Saints QB Jake Haener suspended six games for PED violation

AsylumGuido · 09-07-2023, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by papz

Does this even matter? Go hit some weights son and study the playbook. He was never seeing the field and a roster spot opens up.

Yup. Pretty meaningless and actually aids the Saints with roster space and cap savings for six games with a player that wasn't going to see the field at all this year.

AsylumGuido · 09-07-2023, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Yeah... I'll admit it's been a minute or two since the last time we've seen this up close.

From the Bucs report
While the article is a bit stale, it suggests that it's still current under the CBA. So something is still not right about the 6 games.

NFLPA

NFL Players Suspended For PEDs And Failed Drug Test

Jaguars' Cam Robinson suspended four games for violating NFL's PED policy, per report

Cowboys RB Ronald Jones suspended two games for violating NFL PED policy

So the more we see examples of disparate games fined for seemingly the same thing, even for rookies, the more this is suspicious for Haener as being singled out. There is yet an untold story. Will Nick Underhill get to the bottom of this?

The 2020 CBA changed the penalties for fail tests. They increased the minimum PED to six games and reduced the substance abuse.

Link here

In an apparent tradeoff between the players’ union and league management, the two sides recently agreed to reduce penalties for the in-season use of stimulants such as Adderall.

The new collective bargaining agreement in 2020 reduced suspensions for first-time offenses from four games to two while also reducing suspensions for second offenses from 10 games to five. At the same time, the two sides also agreed to increase the penalties for anabolic agents or steroids – lengthening those suspensions from four to six games for a first offense and 10 games to 17 games for a second offense.

Boston Saint · 09-07-2023, 12:52 PM

Shorty was doing what he can/needs to do in order to stay on the NFL radar. I don’t fault him. It’s what separates him from Ian Book. He just got caught. He’s known now and it makes his headshots sell more.

Rugby Saint II · 09-07-2023, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I believe a Houston player was hit with a failed test and it was tracked down to tainted beef while in Mexico on vacation. The NFL supposedly sent out a warning to players about eating beef from Mexico or China. The best way to avoid it is to have everything you place in your body tested first even if it's on the approved list, because they can even be tainted. But that's almost impossible.

A rookie QB sitting four deep in depth with a roster spot guaranteed has absolutely nothing to gain by intentionally taking anything.

I still say it was the hair gel.

Kind of like the taste testers for Putin? You know the food is delicious but you're still playing Russian roulette on every bite.

Rugby Saint II · 09-07-2023, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Shorty was doing what he can/needs to do in order to stay on the NFL radar. I don’t fault him. It’s what separates him from Ian Book. He just got caught. He’s known now and it makes his headshots sell more.

That's funny Boston. I don't believe it....but it's funny!

vpheughan · 09-07-2023, 10:08 PM

"Welcome to the Party Pal!" Not the first nor will he be the last.

Saints DT David Onyemata suspended six games for violation of PED policy.

Saints WR Kawaan Baker suspended six games for PED violation.

Others of note got 4 games:

Charles Grant, New Orleans
Deuce McAllister, New Orleans
Will Smith, New Orleans

AsylumGuido · 09-08-2023, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

"Welcome to the Party Pal!" Not the first nor will he be the last.

Saints DT David Onyemata suspended six games for violation of PED policy.

Saints WR Kawaan Baker suspended six games for PED violation.

Others of note got 4 games:

Charles Grant, New Orleans
Deuce McAllister, New Orleans
Will Smith, New Orleans

This is a count of PED violations only prior to the publication in February 2022.

Since 2001, NFL players have been suspended for performance-enhancing drugs and related substances at least 258 times, including at least 82 times in the past five years, according to a newly published database compiled by USA TODAY Sports. The violations have affected every team in the league and every position on the field, including players who have been named to the Pro Bowl and even long snappers, quarterbacks and at least one placekicker.

There were seven more in 2022 and five more to date in 2023.

I swear it's getting to the point that these players can't walk through a CVS, or even a Kroger, without rubbing up against something that will trigger a positive test. There has to be a happy medium. Just because a substance is on a banned list doesn't mean it is at a high enough level in the body to actually "enhance performance."

Rugby Saint II · 09-09-2023, 05:22 PM

Gotta' protect the shield!

