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AsylumGuido 08-29-2023 04:48 PM
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Like i said ...

iceshack149 08-29-2023 05:21 PM
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I like the cut of Smoke's jib. Hedley too. I hope that they both play for the Saints this year.

AsylumGuido 08-29-2023 05:26 PM
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WW_Who_Dat 08-29-2023 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 978360)
Roster age was much mentioned talking point on the Front Office Approach/Failure in Saints Roster Construction ... another domino falls on the road to the NFC Championship Game. :bng:

SmashMouth 08-29-2023 06:58 PM
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So what's the final tally? It should be available, neaux?

AsylumGuido 08-29-2023 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 978364)
So what's the final tally? It should be available, neaux?
https://blackandgold.com/saints/1028...tml#post978367

SmashMouth 08-30-2023 02:07 AM
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SmashMouth 08-30-2023 02:51 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/live/3u6OqsP...K07Z5iKhfCCCi7

https://www.youtube.com/live/_zrkSeo...hOgOdIPB9Ti8PQ

https://www.youtube.com/live/lraplkr...2S6u-TOYT-g_rt

leilung 08-30-2023 05:49 AM
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We are scary thin at LB depth. I wonder what the plan is?

AsylumGuido 08-30-2023 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by leilung (Post 978381)
We are scary thin at LB depth. I wonder what the plan is?
Jaylon Smith will be back.

K Major 08-30-2023 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 978378)
This was a great take Smash! My takeaways from the clip:

- Dennis values SPECIAL TEAMS more than we'll ever know.
- Roby is talented, however wasn't making enough plays @ practice.
- They are betting on Taylor to get up to speed in the slot (long term).
- Jaylon Smith is your #3, however HE'S never played on special teams (see #1) ... no role as a special teamer ATM. But clearly your #3 LB
- Triplett is confident Shaq will return to the practice squad
- Oline depth is still scary (exact words from Nick)
- Don't be surprised to see Dougie M look for a back up T/G elsewhere
- With all of the MT "injury" talk, is there concern that Shaheed won't be 100% by start of game #1?
- The Austrialian (equally inconsistent) won the punting job over my guy Blake G ... but for how long? Maybe still a phone call away?
- Saints chose YOUTH & TRUST on FG kicking over the experienced vet (Lutz)
- Best option on kick off returns? Shaheed, Ugo, Taysom or Alontae (emergency returner if needed)

Goes back to an earlier post of mine. Special teams is CRITICAL to a teams success or failure.

We are getting close. Can't wait :bng:

K Major 08-30-2023 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 978261)
I sure hope we keep Lutz, Grupe looks good but we don't know how he's going to do under pressure. Especially if he gets hit or has to try and stop someone. He's gonna get steamrolled. We kind of know what we have in Lutz.
Mark my words, going with Grupe will be our undoing
Rookie kickers make me nervous too but from what I've been reading, the young kid is automatic from 45 yards in. We're about to find out.

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Rugby Saint II 08-30-2023 11:26 AM
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We're younger for sure. I still don't understand why we didn't trade Roby. Maybe we have a hand shake deal with him to return tomorrow after 3Q goes to IR.

AsylumGuido 08-30-2023 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 978393)
We're younger for sure. I still don't understand why we didn't trade Roby. Maybe we have a hand shake deal with him to return tomorrow after 3Q goes to IR.
There probably weren't the claimed trade partners out there. That might have been his agent making crap up.

And it will be Jaylon Smith who will be coming back when Tre'Quan and/or Landon Young go on IR.

AsylumGuido 08-30-2023 12:05 PM
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leilung 08-30-2023 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 978397)
There probably weren't the claimed trade partners out there. That might have been his agent making crap up.

And it will be Jaylon Smith who will be coming back when Tre'Quan and/or Landon Young go on IR.
That's only if he's still available.

leilung 08-30-2023 12:31 PM
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Looks like we'll being seing The Throck in Week 2. Carolina just picked him up off waivers.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/panther...165114591.html

AsylumGuido 08-30-2023 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by leilung (Post 978413)
Looks like we'll being seing The Throck in Week 2. Carolina just picked him up off waivers.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/panther...165114591.html
I hope we get to see him. If so that means Carolina is screwed with their offensive depth.

AsylumGuido 08-30-2023 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by leilung (Post 978410)
That's only if he's still available.
He's available. Dennis Allen pretty much said in an interview that he'll be back.

Edit: And he's back!

AsylumGuido 08-30-2023 01:41 PM
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He can have him.

