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AsylumGuido 08-14-2023 11:46 AM

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Looks like it's nothing major with Kendre Miller and he should be back for the season opener. We can still use a camp body at RB for the final two games, however.


dizzle88 08-14-2023 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 977308)
Looks like it's nothing major with Kendre Miller and he should be back for the season opener. We can still use a camp body at RB for the final two games, however.

https://twitter.com/TheSaintsWire/st...16270073032705

I said to my wife that the way they kept attempting to run him up the gut, only for a lineman to whiff a block every time would end up getting him injured.

Rugby Saint II 08-14-2023 12:27 PM

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I don't know about ya'll but I'm feeling pretty good today! :bng:

blackangold 08-14-2023 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 977279)
Winston was money. I’m sure there’s a few “we need to make Winston Qb1” threads as if there’s a controversy. FB will be full of the same calling anyone who disagrees racist.

We seriously lack depth at pretty much every position

Is this sarcasm? If so my detector is not working right now.

SmashMouth 08-14-2023 03:34 PM

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SmashMouth 08-14-2023 03:56 PM

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AsylumGuido 08-14-2023 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 977315)

Not bad, but they didn't give enough props to McCoy and Ruiz on the line and never mentioned that Carr never had a defense supporting him that was in the top 20 in the league while the Saints are easily top five at this point.

BakoSaint 08-14-2023 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 977316)
Not bad, but they didn't give enough props to McCoy and Ruiz on the line and never mentioned that Carr never had a defense supporting him that was in the top 20 in the league while the Saints are easily top five at this point.

No defense is ever easily top 5. Whether we were top 5 last year depends on which common metric you pick. We were 9th in points allowed, 6th in yards allowed, 5th in yards per play allowed, 31st in takeaways, and 32nd in drives ended by turnover. Overall we were not a top 5 defense last year. But even a top 5 defense has a very hard time repeating as a top 5 defense the next year, most don't.

SmashMouth 08-14-2023 05:19 PM

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K Major 08-14-2023 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 977322)
No defense is ever easily top 5. Whether we were top 5 last year depends on which common metric you pick. We were 9th in points allowed, 6th in yards allowed, 5th in yards per play allowed, 31st in takeaways, and 32nd in drives ended by turnover. Overall we were not a top 5 defense last year. But even a top 5 defense has a very hard time repeating as a top 5 defense the next year, most don't.

Gotta do better here. And you're right, we were NOT a top 5 defense last year. Some people just like to sugarcoat s***.

Takeaways.

We were only better than the LV Raiders in this dept for 2022.

AsylumGuido 08-14-2023 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 977325)
Gotta do better here. And you're right, we were NOT a top 5 defense last year. Some people just like to sugarcoat s***.

Takeaways.

We were only better than the LV Raiders in this dept for 2022.

Some people may sugarcoat and other choose to smear their own **** all over instead. I'll take the sugar, thank you very much.

;)

:bng:

SmashMouth 08-14-2023 06:39 PM

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K Major 08-14-2023 07:36 PM

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I'd keep an eye on the Philly Feagles final roster cuts.

They have a few players that could start (probably why they were in the SB last season) on a lot of NFL teams. Specifically the offensive line.

James Hurst may take over Peat's :rolleyes: spot by mid season.

AsylumGuido 08-14-2023 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 977331)
I'd keep an eye on the Philly Feagles final roster cuts.

They have a few players that could start on a lot of NFL teams. Specifically the offensive line.

James Hurst may take over Peat's :rolleyes: spot by mid season.

Okay. Which of the players that the Eagles cut from this are starters on other teams? Or was that just hyperbole?

LT68Mailata, Jordan 18/772KELLY, DENNIS U/Ind66Johnson, Roderick SF22    
LG69Dickerson, Landon 21/278Opeta, Sua CF1973Sills, Josh CF2277Good-Jones, Julian CF20  
C62KELCE, JASON 11/664Toth, Brett CF1967Tom, Cameron SF2274ANDREWS, JOSH SF23  
RG51Jurgens, Cam 22/256Steen, Tyler 23/376Robinson, Tyrese SF22    
RT65JOHNSON, LANE 13/163Driscoll, Jack 20/450Johnson, Fred SF22    

SmashMouth 08-14-2023 09:50 PM

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SmashMouth 08-14-2023 09:55 PM

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SmashMouth 08-14-2023 10:14 PM

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vpheughan 08-14-2023 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 977326)
Some people may sugarcoat and other choose to smear their own **** all over instead. I'll take the sugar, thank you very much.

