Observations from the Saints win vs Titans

09-11-2023, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

According to this the field surface is of a different type than last year.

https://twitter.com/Kat_Terrell/stat...06820583911598

Seems like there is a lot of conflicting information. There is no question the turf itself was changed out before the season like it normally is. The information I am finding is the type of surface is the exact same stuff that has been used in the dome since 2019 which is Turf Nation S5 / slit film.

Boston Saint · 09-11-2023, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

A lot of bad calls went against us too. There was a long pass with clear early contact that was not called PI, then on the next series the Titans get a ticky tack PI to extend their drive. Titans were holding all day. The refs made bad calls all day and they face no accountability. Anyone who says they should face accountability or be second guessed gets to lead the league in penalties against for several years.

I think the refs want to completely eliminate instant replay. They dont care about getting the call right, in fact they pride themselves in their power to get it wrong. Thats why they killed replay of pass interference. In this case Carr clearly fumbled. It was clearly Titans ball. But the refs had ruled it an incomplete pass on the field and stopped the return. So they let the call stand on replay even though replay clearly showed the call was wrong. Now they can produce stats that show most calls are not reversed on replay, and try to exclude more critical plays from instant replay. All to lower our sensitivity to bad calls, so when playoff season comes they can get those big checks for helping out the large markets.

That small of sample size and at that small of a percentage is not statistically significant. According to that graph, you could say that artificial turf is on an increasingly downward injury trend while natural grass injuries are clearly on a rising trend. The graph predicts this year to have more injuries on grass than turf.

BakoSaint · 09-11-2023, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

Seems like there is a lot of conflicting information. There is no question the turf itself was changed out before the season like it normally is. The information I am finding is the type of surface is the exact same stuff that has been used in the dome since 2019 which is Turf Nation S5 / slit film.

It's probably still slit film turf like last year, but probably this year the salesman upsold our front office on the deluxe platinum slit film at a 30% markup that comes with an extended warranty, multi-color sparkles, a collectable trading card featuring top MLB prospect Wander Franco, a certificate of authenticity from the Bradford exchange, exclusive presale access to NFT's featuring Khloe Kardashian and Logan Paul on the turf, and limited edition exclusive seasonal pumpkin spice scent.

AsylumGuido · 09-11-2023, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

It's probably still slit film turf like last year, but probably this year the salesman upsold our front office on the deluxe platinum slit film at a 30% markup that comes with an extended warranty, multi-color sparkles, a collectable trading card featuring top MLB prospect Wander Franco, a certificate of authenticity from the Bradford exchange, exclusive presale access to NFT's featuring Khloe Kardashian and Logan Paul on the turf, and limited edition exclusive seasonal pumpkin spice scent.

Damn, your hatred runs deep. Is there anything to do with the Saints that actually brings even the smallest amount of pleasure into your life?

TheDeuce · 09-11-2023, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

A lot of bad calls went against us too. There was a long pass with clear early contact that was not called PI, then on the next series the Titans get a ticky tack PI to extend their drive. Titans were holding all day. The refs made bad calls all day and they face no accountability. Anyone who says they should face accountability or be second guessed gets to lead the league in penalties against for several years.

I think the refs want to completely eliminate instant replay. They dont care about getting the call right, in fact they pride themselves in their power to get it wrong. Thats why they killed replay of pass interference. In this case Carr clearly fumbled. It was clearly Titans ball. But the refs had ruled it an incomplete pass on the field and stopped the return. So they let the call stand on replay even though replay clearly showed the call was wrong. Now they can produce stats that show most calls are not reversed on replay, and try to exclude more critical plays from instant replay. All to lower our sensitivity to bad calls, so when playoff season comes they can get those big checks for helping out the large markets.

Sure we had some calls against us, I’m just saying it’s pretty clear that the most game-changing call in the game went our way and saved us 10 points most likely.

Also, video replay of PI was the dumbest rule ever implemented and done purely as a mea culpa by the NFL after what was the biggest dicking against a team by refs in the history of football. A completely unsustainable rule, they never intended for it to stick around permanently.

But anyways, refs weren’t the highlight of the game, our defense was. Great tackling, great ball hawking, excellent Redzone defense. A real joy to watch a defense like the one we have. The difference this year is we finally have a competent QB to take some of the pressure off our defense. We clearly miss Kamara’s explosiveness out of the backfield, but I am impressed with our skill players. OL needs to improve, but I also think it’s important to remember that Tennessee is one of the best defenses in the NFL year in and year out under Vrabel. Finally, great game by Grupe, hope he can keep it up.

AsylumGuido · 09-11-2023, 06:09 PM

True dat!

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BakoSaint · 09-11-2023, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Damn, your hatred runs deep. Is there anything to do with the Saints that actually brings even the smallest amount of pleasure into your life?

I like when we make big plays. I like Grupe and Shaheed. I was happy we drafted oline in the 4th. I was happy to see Davenport go. Knowing we have a 1st round pick this year brings me joy.

