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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I hope Trevor Penning makes the hall of fame. I think realistically though when you draft a 325lb 6’7 oline and he plays about 2 games worth of snaps his first year while sustaining a torn ligament in one foot ...

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Old 06-22-2023, 12:26 AM   #1
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I hope Trevor Penning makes the hall of fame. I think realistically though when you draft a 325lb 6’7 oline and he plays about 2 games worth of snaps his first year while sustaining a torn ligament in one foot and a lisfranc injury in the other foot, its more likely than not that he will never stay healthy. My impression is that in big guys, foot problems are hard to shake, and this is a big guy who had problems instantly in both feet, under the care of the worst medical team in the history of professional sports. Probably he will have issues in one foot and the Saints doctors will amputate the other one. Anything we get out of Penning is a bonus but if the draft was redrafted today he is a third day pick.

Most of Andrus Peat’s career has been 12 games of average replacement level play. Average would be ok if missing games and causing instability was not his superpower. Getting older won’t help. Peat would be best cut or utilized as a flexible backup so he is not causing musical chairs on the oline.

The Saints could easily find enough first rounds busts to make their entire oline 1st round picks. It would not matter. It does not matter where a player is drafted it matters how good they are today. The Saints Super bowl oline was young and made up of many mid round picks who were durable. Our oline now is made up of 1st rounders many of whom we pencil in based on the sunk cost fallacy. If we had an Andrus Peat then and that made us ignore the Guard position in mid rounds we would not have got a ring. I am glad we took one guard in the mid rounds this year and i hope he beats out Peat. But I think any oline on the roster may beat out Peat as aging takes its toll. The only reason Peat is on an NFL roster at all is to delay the dead cap hit we face when he isn’t. A mediocre player who cannot ever average more than 12 games a season and is past his prime is not worth a roster spot in the NFL.
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Old 06-22-2023, 07:32 AM   #2
 
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I hope Trevor Penning makes the hall of fame. I think realistically though when you draft a 325lb 6’7 oline and he plays about 2 games worth of snaps his first year while sustaining a torn ligament in one foot and a lisfranc injury in the other foot, its more likely than not that he will never stay healthy. My impression is that in big guys, foot problems are hard to shake, and this is a big guy who had problems instantly in both feet, under the care of the worst medical team in the history of professional sports. Probably he will have issues in one foot and the Saints doctors will amputate the other one. Anything we get out of Penning is a bonus but if the draft was redrafted today he is a third day pick.

Most of Andrus Peat’s career has been 12 games of average replacement level play. Average would be ok if missing games and causing instability was not his superpower. Getting older won’t help. Peat would be best cut or utilized as a flexible backup so he is not causing musical chairs on the oline.

The Saints could easily find enough first rounds busts to make their entire oline 1st round picks. It would not matter. It does not matter where a player is drafted it matters how good they are today. The Saints Super bowl oline was young and made up of many mid round picks who were durable. Our oline now is made up of 1st rounders many of whom we pencil in based on the sunk cost fallacy. If we had an Andrus Peat then and that made us ignore the Guard position in mid rounds we would not have got a ring. I am glad we took one guard in the mid rounds this year and i hope he beats out Peat. But I think any oline on the roster may beat out Peat as aging takes its toll. The only reason Peat is on an NFL roster at all is to delay the dead cap hit we face when he isn’t. A mediocre player who cannot ever average more than 12 games a season and is past his prime is not worth a roster spot in the NFL.
Popeyes Sammich Peat should never have been resigned on his latest contract. I think that's why he let it be restructured with a pay cut this year.
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Old 06-22-2023, 09:42 AM   #3
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Popeyes Sammich Peat should never have been resigned on his latest contract. I think that's why he let it be restructured with a pay cut this year.
Thats part of why. I am sure there were no other bidders knocking down the door. But also by agreeing to take like $5 million salary to push back $10 million of cap hit, Peat can keep putting the Saints in a similar position year after year. The contracts will always be restructured and it will always be cheaper to keep Peat 1 more year than to eat the dead cap to move on. So its a really good racket. Peat gets to collect $5 million a year forever, well past his playing days, as loan shark level interest on a $20 million loan to the Saints salary cap. Michael Thomas is playing this game too. Kamara will likely collect more years of pay than Frank Gore. Taysom Hill may have to learn placekicking to hold a roster spot in his 40's to help Loomis delay his dead cap hit.
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Old 06-23-2023, 09:22 AM   #4
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Thats part of why. I am sure there were no other bidders knocking down the door. But also by agreeing to take like $5 million salary to push back $10 million of cap hit, Peat can keep putting the Saints in a similar position year after year. The contracts will always be restructured and it will always be cheaper to keep Peat 1 more year than to eat the dead cap to move on. So its a really good racket. Peat gets to collect $5 million a year forever, well past his playing days, as loan shark level interest on a $20 million loan to the Saints salary cap. Michael Thomas is playing this game too. Kamara will likely collect more years of pay than Frank Gore. Taysom Hill may have to learn placekicking to hold a roster spot in his 40's to help Loomis delay his dead cap hit.
There were very few choices when we re-signed Peat. The pickings were slim to none....and we chose none(Peat).
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I hope Trevor Penning makes the hall of fame.
I seriously doubt this. You enjoy the negativity too much.

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...this is a big guy who had problems instantly in both feet...
He didn't instantly have foot problems. He had no issues in college starting all games his final two seasons. By all accounts he was doing well in camp and preseason until he was hit by his own teammate in the lower leg on what was basically a crack-back block.

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...under the care of the worst medical team in the history of professional sports.
An example of the negativity you enjoy so much and a BS statement.

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Probably he will have issues in one foot and the Saints doctors will amputate the other one.
Yeah, no bias there!
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