;)

:bng:

YOUR WORDS: Some people may sugarcoat and other choose to smear their own **** all over instead. I'll take the sugar, thank you very much.
[B]
SUGARCOATED :Altered to seem better than it really is, made more attractive.

Bon Appétit!
SUGARCOATING **** DOESN'T MAKE IT CANDY. **** IS STILL ****, WITH OR WITHOUT SUGAR. ENJOY! :rofl: :rofl:

Mr.Riaton 08-15-2023 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 977341)
YOUR WORDS: Some people may sugarcoat and other choose to smear their own **** all over instead. I'll take the sugar, thank you very much.
[B]
SUGARCOATED :Altered to seem better than it really is, made more attractive.

Bon Appétit!
SUGARCOATING **** DOESN'T MAKE IT CANDY. **** IS STILL ****, WITH OR WITHOUT SUGAR. ENJOY! :rofl: :rofl:

Amen brother! People who sugarcoat come across fake, shallow, and insecure. People who **** smear more likely than not to keep it real. I’ll take real over sugar coat any day😎
Besides, there’s something to be said about a mf who takes shots at a member whom he knows has him blocked

Rugby Saint II 08-15-2023 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 977331)
I'd keep an eye on the Philly Feagles final roster cuts.

They have a few players that could start (probably why they were in the SB last season) on a lot of NFL teams. Specifically the offensive line.

James Hurst may take over Peat's :rolleyes: spot by mid season.

He may have already taken Peat's spot. Peat isn't able to put up a fight right now....again. :rolleyes:

Boston Saint 08-15-2023 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 977355)
He may have already taken Peat's spot. Peat isn't able to put up a fight right now....again. :rolleyes:

Them sammiches will get you one way or another !

AsylumGuido 08-15-2023 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 977355)
He may have already taken Peat's spot. Peat isn't able to put up a fight right now....again. :rolleyes:

Yeah. I was about to say the same. There's no reason why Peat couldn't take over that swing depth position. He may stay healthy longer not starting.

K Major 08-15-2023 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 977355)
He may have already taken Peat's spot.

Good.

SmashMouth 08-15-2023 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 977363)
Good.

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jnormand 08-15-2023 01:29 PM

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I’m confused. Is that a meme describing Peat falling and getting hurt or the FO falling on their faces when they signed him to that absurd contract? Good grief he’s over paid.

Boston Saint 08-15-2023 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 977371)
I’m confused. Is that a meme describing Peat falling and getting hurt or the FO falling on their faces when they signed him to that absurd contract? Good grief he’s over paid.

Does it matter? That’s some funny **** there.

Rugby Saint II 08-15-2023 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 977371)
I’m confused. Is that a meme describing Peat falling and getting hurt or the FO falling on their faces when they signed him to that absurd contract? Good grief he’s over paid.

That video clip nailed it. He's a turn style and he always winds up on the ground on way too many plays. At this point I'd be happy if he is a quality backup this season. His contract makes him expendable at the end of this season. I hope wherever he goes they have a Popeyes. Right Boston? :wink:

Boston Saint 08-15-2023 02:11 PM

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I don’t know why, but this video cracks me up. I sent it to all my Pat loving Poker buddies up here and told them it was an inside scoop video of Belichick teaching their offincive line blocking techniques!

AsylumGuido 08-15-2023 05:16 PM

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If this line can stay healthy they can be elite.


The Dude 08-15-2023 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 977385)
If this line can stay healthy they can be elite.

https://twitter.com/TheSaintsWire/st...68019913281555

Fat chance of that.

AsylumGuido 08-15-2023 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 977386)
Fat chance of that.

No telling unless you have some sort of crystal ball.

Oh, but I forgot. You always expect the worst. ;) :D

:bng:

hitta 08-15-2023 10:44 PM

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Everyone keeps talking about how Aaron Rodgers is so much better than getting Derek Carr for the Jets. Let's see if people continue to say that after the season. They are delusional.

FinSaint 08-16-2023 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 977307)
I'm the same, I was happy to see that DAZN had a bit of a better experience than Gamepass did. GP would always crash or say "content not available" for days on end.



