wcassady

I\'m not going to get caught up in a \"Is Brooks worth the money\" argument again because I\'ve stated my case and only the season will prove me right or wrong. But if I were you Saintz08, I would stop using preseason numbers to base your arguments on. Everyone knows that preseason stats mean absolutely nothing as it is a time for experimentation and looking at the backups. Here\'s some other preseason QB ratings:

Brett Favre - 72.8
Donavan McNabb - 75.3
Peyton Manning - 49.8
Brian Griese - 62.9

Now are you telling me that you wouldn\'t want any of the above on your team?

Here\'s some more numbers:

Doug Pederson (Favre\'s backup) - 103.9
Danny Wuerffel - 117.4
Tim Hasselback (McNabb\'s backup) - 104.4
Brock Huard (Manning\'s backup) - 107.6
Kelly Holcomb (Couch\'s backup) - 122.5

Now are you telling me that you would want any of the above guys as your starter?

saintfan

I couldn\'t have said it better myself. In fact, I didn\'t! Great Post!

saintz08

I thought that closer might get you into this Cassady and I thank you for the help .

75.3 Mc Nabb
72.8 Favre
49.8 Manning

These numbers are correct as current preseason stats and from a quick look these would not appear to be great quarterbacks or leaders . It is about as easy to judge a quarterback on preseason stats as it is to judge him on potential .

Brooks is not a quarterback who has ever lead a team to a national championship , or broken the all time NCAA passing yardage totals or even put up the rating that the mentioned quarterbacks have .

94.1 Favre
84.3 Mc Nabb
84.1 Manning
95.5 Gannon
94.8 Garcia

But Brooks wants to be paid like one . What Brooks is , is a once low draft pick turned 3rd string pine rider , who was traded to the New Orleans Saints .Where he finally inherited the job due to an injury to the starting quarterback . He has been the starter for 1 1/2 seasons , where he won 1 playoff game that can be argued as much a win for him as it was for the defense and posted a 7-9 season the following year , with a quarterback rating of 76.4 .

When judging potential do you base it on the 1/2 season or the full season ?

Consider this :

For a quarterback to be paid as a top 10 player or even considered as one , he should be able to take an offense with as many number 1 picks , 1000 yd receivers and pro bowl players on it as they had and post a better rating than 76.4 .


[Edited on 24/8/2002 by saintz08]

\"Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn\'t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.\" - George S. Patton
On another note, I\'ll take a bite of that crow 08. - Saintfan
Brooks is a moron!! - Halo

wcassady

I was actually just checking to see how long it would take you to try to get the last word in.

saintz08

It\'s funny , but I hate writing 2 pages on a single post . So I bring up some points take a break and wait for the counters to come up later to post .

Although that is not half as funny as those that assume that a poster with a Saints name , posting on a Saints site would not cheer the quarterback on in a play off game .

What I am not interested in is seeing the Saints turn into the Jacksonville Jaguars with all the eggs in one basket on an unproven player .

Saint2

Hey abrooksbomb, more like he is a bomb unless he starts improving I wouldn\'t give him another cent till his contract ends and shows he diserves more money.Heck he should have asked for more money at the beginning of last season. He would have had more leverage.
Lets start counting on tonights miscues, missed two bombs (one underthrown,one overthrown)numberous miscues,missed a wide open td to the fullback before Deuses td before the half :casstet: . Throwing off his back foot waiting too long to move around out of the pocket. Heck I think Jake D. could move this offense. Thank god for the Duece and we don\'t have Ricky W. to run into blockers when the holes not there.

Oh Yea! One more thing,
Thank God for the defense. While Brooks was trying to find himself, the DEFENSE was stuffing the Bengals & Dillon on the goal line and holding them to 9 points. Otherwise they may have lost the game.

[Edited on 25/8/2002 by Saint2]

[Edited on 25/8/2002 by Saint2]

saintz08

Saint2 , consider this .

The west coast offense is harder for a quarterback to run , and I do not think Brooks is the type of quarterback to run it . He gets lost in the reads and check off\'s and needs a larger separation to hit a receiver . Brooks is talented and has a strong arm but he may lack the ability to run the west coast offense . Brooks would do much better in a power I formation offense . When Ricky was the featured star it was almost set up that way and Brooks did do a good job at the position , but as Mc Carthy started shifting the offense away from a power running attack , Brooks started to slip . Brooks relys on his arm strength to deliver the pass , he can hit the post route fairly well but the streaking receiver he has trouble with . Consider Garcia , no great arm strength but is fairly accurate and can run the offense . Delhomme might be the better quarterback to run the offense , once again fairly accurate and not great arm strength . Mc Carthy continues to add plays designed to have the quarterback mobile , if you think about it that makes the safety freeze and come up for run support . Brooks passes alot like a pitcher , pitches straight and to the plate . Touch passes give him trouble , which is the strong point of a west coast quarterback ...

\"Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn\'t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.\" - George S. Patton
On another note, I\'ll take a bite of that crow 08. - Saintfan
Brooks is a moron!! - Halo

saintz08

This all should get very interesting now . Tom Brady\'s contract extension is rumored to be in the 5 million per season range . So figuring 4 years at 5 million and you get 20 million and add signing bonus . There goes Brooks leverage to get him that 6 year 40+ million contract . That\'s gotta hurt .

I can see it now , Brooks saying it\'s unfair to compare me to him all Brady has done is win the Super Bowl .

saintz08

Contract for Brady is :

4 years 28 million
Signing bonus 10 million - 4 now and 6 optioned in 2003 .

So basically the signing bonus gets him up to 5 million this year on his current salary .

Great contract for a man that unseated Bledsoe and won the Super Bowl .

subguy

Could it be he will perform if given more money....hmm...that would mean he wasn\'t playing at his full potential. Money won\'t change the guy, he can and will be a good quarterback as soon as the saints let him go. Then he will sign with someone in our division and we will rue the day we let this guy go. He makes some bad errors, although
he never played at G.B. he will continue to grow as a quarterback. My hope is that his personal maturity level is what grows. Stop whining Aaron, Saints give him a little more dough and hinge performance incentives on him making even more dough. No performance, cut losses......but he is much better than a Kordell Stewart who has been wasting a QB space in the NFL for many years now.

[Edited on 30/8/2002 by subguy]

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