Special Teams battles

Boston Saint · 06-28-2023, 10:39 AM

Along with injuries, questionable ref calls, and coaching issues, general poor play by some players contributed to last year's 10 loss season. I think both Gillikin and Lutz underperformed last year for example. I've not looked at cap numbers, but how does everyone feel about their chances of rebounding with good years vs losing their jobs to new guys like this Australian football player guy Hedley?

AsylumGuido · 06-28-2023, 11:03 AM

Underhill and Triplett discussed this very topic about a week ago. Their take was that Lutz' injury contributed to his difficulties early (5 of his season total of 8 missed). One of those misses was from 62 yards and he hit the upright and still almost made it. He was 33 for 33 on extra points. They both said it is his job to lose and so far he doesn't look like he'll lose it.

Gillikin, according to them, has a real battle. After a great rookie season he was only average in year two. They said Hedley is actually more like the veteran at 29 years old. I wouldn't mind seeing him get the job. He'd be interesting.

Boston Saint · 06-28-2023, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Underhill and Triplett discussed this very topic about a week ago. Their take was that Lutz' injury contributed to his difficulties early (5 of his season total of 8 missed). One of those misses was from 62 yards and he hit the upright and still almost made it. He was 33 for 33 on extra points. They both said it is his job to lose and so far he doesn't look like he'll lose it.

Gillikin, according to them, has a real battle. After a great rookie season he was only average in year two. They said Hedley is actually more like the veteran at 29 years old. I wouldn't mind seeing him get the job. He'd be interesting.

Quevedo is the other kicker in camp?

AsylumGuido · 06-28-2023, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Quevedo is the other kicker in camp?

No. Blake Grupe.

Played for Arkansas State and then played his final season with Notre Dame. Went 14-19 on FG's and 49-49 on the shorter college XP's last year. Sounds like a camp leg.

Boston Saint · 06-28-2023, 11:32 AM

I'm kinda hoping we can move on from Lutz

papz · 06-28-2023, 02:05 PM

I was hoping we would make a move for Riley Patterson when Jacksonville decided to move on from him. I still believe Lutz can get the job done but he should be on a short leash.

AsylumGuido · 06-28-2023, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by papz

I was hoping we would make a move for Riley Patterson when Jacksonville decided to move on from him. I still believe Lutz can get the job done but he should be on a short leash.

That's pretty random. Why Riley Patterson? I'd honestly never heard of him. Had to look him up.

Rugby Saint II · 06-29-2023, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I'm kinda hoping we can move on from Lutz

How come you want to move on from Lutz? He did take a pay cut if I remember correctly. Personally, I'd like to see Lutz kicking with the same consistency that he had before his injury. If not, he's got serious competition, so we should be alright.

AsylumGuido · 06-29-2023, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

How come you want to move on from Lutz? He did take a pay cut if I remember correctly. Personally, I'd like to see Lutz kicking with the same consistency that he had before his injury. If not, he's got serious competition, so we should be alright.

Not sure who that serious competition actually is. Grupe isn't anything special.

Boston Saint · 06-29-2023, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

How come you want to move on from Lutz? He did take a pay cut if I remember correctly. Personally, I'd like to see Lutz kicking with the same consistency that he had before his injury. If not, he's got serious competition, so we should be alright.

Nothing against Lutz. Just that if he is outperformed this preseason we'd by definition have a better kicker. Also just feels like a new kicker would be a symbolic new start for the team under Allen rather than a Payton hold over. But I'm probably reading too much into it

06-28-2023, 10:39 AM	#1
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,874	Special Teams battles Along with injuries, questionable ref calls, and coaching issues, general poor play by some players contributed to last year's 10 loss season. I think both Gillikin and Lutz underperformed last year for example. I've not looked at cap numbers, but how does everyone feel about their chances of rebounding with good years vs losing their jobs to new guys like this Australian football player guy Hedley? K Major likes this.

06-28-2023, 11:03 AM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Special Teams battles Underhill and Triplett discussed this very topic about a week ago. Their take was that Lutz' injury contributed to his difficulties early (5 of his season total of 8 missed). One of those misses was from 62 yards and he hit the upright and still almost made it. He was 33 for 33 on extra points. They both said it is his job to lose and so far he doesn't look like he'll lose it. Gillikin, according to them, has a real battle. After a great rookie season he was only average in year two. They said Hedley is actually more like the veteran at 29 years old. I wouldn't mind seeing him get the job. He'd be interesting.
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06-28-2023, 11:05 AM	#3
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,874	Re: Special Teams battles Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Underhill and Triplett discussed this very topic about a week ago. Their take was that Lutz' injury contributed to his difficulties early (5 of his season total of 8 missed). One of those misses was from 62 yards and he hit the upright and still almost made it. He was 33 for 33 on extra points. They both said it is his job to lose and so far he doesn't look like he'll lose it. Gillikin, according to them, has a real battle. After a great rookie season he was only average in year two. They said Hedley is actually more like the veteran at 29 years old. I wouldn't mind seeing him get the job. He'd be interesting. Quevedo is the other kicker in camp?

06-28-2023, 11:09 AM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Special Teams battles Originally Posted by Boston Saint Quevedo is the other kicker in camp? No. Blake Grupe. Played for Arkansas State and then played his final season with Notre Dame. Went 14-19 on FG's and 49-49 on the shorter college XP's last year. Sounds like a camp leg. SmashMouth likes this.

06-28-2023, 11:32 AM	#5
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,874	Re: Special Teams battles I'm kinda hoping we can move on from Lutz

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06-28-2023, 02:05 PM	#6
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,688	Re: Special Teams battles I was hoping we would make a move for Riley Patterson when Jacksonville decided to move on from him. I still believe Lutz can get the job done but he should be on a short leash. SmashMouth and Rugby Saint II like this.

06-28-2023, 03:52 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Special Teams battles Originally Posted by papz I was hoping we would make a move for Riley Patterson when Jacksonville decided to move on from him. I still believe Lutz can get the job done but he should be on a short leash. That's pretty random. Why Riley Patterson? I'd honestly never heard of him. Had to look him up.

06-29-2023, 10:07 AM	#8
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,739	Re: Special Teams battles Originally Posted by Boston Saint I'm kinda hoping we can move on from Lutz How come you want to move on from Lutz? He did take a pay cut if I remember correctly. Personally, I'd like to see Lutz kicking with the same consistency that he had before his injury. If not, he's got serious competition, so we should be alright.

06-29-2023, 11:05 AM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Special Teams battles Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II How come you want to move on from Lutz? He did take a pay cut if I remember correctly. Personally, I'd like to see Lutz kicking with the same consistency that he had before his injury. If not, he's got serious competition, so we should be alright. Not sure who that serious competition actually is. Grupe isn't anything special.

06-29-2023, 11:17 AM	#10
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,874	Re: Special Teams battles Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II How come you want to move on from Lutz? He did take a pay cut if I remember correctly. Personally, I'd like to see Lutz kicking with the same consistency that he had before his injury. If not, he's got serious competition, so we should be alright. Nothing against Lutz. Just that if he is outperformed this preseason we'd by definition have a better kicker. Also just feels like a new kicker would be a symbolic new start for the team under Allen rather than a Payton hold over. But I'm probably reading too much into it