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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by BakoSaint I believe the worse Thomas does this year, or the more he is injured, the more likely he is back in 2024. In the unlikely event that he returns to 2019 form there would be a ...
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Re: Proposed Trade Reunites Raiders’ $140 Million Star With Derek Carr on Saints
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I do not want to give him contract and then move the money to the future. Putting more money in an older/ often injured player may not be the best use of our limited cap money. If he wants to bet on himself with an incentive laden contract then great! If not then let someone else bet on him! He's tied into an affordable contract this year and I want to see him win the come back player of the year. It may not be a popular opinion, but I don't think that the Saints would sign him back to another contract, no matter how well he plays. Of course, they would offer him another incentive laden contract and of course, he would probably turn it down to sign for top dollar elsewhere. I don't blame him. I would too. Face it. He's coming off three years riddled with injury. He played well again last year before getting hurt and he's 30 now I believe. His best days are probably behind him and no one can call him reliable. I like him and I want him to have another pro bowl season, but I'm not guaranteeing him a lot of money again if I'm Mickey Loomis. |
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Re: Proposed Trade Reunites Raiders’ $140 Million Star With Derek Carr on Saints
I'd take him for a 6th rounder if he would play for the league minimum. Otherwise its a pass for me.
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Re: Proposed Trade Reunites Raiders’ $140 Million Star With Derek Carr on Saints
Not sure the origin of this Fanatsy League trade rumor. Can only speculate but The Raiders probably want to move Adam’s contract for multiple reasons one of which is they don’t have a true starting NFL QB or from the look of last season an offensive that can utilize their talent. The Raiders have not had a great reputation for their ownership, front office and roster construction for some time.
Add to this McDaniels previous and current history as a head coach and aborted attempts does not instill confidence. I think it’s fair to look at the ecosystem that McDaniels has had success in, Kraft, Belichick and Brady. Was the Patriots Offensive system in place a McDaniels design or Belichick? Was it over time a system that heavily influence not only by Brady’s skill set but by Brady’s actual collaborative input with and signed off by Belichick? McDaniels being the guy calling plays determined week to week primarily by Brady and Belichick. There has never been any facet of the Patriots operations and game planning that does not run thru Belichick end of story. The Raiders dysfunction last year was obvious and just what went on behind the scenes has only partially come to light. As usual the Raider defense abysmal, ranked 31 out of 32. On the offensive side of the ball in overall statistics ranked 27th overall. After Carr was benched the offense performance was 0 for 2. Some of the Raiders offensive issues probably stem from have to mentally play from the position knowing your defense will not help the offense in any way. Where the Raiders offense and defense rankings ended the season last year to me falls in large part on the coaching staff. Mark Davis and the team are cash poor, have dysfunctional leadership and an ongoing question mark on competency in the their coaching staff. There are those that do not like the manner that the Saints front office constructs their roster and manage contracts. But I think The Benson family ownership, financial stability, the front office personnel and performance has been measured, consistent and successful by any reasonable standard. We will never be media darlings, ranked objectively by the national media or by in game commentators. Often praising and making up reasons why teams we are beating, badly at times, by inference are the better team. That will not change and I could give 2 sh**ts less about their opinions. |
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Re: Proposed Trade Reunites Raiders’ $140 Million Star With Derek Carr on Saints
Originally Posted by Boston Saint
A bunch of young guys means olave a 1st round pick who nearly won rookie of the year and shaheed who who led the nfl in yards per target among receivers with at least 400 yards by a wide margin once he started to be utilized last year. Its possible that we could have one of the best 1-2 receiver duos in the nfl without Thomas.![]()
I don’t see any reason Shaheed could not be the next antonio brown. He is bigger, faster, also went to a small school, also was projected as a late round pick or undrafted free agent, had far more yards as a rookie, far more yards per catch as a rookie than any season of browns career, did it with an inferior qb, and had a similar very high catch rate as a rookie. Shaheed could be a mirage or could turn into a role player but he might also turn out to be very elite, and the stats so far indicate thats totally possible. |
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Re: Proposed Trade Reunites Raiders’ $140 Million Star With Derek Carr on Saints
Originally Posted by BakoSaint
Certainly could happen. They also could hit sophomore slumps and struggle with a new QB. Without Thomas, saying it’s Edwards and a bunch of young guys is still an accurate statement.
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Re: Proposed Trade Reunites Raiders’ $140 Million Star With Derek Carr on Saints
I think Thomas is more likely to have 0 yards and less likely to have 500, 1000, or 1500 yards than Olave or Shaheed. So I think starting with Thomas’ availability is flawed. With Thomas, all we add is an extremely unreliable #3 option who could go down at any minute and has 3 years of rust. It would be like saying without a megatron comeback the Lions receiving core is just a bunch of young guys. If megatron actually came back, the young guys would start over him until he got benched or hurt. Without Thomas, which we almost certainly will be and probably are better off without, we still have a stronger receiving core than the defending super bowl champs.
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Re: Proposed Trade Reunites Raiders’ $140 Million Star With Derek Carr on Saints
Originally Posted by Boston Saint
I feel better about them than you do. If Edwards replaces Thomas due to injury it is still an upgrade to what we've had the last few years. Most people expect Thomas to miss substantial playing time, and if he can play ten games then I consider that to be lagniappe. ![]()
Apparently, I'm of the few people who expect Edwards to breakout this season with his old QB DC4. Olave was already our number one receiver most of last season and looked great at OTA's this year. Shaheed just needed to get healed, learn the play book, and be coached up a little. He was then elevated from the practice squad and was an immediate impact player while scoring touchdowns. He looks even more polished and, like Olave, he put on five pounds of muscle this offseason. And if we can finally move on from 3Q's fantastic blocking but poor production then we've upgraded. AT Perry and Shaq Davis both have a good shot at the roster because they are very good athletes. It will probably come down to who plays special teams. Those last few spots need to make their way on the roster via special teams. |
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