As to the turf, take a joke man. As another poster said there is conflicting info that the turf is 'new' but 'the same' so its pretty logical to figure that it might be some kind of 'new and improved' bs now with Omega 3's, antioxidants, and techron. Its kind of the classic thing. Turf is like cigarettes. So if the turf salesmen want to keep pushing it they have to add filters and menthol and buy a doctor to say its healthy now. So of course every years model is going to be new and improved so the teams that don't do something about turf can keep claiming they are doing something about turf.

Sinner · 09-11-2023, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

I like when we make big plays. I like Grupe and Shaheed. I was happy we drafted oline in the 4th. I was happy to see Davenport go. Knowing we have a 1st round pick this year brings me joy.

As to the turf, take a joke man. As another poster said there is conflicting info that the turf is 'new' but 'the same' so its pretty logical to figure that it might be some kind of 'new and improved' bs now with Omega 3's, antioxidants, and techron. Its kind of the classic thing. Turf is like cigarettes. So if the turf salesmen want to keep pushing it they have to add filters and menthol and buy a doctor to say its healthy now. So of course every years model is going to be new and improved so the teams that don't do something about turf can keep claiming they are doing something about turf.

It really is a joke when grown-a$$ millionaires get to blame turf for ending their season, and giving other teams an advantage… Man, back in the day when I was playing, it was concrete and broken glass in a snowstorm… BAREFOOT! And we never complained.

AsylumGuido · 09-11-2023, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

I like when we make big plays. I like Grupe and Shaheed. I was happy we drafted oline in the 4th. I was happy to see Davenport go. Knowing we have a 1st round pick this year brings me joy.

As to the turf, take a joke man. As another poster said there is conflicting info that the turf is 'new' but 'the same' so its pretty logical to figure that it might be some kind of 'new and improved' bs now with Omega 3's, antioxidants, and techron. Its kind of the classic thing. Turf is like cigarettes. So if the turf salesmen want to keep pushing it they have to add filters and menthol and buy a doctor to say its healthy now. So of course every years model is going to be new and improved so the teams that don't do something about turf can keep claiming they are doing something about turf.

Ah, yes. I get it now. Joke in lieu of substance. ha ha

AsylumGuido · 09-11-2023, 06:41 PM

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09-11-2023, 05:04 PM	#81
Threaded by MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by AsylumGuido According to this the field surface is of a different type than last year. https://twitter.com/Kat_Terrell/stat...06820583911598 Seems like there is a lot of conflicting information. There is no question the turf itself was changed out before the season like it normally is. The information I am finding is the type of surface is the exact same stuff that has been used in the dome since 2019 which is Turf Nation S5 / slit film. leilung likes this.
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09-11-2023, 05:10 PM	#82
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Titans Originally Posted by BakoSaint A lot of bad calls went against us too. There was a long pass with clear early contact that was not called PI, then on the next series the Titans get a ticky tack PI to extend their drive. Titans were holding all day. The refs made bad calls all day and they face no accountability. Anyone who says they should face accountability or be second guessed gets to lead the league in penalties against for several years. I think the refs want to completely eliminate instant replay. They dont care about getting the call right, in fact they pride themselves in their power to get it wrong. Thats why they killed replay of pass interference. In this case Carr clearly fumbled. It was clearly Titans ball. But the refs had ruled it an incomplete pass on the field and stopped the return. So they let the call stand on replay even though replay clearly showed the call was wrong. Now they can produce stats that show most calls are not reversed on replay, and try to exclude more critical plays from instant replay. All to lower our sensitivity to bad calls, so when playoff season comes they can get those big checks for helping out the large markets. That small of sample size and at that small of a percentage is not statistically significant. According to that graph, you could say that artificial turf is on an increasingly downward injury trend while natural grass injuries are clearly on a rising trend. The graph predicts this year to have more injuries on grass than turf.

09-11-2023, 05:12 PM	#83
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,173	Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Titans Originally Posted by MatthewT Seems like there is a lot of conflicting information. There is no question the turf itself was changed out before the season like it normally is. The information I am finding is the type of surface is the exact same stuff that has been used in the dome since 2019 which is Turf Nation S5 / slit film. It's probably still slit film turf like last year, but probably this year the salesman upsold our front office on the deluxe platinum slit film at a 30% markup that comes with an extended warranty, multi-color sparkles, a collectable trading card featuring top MLB prospect Wander Franco, a certificate of authenticity from the Bradford exchange, exclusive presale access to NFT's featuring Khloe Kardashian and Logan Paul on the turf, and limited edition exclusive seasonal pumpkin spice scent. MatthewT likes this.
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09-11-2023, 05:43 PM	#84
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Titans Originally Posted by BakoSaint It's probably still slit film turf like last year, but probably this year the salesman upsold our front office on the deluxe platinum slit film at a 30% markup that comes with an extended warranty, multi-color sparkles, a collectable trading card featuring top MLB prospect Wander Franco, a certificate of authenticity from the Bradford exchange, exclusive presale access to NFT's featuring Khloe Kardashian and Logan Paul on the turf, and limited edition exclusive seasonal pumpkin spice scent. Damn, your hatred runs deep. Is there anything to do with the Saints that actually brings even the smallest amount of pleasure into your life?

