Winston and that’s understandable. But consider he is still only 29 and he’s got a great arm that put up a 5,000 yard season. If I were the Raiders or any team I’d take a chance on him over washed up Ryan, Wentz, or a guy like Dalton who never put up a 30+ TD season. I’m glad we signed Car, but I think JW still has a viable place in the NFL.

I agree completely. I think there's a good chance Winston ends up with a QB needy team sometime before the trade deadline. I just don't think the Raiders are that team. The Raiders knew exactly what they were getting with Garoppolo. They were aware that a procedure was needed on that foot. If they were that concerned they would have already made some move. But, injuries happen every season. Someone will lose a starting QB for an extended period. It happens every year. The Saints should be ready to take advantage of that situation with Winston.

Rugby Saint II · 06-04-2023, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I agree completely. I think there's a good chance Winston ends up with a QB needy team sometime before the trade deadline. I just don't think the Raiders are that team. The Raiders knew exactly what they were getting with Garoppolo. They were aware that a procedure was needed on that foot. If they were that concerned they would have already made some move. But, injuries happen every season. Someone will lose a starting QB for an extended period. It happens every year. The Saints should be ready to take advantage of that situation with Winston.

Winston has value to this team. But I'm thinking it's his trade value that will benefit the team most this year. I agree that Carmichael may not know how to game plan for Winston and his tendencies as well as he did with Drew. Last year the team didn't seem confident in Winston and it showed in the play calls. Winston was at his best when Payton was coaching him and making him wear blinders like a race horse while he was micro managed.

Boston Saint · 06-04-2023, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Winston has value to this team. But I'm thinking it's his trade value that will benefit the team most this year. I agree that Carmichael may not know how to game plan for Winston and his tendencies as well as he did with Drew. Last year the team didn't seem confident in Winston and it showed in the play calls. Winston was at his best when Payton was coaching him and making him wear blinders like a race horse while he was micro managed.

Also may never know how much a part his injury played in things.

leilung · 05-29-2023, 03:16 PM

Injuries have been the wildcard for the last several years with our team. I would hold onto Winston until the season is over. Hill and Haener possibly could step in if Carr gets hurt, but I like our chances of hanging in there better with Jameis as QB. Just my take.

voodooido · 05-30-2023, 12:14 AM

I would take anyone over JW. If we can get anything for him I’ll pack for him

hitta · 05-30-2023, 06:31 AM

Carr is the QB we were looking for. He is much better than anyone realizes. This is a guy you can win Super Bowls with and if you put him in the right position will win Super Bowls. Carr has the potential to get a HoF bust imo, just nobody realizes it quite yet cause he's been in football hell for so long. Quite frankly, it's kind of amazing he performed as he did in Oakland/LV considering the situation there. This season will cement him as the guy and we won't be worried about QBs anymore. I'm telling you... Brees 2.0. He's not the same player in terms of what they actually do, but the way we picked him up off the free-agent market is similar. If we send Winston to the Raiders, and we get resources from that, then the Raiders will have officially got fleeced. If Carr gets hurt, I'd prefer to go with Taysom or something; anything but Winston. I don't think Allen and Carmichael are creative enough to win with a QB like Winston(or some other middle-of-the-road QB) like Payton was(this does not mean I don't think that we can win with Allen or Carmichael though). Allen is hyper-logical in how he approaches football, he's definitely not bad. He's just not as good as Payton. Payton just had a wisdom about him that we don't have on our coaching staff anymore. It's like he knew what to do often at the right time. I really miss having that. Allen is more like playing the odds.

MatthewT · 05-30-2023, 07:18 AM

If Winston is dealt, I don't see the Saints getting more than a 7th round pick for him, or maybe a reserve player that has a 50/50 chance at making the roster. If he is dealt, I would imagine the Saints would probably reach out to Chase Daniel or Teddy Bridgewater to fill the primary backup role.

hitta · 05-30-2023, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

If Winston is dealt, I don't see the Saints getting more than a 7th round pick for him, or maybe a reserve player that has a 50/50 chance at making the roster. If he is dealt, I would imagine the Saints would probably reach out to Chase Daniel or Teddy Bridgewater to fill the primary backup role.

I would trust both of those guys as backups before JW. We've hit home runs in the 7th round before. Getting any compensation for him would be great.

saintsfan1976 · 05-30-2023, 08:36 AM

Jameis was 5-2 before his injury.

Don't discount having a solid backup!

05-31-2023, 11:23 AM	#1
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Will Raiders Trade For Jameis Winston? I know a lot of people have their minds made up about Winston and that’s understandable. But consider he is still only 29 and he’s got a great arm that put up a 5,000 yard season. If I were the Raiders or any team I’d take a chance on him over washed up Ryan, Wentz, or a guy like Dalton who never put up a 30+ TD season. I’m glad we signed Car, but I think JW still has a viable place in the NFL. iceshack149, leilung, SmashMouth and 1 others like this.

