Special Teams battles

Rugby Saint II · 07-01-2023, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

"Tie goes to the experienced vet". That's a flawed point of view, especially if the younger guy is cheaper. Especially if the vet is in a three year downturn

Not necessarily Boston. It may come down to who makes the longest kicks consistently. It may be who is best at PAT's or maybe who is the most consistent. My point is whoever is the best kicker wins. If it's a tie then I think the tie goes to the vet. Didn't Lutz take a pay cut? If so, then cost isn't really a factor but trust is still important.

K Major · 08-03-2023, 10:22 AM

Bump ...

Good topic here Boston.

Since the Saints just lost Dowell (IR/knee), it leaves the door open for Baun and Jackson as our #3&4. I'd give DD & Pete W more "vet" days off at camp

. 17 games + the possible postseason is a grind.

Guys on the outside looking in on S/T include Anderson & Connelly.

It appears Zach Baun's ceiling is special teams

.

K Major · 08-03-2023, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by papz

Jacksonville announced they were waiving Patterson then traded him back to Detroit. Had he hit the waiver wire, I would have put in a claim. When he got pulled back, I also would have made an offer for him as well.

We waived was a typo. Was waived was meant there. It’s impossible to waive someone not on our roster no? I’ll make sure I proofread my post so you don’t get easily confused in the future. Whether you heard of him or not, doesn’t dispel the fact he had a better season than Lutz and would have cost practically nothing to acquire. And truthfully, I don’t care if you know who he is. Your knowledge of him doesn’t make him any more or lesser of a player. My opinion does not need your stamp of approval.

I’m not sure what fantasy football has to do with this. That’s quite the tangent. I neither play nor discuss fantasy football with anyone on this board. Would it make you feel better if we talked about a different kicker that you actually know about? I mean we can… it didn’t have to be Riley Patterson. The point of the matter is we need someone here to push Lutz after his poor season. It just so happens Riley was a good kicker who was available earlier in the off-season that I was interested in when he was out on the market.

+1.

Solid post.

Rugby Saint II · 08-03-2023, 12:33 PM

Will Lutz isn't giving up his job without a fight. Right now Lutz and Grupe are tied with only on miss in practice. Lutz has been money and my guess is Lutz will win the competition, and Grupe will wind up show casing his skills and probably making it on another team. Our punter is nailing coffin kicks again and we still have Shaheed giving us electric returns. I don't see special teams as a weakness this year unlike the last couple of years.

Boston Saint · 08-30-2023, 01:30 PM

Dang, I called this on both kicker and punter !

Rugby Saint II · 08-30-2023, 01:36 PM

We've got a minor kicking for us and an Aussie rugby player punting. We will sure look different getting off the bus now.

K Major · 08-30-2023, 02:12 PM

Boston called it months ago.

See post #10.

But man, rookie kickers scare me.

Boston Saint · 08-30-2023, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Boston called it months ago.

See post #10.

But man, rookie kickers scare me.

Every Saints kicker since Mort Anderson has scared me !

Boston Saint · 08-30-2023, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Boston called it months ago.

See post #10.

But man, rookie kickers scare me.

Every Saints kicker since Mort Andersen has scared me !

Boston Saint · 08-30-2023, 02:21 PM

Looking at it in retrospect, it totally makes sense. After Groupe hit that game winner in preseason, you could see the way the team rallied around him. It’s just another step in DA making it his team and not a remnant of Peyton’s team.

07-01-2023, 12:01 PM	#21
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,739	Re: Special Teams battles Originally Posted by Boston Saint "Tie goes to the experienced vet". That's a flawed point of view, especially if the younger guy is cheaper. Especially if the vet is in a three year downturn Not necessarily Boston. It may come down to who makes the longest kicks consistently. It may be who is best at PAT's or maybe who is the most consistent. My point is whoever is the best kicker wins. If it's a tie then I think the tie goes to the vet. Didn't Lutz take a pay cut? If so, then cost isn't really a factor but trust is still important.

08-03-2023, 10:22 AM	#22
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,053 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Special Teams battles Bump ... Good topic here Boston. Since the Saints just lost Dowell (IR/knee), it leaves the door open for Baun and Jackson as our #3&4. I'd give DD & Pete W more "vet" days off at camp . 17 games + the possible postseason is a grind. Guys on the outside looking in on S/T include Anderson & Connelly. It appears Zach Baun's ceiling is special teams . Boston Saint likes this.

08-03-2023, 10:31 AM	#23
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,053 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Special Teams battles Originally Posted by papz Jacksonville announced they were waiving Patterson then traded him back to Detroit. Had he hit the waiver wire, I would have put in a claim. When he got pulled back, I also would have made an offer for him as well. We waived was a typo. Was waived was meant there. It’s impossible to waive someone not on our roster no? I’ll make sure I proofread my post so you don’t get easily confused in the future. Whether you heard of him or not, doesn’t dispel the fact he had a better season than Lutz and would have cost practically nothing to acquire. And truthfully, I don’t care if you know who he is. Your knowledge of him doesn’t make him any more or lesser of a player. My opinion does not need your stamp of approval. I’m not sure what fantasy football has to do with this. That’s quite the tangent. I neither play nor discuss fantasy football with anyone on this board. Would it make you feel better if we talked about a different kicker that you actually know about? I mean we can… it didn’t have to be Riley Patterson. The point of the matter is we need someone here to push Lutz after his poor season. It just so happens Riley was a good kicker who was available earlier in the off-season that I was interested in when he was out on the market. +1. Solid post.

08-03-2023, 12:33 PM	#24
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,739	Re: Special Teams battles Will Lutz isn't giving up his job without a fight. Right now Lutz and Grupe are tied with only on miss in practice. Lutz has been money and my guess is Lutz will win the competition, and Grupe will wind up show casing his skills and probably making it on another team. Our punter is nailing coffin kicks again and we still have Shaheed giving us electric returns. I don't see special teams as a weakness this year unlike the last couple of years.

08-30-2023, 01:30 PM	#25
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,874	Re: Special Teams battles Dang, I called this on both kicker and punter ! Rugby Saint II likes this.

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08-30-2023, 01:36 PM	#26
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,739	Re: Special Teams battles We've got a minor kicking for us and an Aussie rugby player punting. We will sure look different getting off the bus now. Boston Saint likes this.

08-30-2023, 02:12 PM	#27
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,053 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Special Teams battles Boston called it months ago. See post #10. But man, rookie kickers scare me. Boston Saint likes this.

08-30-2023, 02:15 PM	#28
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,874	Re: Special Teams battles Originally Posted by K Major Boston called it months ago. See post #10. But man, rookie kickers scare me. Every Saints kicker since Mort Anderson has scared me !

08-30-2023, 02:16 PM	#29
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,874	Re: Special Teams battles Originally Posted by K Major Boston called it months ago. See post #10. But man, rookie kickers scare me. Every Saints kicker since Mort Andersen has scared me ! K Major likes this.

08-30-2023, 02:21 PM	#30
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,874	Re: Special Teams battles Looking at it in retrospect, it totally makes sense. After Groupe hit that game winner in preseason, you could see the way the team rallied around him. It’s just another step in DA making it his team and not a remnant of Peyton’s team. WW_Who_Dat and K Major like this.