Rugby Saint II 08-30-2023 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 978415)
He's available. Dennis Allen pretty much said in an interview that he'll be back.

Edit: And he's back!


:bounce:

Boston Saint 08-30-2023 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 978424)
I was pulling for him because of his name, but I agree with you on this one Guido. He didn’t earn his spot if four other guys beat him out.

K Major 08-30-2023 01:57 PM
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The TE room is pretty well stacked.

I’m just a couch GM/HC and scout but I never understood the fascination with Krull.

Bad footwork, can’t catch & spotty route running.
He better work with the jugs machine up in Denver.

Payton won’t tolerate all of the drops.

mapcow 08-30-2023 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 978424)
and Petyon will make a better player of him. Kind of like wanting to play for a better coach, ya know. :beatnik:

Boston Saint 08-30-2023 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by mapcow (Post 978434)
and Petyon will make a better player of him. Kind of like wanting to play for a better coach, ya know. :beatnik:
Do you mean like how Peyton developed Trautman, or Mack, and Peyton developed Fleener? I don’t get your point Map?

AsylumGuido 08-30-2023 03:39 PM
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Who is Petyon?

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mapcow 08-30-2023 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 978447)
Who is Petyon?
sorry asswipe....Payton. :beatnik:

mapcow 08-30-2023 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 978436)
Do you mean like how Peyton developed Trautman, or Mack, and Peyton developed Fleener? I don’t get your point Map?
point...

PAYTON....spelling for that quido person... is a much better coach than Allen. :beatnik:

Krull may just do better with the Broncos.

Halo 08-30-2023 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 978393)
We're younger for sure. I still don't understand why we didn't trade Roby. Maybe we have a hand shake deal with him to return tomorrow after 3Q goes to IR.
Roby is 31 and not a starter. Team may feel his better producing years are behind him. His trade value may not be much.

AsylumGuido 08-30-2023 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Halo (Post 978455)
Roby is 31 and not a starter. Team may feel his better producing years are behind him. His trade value may not be much.
We saved at least $3.5M by releasing him. $5.5M if you count reachable incentives. There is that.

And trade value was obviously zero since no one actually went for it.

K Major 08-30-2023 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 978393)
We're younger for sure. I still don't understand why we didn't trade Roby. Maybe we have a hand shake deal with him to return tomorrow after 3Q goes to IR.
LD Bell (Dennis Allen) still has a ton to prove as Head Coach however when it comes to his defensive secondary moves … I 100% trust his judgment and evaluation process on players.

But again, I'm just a couch GM/HC and scout :dunce:.

AsylumGuido 08-30-2023 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 978461)
LD Bell (Dennis Allen) still has a ton to prove as Head Coach however when it comes to his defensive secondary moves … I 100% trust his judgment and evaluation process on players.

But again, I'm just a couch GM/HC and scout :dunce:.
Not to mention you can't trade a player unless you actually have a team honestly willing to trade for that player. If a team was willing to fork over a 2025 conditional 7th the Saints would have jumped on it.

WW_Who_Dat 08-30-2023 04:49 PM
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We don’t know what we don’t know. I heard on NOF that Roby had only 1 BPU the entire Camp/Preseason …

mapcow 08-30-2023 04:53 PM
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Krull will have a better season with Payton; on the practice squad, than Graham will with Allen :beatnik:

AsylumGuido 08-30-2023 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat (Post 978463)
We don’t know what we don’t know. I heard on NOF that Roby had only 1 BPU the entire Camp/Preseason …
Like I have always said, we as fans have no clue what goes on inside locker rooms, meeting rooms, and in practices. And most of what we see on the field we is without understanding of what was supposed to happen and who was supposed to do what.

In other words, we don't know crap. LOL!

AsylumGuido 08-30-2023 05:16 PM
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BakoSaint 08-30-2023 06:08 PM
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Nick Kroll was not impressive. They fed him the ball but he can't catch half the time. If we want someone with speed to get open who is not so good at catching we already are massively overpaying for that with Taysom Hill who we may not have room under the salary cap to cut until he is 40. Maybe Peyton will try Kroll in the wildcat and pay him $15 million a year then when that fails announce he is rededicated to TE then when he still sucks as a TE bring Julius Thomas out of retirement to make Broncos fans forget to complain about why Nick Kroll is being paid $15 million a year to be a TE who can't catch. Kroll and Hill were both UDFA.