But yeah, tuning in and watching Derek Carr throw a TD, just for Trent Green to say "how fast the LB was" that just got beat was mind-numbing.

I think moving to DAZN was a definite downgrade to the Gamepass.

Because of the time difference to Finland - I usually don't watch games live. Previously Gamepass would cut all of the commercial breaks from the archived games, but DAZN doesn't bother with that and just leaves them in. What is even worse is that DAZN doesn't show the original commercials, but instead just plays generic NFL visuals with grunting and cheering in their place.

Also the quality of the streams seem way worse and I did read from somewhere that DAZN uses 1080p broadcasts which it then converts to 720p to save on server costs - 720p in 2023 is just unacceptable when the broadcasts should all be in 4K.

And don't even get me started on the default video type being the highlights when you start an archived game, so if you're not quick enough to change the type to full game when the video starts - you could be in for spoilers. Also, joining a live stream doesn't have the option to start from the beginning, but instead it just goes to live action and you have to manually rewind the stream to the start.

I'm seriously thinking of cancelling my subscription, but I just haven't found a viable alternative if I want to keep things above the board.

It's crazy that NFL talks about expanding the game to international viewers and then gives us this minimum effort crap.

Sorry for the rant guys...

Boston Saint 08-16-2023 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 977392)
I think moving to DAZN was a definite downgrade to the Gamepass.

Because of the time difference to Finland - I usually don't watch games live. Previously Gamepass would cut all of the commercial breaks from the archived games, but DAZN doesn't bother with that and just leaves them in. What is even worse is that DAZN doesn't show the original commercials, but instead just plays generic NFL visuals with grunting and cheering in their place.

Also the quality of the streams seem way worse and I did read from somewhere that DAZN uses 1080p broadcasts which it then converts to 720p to save on server costs - 720p in 2023 is just unacceptable when the broadcasts should all be in 4K.

And don't even get me started on the default video type being the highlights when you start an archived game, so if you're not quick enough to change the type to full game when the video starts - you could be in for spoilers. Also, joining a live stream doesn't have the option to start from the beginning, but instead it just goes to live action and you have to manually rewind the stream to the start.

I'm seriously thinking of cancelling my subscription, but I just haven't found a viable alternative if I want to keep things above the board.

It's crazy that NFL talks about expanding the game to international viewers and then gives us this minimum effort crap.

Sorry for the rant guys...

This is the place to rant !

rezburna 08-16-2023 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 977385)
If this line can stay healthy they can be elite.

https://twitter.com/TheSaintsWire/st...68019913281555

We invested a lot of high picks on this offensive line. If they stay healthy and gel into that potential then the analysts are right. I'm hoping they do.

Trevor Penning, LT, R1 | 19
Andrus Peat, LG, R1 | 13
Erik McCoy C, R2 | 48
Cesar Ruiz RG, R1 | 24
Ryan Ramcyzk, R1 | 32

BakoSaint 08-16-2023 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 977394)
We invested a lot of high picks on this offensive line. If they stay healthy and gel into that potential then the analysts are right. I'm hoping they do.

Trevor Penning, LT, R1 | 19
Andrus Peat, LG, R1 | 13
Erik McCoy C, R2 | 48
Cesar Ruiz RG, R1 | 24
Ryan Ramcyzk, R1 | 32

The fact that Peat was a 1st round pick a long time ago means absolutely nothing today. We might as well call up Janikowski and throw him in at center so we can say our entire oline is 1st round picks. If anything its a problem that our oline has no scrappy underdogs who were mid round picks or later and worked their way up, only more entitled players who were drafted in the 1st or early 2nd round. It would be better to at least have a mix, and if Peat gets beat out we will somewhat. Our Super Bowl roster had zero 1st round picks on oline and the oline was much better. We won a ring off of being able to take mid round picks on oline and mold them into pro bowlers. I will never understand why for some reason we stopped using mid round picks on oline (except that figure skater from oxford a few years back who did not make the team) and made it rain for the pillsbury dough boy.