09-11-2023, 05:49 PM	#85
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Titans Originally Posted by BakoSaint A lot of bad calls went against us too. There was a long pass with clear early contact that was not called PI, then on the next series the Titans get a ticky tack PI to extend their drive. Titans were holding all day. The refs made bad calls all day and they face no accountability. Anyone who says they should face accountability or be second guessed gets to lead the league in penalties against for several years. I think the refs want to completely eliminate instant replay. They dont care about getting the call right, in fact they pride themselves in their power to get it wrong. Thats why they killed replay of pass interference. In this case Carr clearly fumbled. It was clearly Titans ball. But the refs had ruled it an incomplete pass on the field and stopped the return. So they let the call stand on replay even though replay clearly showed the call was wrong. Now they can produce stats that show most calls are not reversed on replay, and try to exclude more critical plays from instant replay. All to lower our sensitivity to bad calls, so when playoff season comes they can get those big checks for helping out the large markets. Sure we had some calls against us, I’m just saying it’s pretty clear that the most game-changing call in the game went our way and saved us 10 points most likely. Also, video replay of PI was the dumbest rule ever implemented and done purely as a mea culpa by the NFL after what was the biggest dicking against a team by refs in the history of football. A completely unsustainable rule, they never intended for it to stick around permanently. But anyways, refs weren’t the highlight of the game, our defense was. Great tackling, great ball hawking, excellent Redzone defense. A real joy to watch a defense like the one we have. The difference this year is we finally have a competent QB to take some of the pressure off our defense. We clearly miss Kamara’s explosiveness out of the backfield, but I am impressed with our skill players. OL needs to improve, but I also think it’s important to remember that Tennessee is one of the best defenses in the NFL year in and year out under Vrabel. Finally, great game by Grupe, hope he can keep it up. AsylumGuido likes this.
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09-11-2023, 06:13 PM	#87
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,173	Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Titans Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Damn, your hatred runs deep. Is there anything to do with the Saints that actually brings even the smallest amount of pleasure into your life? I like when we make big plays. I like Grupe and Shaheed. I was happy we drafted oline in the 4th. I was happy to see Davenport go. Knowing we have a 1st round pick this year brings me joy. As to the turf, take a joke man. As another poster said there is conflicting info that the turf is 'new' but 'the same' so its pretty logical to figure that it might be some kind of 'new and improved' bs now with Omega 3's, antioxidants, and techron. Its kind of the classic thing. Turf is like cigarettes. So if the turf salesmen want to keep pushing it they have to add filters and menthol and buy a doctor to say its healthy now. So of course every years model is going to be new and improved so the teams that don't do something about turf can keep claiming they are doing something about turf.
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09-11-2023, 06:20 PM	#88
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,952	Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Titans Originally Posted by BakoSaint I like when we make big plays. I like Grupe and Shaheed. I was happy we drafted oline in the 4th. I was happy to see Davenport go. Knowing we have a 1st round pick this year brings me joy. As to the turf, take a joke man. As another poster said there is conflicting info that the turf is 'new' but 'the same' so its pretty logical to figure that it might be some kind of 'new and improved' bs now with Omega 3's, antioxidants, and techron. Its kind of the classic thing. Turf is like cigarettes. So if the turf salesmen want to keep pushing it they have to add filters and menthol and buy a doctor to say its healthy now. So of course every years model is going to be new and improved so the teams that don't do something about turf can keep claiming they are doing something about turf. It really is a joke when grown-a$$ millionaires get to blame turf for ending their season, and giving other teams an advantage… Man, back in the day when I was playing, it was concrete and broken glass in a snowstorm… BAREFOOT! And we never complained. iceshack149 and jnormand like this.
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09-11-2023, 06:24 PM	#89
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Titans Originally Posted by BakoSaint I like when we make big plays. I like Grupe and Shaheed. I was happy we drafted oline in the 4th. I was happy to see Davenport go. Knowing we have a 1st round pick this year brings me joy. As to the turf, take a joke man. As another poster said there is conflicting info that the turf is 'new' but 'the same' so its pretty logical to figure that it might be some kind of 'new and improved' bs now with Omega 3's, antioxidants, and techron. Its kind of the classic thing. Turf is like cigarettes. So if the turf salesmen want to keep pushing it they have to add filters and menthol and buy a doctor to say its healthy now. So of course every years model is going to be new and improved so the teams that don't do something about turf can keep claiming they are doing something about turf. Ah, yes. I get it now. Joke in lieu of substance. ha ha

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