05-31-2023, 01:56 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,672	Re: Will Raiders Trade For Jameis Winston? Originally Posted by Boston Saint I know a lot of people have their minds made up about Winston and that’s understandable. But consider he is still only 29 and he’s got a great arm that put up a 5,000 yard season. If I were the Raiders or any team I’d take a chance on him over washed up Ryan, Wentz, or a guy like Dalton who never put up a 30+ TD season. I’m glad we signed Car, but I think JW still has a viable place in the NFL. I agree completely. I think there's a good chance Winston ends up with a QB needy team sometime before the trade deadline. I just don't think the Raiders are that team. The Raiders knew exactly what they were getting with Garoppolo. They were aware that a procedure was needed on that foot. If they were that concerned they would have already made some move. But, injuries happen every season. Someone will lose a starting QB for an extended period. It happens every year. The Saints should be ready to take advantage of that situation with Winston. Rugby Saint II likes this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,166	Re: Will Raiders Trade For Jameis Winston? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I agree completely. I think there's a good chance Winston ends up with a QB needy team sometime before the trade deadline. I just don't think the Raiders are that team. The Raiders knew exactly what they were getting with Garoppolo. They were aware that a procedure was needed on that foot. If they were that concerned they would have already made some move. But, injuries happen every season. Someone will lose a starting QB for an extended period. It happens every year. The Saints should be ready to take advantage of that situation with Winston. Winston has value to this team. But I'm thinking it's his trade value that will benefit the team most this year. I agree that Carmichael may not know how to game plan for Winston and his tendencies as well as he did with Drew. Last year the team didn't seem confident in Winston and it showed in the play calls. Winston was at his best when Payton was coaching him and making him wear blinders like a race horse while he was micro managed.

06-04-2023, 01:42 PM	#4
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Will Raiders Trade For Jameis Winston? Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Winston has value to this team. But I'm thinking it's his trade value that will benefit the team most this year. I agree that Carmichael may not know how to game plan for Winston and his tendencies as well as he did with Drew. Last year the team didn't seem confident in Winston and it showed in the play calls. Winston was at his best when Payton was coaching him and making him wear blinders like a race horse while he was micro managed. Also may never know how much a part his injury played in things.

05-29-2023, 03:16 PM	#5
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,428	Re: Will Raiders Trade For Jameis Winston? Injuries have been the wildcard for the last several years with our team. I would hold onto Winston until the season is over. Hill and Haener possibly could step in if Carr gets hurt, but I like our chances of hanging in there better with Jameis as QB. Just my take. jnormand and SmashMouth like this.

05-30-2023, 12:14 AM	#6
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05-30-2023, 06:31 AM	#7
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,339	Re: Will Raiders Trade For Jameis Winston? Carr is the QB we were looking for. He is much better than anyone realizes. This is a guy you can win Super Bowls with and if you put him in the right position will win Super Bowls. Carr has the potential to get a HoF bust imo, just nobody realizes it quite yet cause he's been in football hell for so long. Quite frankly, it's kind of amazing he performed as he did in Oakland/LV considering the situation there. This season will cement him as the guy and we won't be worried about QBs anymore. I'm telling you... Brees 2.0. He's not the same player in terms of what they actually do, but the way we picked him up off the free-agent market is similar. If we send Winston to the Raiders, and we get resources from that, then the Raiders will have officially got fleeced. If Carr gets hurt, I'd prefer to go with Taysom or something; anything but Winston. I don't think Allen and Carmichael are creative enough to win with a QB like Winston(or some other middle-of-the-road QB) like Payton was(this does not mean I don't think that we can win with Allen or Carmichael though). Allen is hyper-logical in how he approaches football, he's definitely not bad. He's just not as good as Payton. Payton just had a wisdom about him that we don't have on our coaching staff anymore. It's like he knew what to do often at the right time. I really miss having that. Allen is more like playing the odds. Thirty3 likes this.
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05-30-2023, 07:18 AM	#8
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05-30-2023, 07:33 AM	#9
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,339	Re: Will Raiders Trade For Jameis Winston? Originally Posted by MatthewT If Winston is dealt, I don't see the Saints getting more than a 7th round pick for him, or maybe a reserve player that has a 50/50 chance at making the roster. If he is dealt, I would imagine the Saints would probably reach out to Chase Daniel or Teddy Bridgewater to fill the primary backup role. I would trust both of those guys as backups before JW. We've hit home runs in the 7th round before. Getting any compensation for him would be great. MatthewT and Thirty3 like this.
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