Boston Saint 08-16-2023 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 977402)
The fact that Peat was a 1st round pick a long time ago means absolutely nothing today. We might as well call up Janikowski and throw him in at center so we can say our entire oline is 1st round picks. If anything its a problem that our oline has no scrappy underdogs who were mid round picks or later and worked their way up, only more entitled players who were drafted in the 1st or early 2nd round. It would be better to at least have a mix, and if Peat gets beat out we will somewhat. Our Super Bowl roster had zero 1st round picks on oline and the oline was much better. We won a ring off of being able to take mid round picks on oline and mold them into pro bowlers. I will never understand why for some reason we stopped using mid round picks on oline (except that figure skater from oxford a few years back who did not make the team) and made it rain for the pillsbury dough boy.

Gotta say I don’t think the Saints “stopped” doing anything Bako. Here is a list of our last 15 years of Oline drafts :

2023 4th Round OL
2022 1st Round OL
2021 6th Round OL
2020 1st Round OL
2019 1st Round OL
2018 4th and 7th Round OL
2017 1st Round OL
2016 No OL drafted
2015 1st Round OL
2014 6th Round OL
2013 3rd Round OL
2012 6th and 7th Round OL
2011 No OL drafted
2010 2nd and 5th Round OL
2009 No OL drafted

And this does not include undrafted free agent signings. As you can see, it is a mix of high round picks, as well as intermediate and late round picks. Landon Young, a player who is expected to be part of our Oline rotation this year was a sixth round draft pick.

K Major 08-16-2023 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 977402)
The fact that Peat was a 1st round pick a long time ago means absolutely nothing today.

Crazy how it's been 8 seasons already.

Peat & DJ Humphries (AZ) are the only offensive lineman from that 2015 draft class still with the team that selected them.

Probably Peat's last in New Orleans.

BTW, Stephone Anthony (pick #31) was in that same draft class/rd 1. Huge swing and a miss there.

It happens ;).

rezburna 08-16-2023 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 977402)
The fact that Peat was a 1st round pick a long time ago means absolutely nothing today. We might as well call up Janikowski and throw him in at center so we can say our entire oline is 1st round picks. If anything its a problem that our oline has no scrappy underdogs who were mid round picks or later and worked their way up, only more entitled players who were drafted in the 1st or early 2nd round. It would be better to at least have a mix, and if Peat gets beat out we will somewhat. Our Super Bowl roster had zero 1st round picks on oline and the oline was much better. We won a ring off of being able to take mid round picks on oline and mold them into pro bowlers. I will never understand why for some reason we stopped using mid round picks on oline (except that figure skater from oxford a few years back who did not make the team) and made it rain for the pillsbury dough boy.

Peat will probably lose that spot to Hurst this year. No biggie.

BakoSaint 08-16-2023 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 977403)
Gotta say I don’t think the Saints “stopped” doing anything Bako. Here is a list of our last 15 years of Oline drafts :

2023 4th Round OL
2022 1st Round OL
2021 6th Round OL
2020 1st Round OL
2019 1st Round OL
2018 4th and 7th Round OL
2017 1st Round OL
2016 No OL drafted
2015 1st Round OL
2014 6th Round OL
2013 3rd Round OL
2012 6th and 7th Round OL
2011 No OL drafted
2010 2nd and 5th Round OL
2009 No OL drafted

And this does not include undrafted free agent signings. As you can see, it is a mix of high round picks, as well as intermediate and late round picks. Landon Young, a player who is expected to be part of our Oline rotation this year was a sixth round draft pick.

Lets continue:

2008 5th Round OL
2007 3rd and 4th Round OL
2006 4th and 7th Round OL

Only the 3rd rounder is a bust. All three 4th/5ths start in the Super Bowl, and Strief the 7th is our top backup and eventual starter. Those picks, going oline 4 times in rounds 3-5 in a 3 year period, are as much as anything what wins us a ring.

Then we go oline in the 3rd-5th only 4 times in the next 15 years. Five if you count TQS. One of those mid round picks hit on all pro Terron Armstead.

Oline is 5 starting spots, about 20% of starters if you go 11+11+k+p+kr. So on average a team should pick 3 oline in rounds 3-5 every 5 years. We have hit bigger and more on those picks than any team. And since 2009 we have made less of those picks than any team. It just doesnt make sense. We paid major draft value to trade in a lunchpail oline that won it all for a primadonna oline that cant stay healthy and all we have to show for it are a lot of stanford college sweaters covered in little debbie snack crumbs.


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