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Rugby Saint II 09-12-2023 01:25 PM
Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Titans
 
DeAndre Hopkins had Lattimore all over him. No matter who was actually covering him.

AsylumGuido 09-12-2023 02:20 PM
Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Titans
 
An interesting stat I just came across for week one.

% of drives that went 3-and-out:

67% - CIN
64% - IND
62% - PHI
58% - NYG
55% - PIT
55% - MIN
54% - ATL
53% - JAX
50% - TB
50% - TEN
46% - NE
44% - SEA
42% - CAR
36% - BUF
36% - KC
36% - ARI
36% - DET
33% - CHI
33% - HOU
33% - DAL
31% - WAS
30% - LAC
27% - GB
27% - NYJ
25% - SF
21% - CLE
18% - BAL
18% - MIA
18% - NO
17% - DEN
14% - LV
11% - LAR

Boston Saint 09-12-2023 03:11 PM
Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Titans
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 979606)
An interesting stat I just came across for week one.

% of drives that went 3-and-out:

67% - CIN
64% - IND
62% - PHI
58% - NYG
55% - PIT
55% - MIN
54% - ATL
53% - JAX
50% - TB
50% - TEN
46% - NE
44% - SEA
42% - CAR
36% - BUF
36% - KC
36% - ARI
36% - DET
33% - CHI
33% - HOU
33% - DAL
31% - WAS
30% - LAC
27% - GB
27% - NYJ
25% - SF
21% - CLE
18% - BAL
18% - MIA
18% - NO
17% - DEN
14% - LV
11% - LAR
Is this offensive or defensive?

AsylumGuido 09-12-2023 03:12 PM
Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Titans
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 979614)
Is this offensive or defensive?
Offense. Two 3 and outs. Eleven possessions. 2/11 = .181818

AsylumGuido 09-12-2023 04:03 PM
Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Titans
 

AsylumGuido 09-12-2023 04:40 PM
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SmashMouth 09-12-2023 08:37 PM
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BakoSaint 09-12-2023 10:06 PM
Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Titans
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 979615)
Offense. Two 3 and outs. Eleven possessions. 2/11 = .181818
I am open to hearing about positive stats like Carr's air yards but I would argue this is a flawed stat. Anything that shows our offense was the equal of the Dolphins in week 1 should be questioned. The reality is we punted 5 times on drives of -2, 23, -8, 26, and 30 yards. The average of those drives is 14 yards before punting. Keep the same average and make those drive 8, 9, 35, 8, and 9 yards and we double our 3 and outs but it makes no difference really.

For both the Raiders and Dolphins when you look at their drives its counting kneeling at the end of a half as a 3 and out to make their percentage add up. So the numbers can't be totally trusted.

Points and yards are more trustworthy than lack of 3 and outs. A team could have a first down, run for no gain, garner a 5 yard penalty that automatically gives them another first down, get sacked twice for 20 yards, and throw a pick six, and then its time to celebrate a drive without a 3 and out. Then the other team kneels 3 times and punts with 5 seconds on the clock to seal the win, and they had a 3 and out. We had 12 possessions amounting to 5 punts with an average of 14 yards before punting, 2 turnovers (1 special teams) with an average of 22 yards gained before turnover, 3 field goals, one touchdown, and one run-out-the-clock and we scored 16 points. Thats an average to below average offensive performance if I ever heard one. Lucky our defense shined.

iceshack149 09-12-2023 11:18 PM
Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Titans
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 979659)
I am open to hearing about positive stats like Carr's air yards but I would argue this is a flawed stat. Anything that shows our offense was the equal of the Dolphins in week 1 should be questioned. The reality is we punted 5 times on drives of -2, 23, -8, 26, and 30 yards. The average of those drives is 14 yards before punting. Keep the same average and make those drive 8, 9, 35, 8, and 9 yards and we double our 3 and outs but it makes no difference really.

For both the Raiders and Dolphins when you look at their drives its counting kneeling at the end of a half as a 3 and out to make their percentage add up. So the numbers can't be totally trusted.

Points and yards are more trustworthy than lack of 3 and outs. A team could have a first down, run for no gain, garner a 5 yard penalty that automatically gives them another first down, get sacked twice for 20 yards, and throw a pick six, and then its time to celebrate a drive without a 3 and out. Then the other team kneels 3 times and punts with 5 seconds on the clock to seal the win, and they had a 3 and out. We had 12 possessions amounting to 5 punts with an average of 14 yards before punting, 2 turnovers (1 special teams) with an average of 22 yards gained before turnover, 3 field goals, one touchdown, and one run-out-the-clock and we scored 16 points. Thats an average to below average offensive performance if I ever heard one. Lucky our defense shined.
You work extremely hard to discredit this team but I truly do appreciate your perspective. It makes me think and see things differently.

AsylumGuido 09-13-2023 07:22 AM
Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Titans
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 979659)
I am open to hearing about positive stats like Carr's air yards but I would argue this is a flawed stat. Anything that shows our offense was the equal of the Dolphins in week 1 should be questioned. The reality is we punted 5 times on drives of -2, 23, -8, 26, and 30 yards. The average of those drives is 14 yards before punting. Keep the same average and make those drive 8, 9, 35, 8, and 9 yards and we double our 3 and outs but it makes no difference really.

For both the Raiders and Dolphins when you look at their drives its counting kneeling at the end of a half as a 3 and out to make their percentage add up. So the numbers can't be totally trusted.

Points and yards are more trustworthy than lack of 3 and outs. A team could have a first down, run for no gain, garner a 5 yard penalty that automatically gives them another first down, get sacked twice for 20 yards, and throw a pick six, and then its time to celebrate a drive without a 3 and out. Then the other team kneels 3 times and punts with 5 seconds on the clock to seal the win, and they had a 3 and out. We had 12 possessions amounting to 5 punts with an average of 14 yards before punting, 2 turnovers (1 special teams) with an average of 22 yards gained before turnover, 3 field goals, one touchdown, and one run-out-the-clock and we scored 16 points. Thats an average to below average offensive performance if I ever heard one. Lucky our defense shined.
See Smash's post above this one you posted.


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