09-07-2023, 11:32 AM	#31
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Saints QB Jake Haener suspended six games for PED violation Originally Posted by papz Does this even matter? Go hit some weights son and study the playbook. He was never seeing the field and a roster spot opens up. Yup. Pretty meaningless and actually aids the Saints with roster space and cap savings for six games with a player that wasn't going to see the field at all this year.

09-07-2023, 11:37 AM	#32
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Saints QB Jake Haener suspended six games for PED violation Originally Posted by SmashMouth Yeah... I'll admit it's been a minute or two since the last time we've seen this up close. From the Bucs report While the article is a bit stale, it suggests that it's still current under the CBA. So something is still not right about the 6 games. NFLPA NFL Players Suspended For PEDs And Failed Drug Test Jaguars' Cam Robinson suspended four games for violating NFL's PED policy, per report Cowboys RB Ronald Jones suspended two games for violating NFL PED policy So the more we see examples of disparate games fined for seemingly the same thing, even for rookies, the more this is suspicious for Haener as being singled out. There is yet an untold story. Will Nick Underhill get to the bottom of this? The 2020 CBA changed the penalties for fail tests. They increased the minimum PED to six games and reduced the substance abuse. Link here In an apparent tradeoff between the players’ union and league management, the two sides recently agreed to reduce penalties for the in-season use of stimulants such as Adderall. The new collective bargaining agreement in 2020 reduced suspensions for first-time offenses from four games to two while also reducing suspensions for second offenses from 10 games to five. At the same time, the two sides also agreed to increase the penalties for anabolic agents or steroids – lengthening those suspensions from four to six games for a first offense and 10 games to 17 games for a second offense. SmashMouth likes this.
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09-07-2023, 12:52 PM	#33
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,878	Re: Saints QB Jake Haener suspended six games for PED violation Shorty was doing what he can/needs to do in order to stay on the NFL radar. I don’t fault him. It’s what separates him from Ian Book. He just got caught. He’s known now and it makes his headshots sell more. SmashMouth likes this.

09-07-2023, 01:43 PM	#34
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,762	Re: Saints QB Jake Haener suspended six games for PED violation Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I believe a Houston player was hit with a failed test and it was tracked down to tainted beef while in Mexico on vacation. The NFL supposedly sent out a warning to players about eating beef from Mexico or China. The best way to avoid it is to have everything you place in your body tested first even if it's on the approved list, because they can even be tainted. But that's almost impossible. A rookie QB sitting four deep in depth with a roster spot guaranteed has absolutely nothing to gain by intentionally taking anything. I still say it was the hair gel. Kind of like the taste testers for Putin? You know the food is delicious but you're still playing Russian roulette on every bite. jnormand likes this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,762	Re: Saints QB Jake Haener suspended six games for PED violation Originally Posted by Boston Saint Shorty was doing what he can/needs to do in order to stay on the NFL radar. I don’t fault him. It’s what separates him from Ian Book. He just got caught. He’s known now and it makes his headshots sell more. That's funny Boston. I don't believe it....but it's funny! SmashMouth and Boston Saint like this.

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09-08-2023, 07:52 AM	#37
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Saints QB Jake Haener suspended six games for PED violation Originally Posted by vpheughan "Welcome to the Party Pal!" Not the first nor will he be the last. Saints DT David Onyemata suspended six games for violation of PED policy. Saints WR Kawaan Baker suspended six games for PED violation. Others of note got 4 games: Charles Grant, New Orleans Deuce McAllister, New Orleans Will Smith, New Orleans This is a count of PED violations only prior to the publication in February 2022. Since 2001, NFL players have been suspended for performance-enhancing drugs and related substances at least 258 times, including at least 82 times in the past five years, according to a newly published database compiled by USA TODAY Sports. The violations have affected every team in the league and every position on the field, including players who have been named to the Pro Bowl and even long snappers, quarterbacks and at least one placekicker. There were seven more in 2022 and five more to date in 2023. I swear it's getting to the point that these players can't walk through a CVS, or even a Kroger, without rubbing up against something that will trigger a positive test. There has to be a happy medium. Just because a substance is on a banned list doesn't mean it is at a high enough level in the body to actually "enhance performance."
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

09-09-2023, 05:22 PM	#38
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,762	Re: Saints QB Jake Haener suspended six games for PED violation Gotta' protect the shield!