Payton is not good at developing TE's. The only good TE in Payton's time was Jimmy Graham. Maybe Jimmy Graham is good at developing TE's. The number of garbage TE's we had over time is staggering. Other than Graham, we seemed to look for TE's who could have big drops or fumbles at critical times with the likes of Fleener, Cook, and Trout Man.

Roby was the 3rd highest paid player on our roster in base salary. It is lucky we did not restructure his contract this year and guarantee basically all of it. Since we didn't restructure, we were able to cut an aging non starter and save money on our salary cap, an advanced salary cap management technique exploited by many of our rivals. If needed we can bring in Roby or another vet journeyman for vet minimum salary.

Overall we seem to have done well with the cuts. Hopefully we didn't get too cute putting Smith on our practice squad and don't lose him like Murray last year. We should look at other teams practice squads for oline help.

I wonder if Shaheed is going on IR. We tend to be tight lipped with injury. Davis could get an audition, though Shaheed has shown a lot and missing him would hurt us, if he is healthy.

Our official depth chart shows Peat and Hurst as co-starters at LG. Is that normal? At TE or RB or something I could kind of get it, since you could use different sets or vary with downs, but at LG it seems weird. Is Hurst our 3rd down LG and Peat our short yardage LG???? Or is this just a cop out and Peat is a backup who we don't want to admit to overpaying?

vpheughan 08-31-2023 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 978468)
Nick Kroll was not impressive. They fed him the ball but he can't catch half the time. If we want someone with speed to get open who is not so good at catching we already are massively overpaying for that with Taysom Hill who we may not have room under the salary cap to cut until he is 40. Maybe Peyton will try Kroll in the wildcat and pay him $15 million a year then when that fails announce he is rededicated to TE then when he still sucks as a TE bring Julius Thomas out of retirement to make Broncos fans forget to complain about why Nick Kroll is being paid $15 million a year to be a TE who can't catch. Kroll and Hill were both UDFA.

Payton is not good at developing TE's. The only good TE in Payton's time was Jimmy Graham. Maybe Jimmy Graham is good at developing TE's. The number of garbage TE's we had over time is staggering. Other than Graham, we seemed to look for TE's who could have big drops or fumbles at critical times with the likes of Fleener, Cook, and Trout Man.

Roby was the 3rd highest paid player on our roster in base salary. It is lucky we did not restructure his contract this year and guarantee basically all of it. Since we didn't restructure, we were able to cut an aging non starter and save money on our salary cap, an advanced salary cap management technique exploited by many of our rivals. If needed we can bring in Roby or another vet journeyman for vet minimum salary.

Overall we seem to have done well with the cuts. Hopefully we didn't get too cute putting Smith on our practice squad and don't lose him like Murray last year. We should look at other teams practice squads for oline help.

I wonder if Shaheed is going on IR. We tend to be tight lipped with injury. Davis could get an audition, though Shaheed has shown a lot and missing him would hurt us, if he is healthy.

Our official depth chart shows Peat and Hurst as co-starters at LG. Is that normal? At TE or RB or something I could kind of get it, since you could use different sets or vary with downs, but at LG it seems weird. Is Hurst our 3rd down LG and Peat our short yardage LG???? Or is this just a cop out and Peat is a backup who we don't want to admit to overpaying?
Jimmy Graham Stats By Team:

Saints: Receptions 386 Yards 4,562 Yards Per Catch 12.3 TD 51
Seahawks: Receptions 170 Yards 2,048 Yards Per Catch 12.0 TD 18
Packers: Receptions 93 Yards 1,083 Yards Per Catch 11.6 TD 5
Bears: Receptions 64 Yards 623 Yards Per Catch 9.7 TD 11

True, Payton has a "Thing" for TE'S and Kickers Remember before John Harbaugh tipped him off to Lutz the kicker was Kai Forbath!
Trivia: Grupe is the second ND Kicker the Saints have had, John Carney was the other. Payton cut him his second year and traded for the Dolphins Olindo Mare and promptly had the worst season of his career going 10 - 17 58.8%

iceshack149 08-31-2023 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by mapcow (Post 978464)
Krull will have a better season with Payton; on the practice squad, than Graham will with Allen :beatnik:
I wonder if Las Vegas has a line on that?! It would be interesting to pay attention to but collectively, our attention spans are so weak that we'll forget to check at the end of the year.

Rugby Saint II 08-31-2023 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 978508)
I wonder if Las Vegas has a line on that?! It would be interesting to pay attention to but collectively, our attention spans are so weak that we'll forget to check at the end of the year.
So true iceshack. I'm only betting on my Saints this year though.


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