Saints @ Panthers Game Day Thread

AsylumGuido · 09-19-2023, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Agreed. Allen as a defensive coordinator is truly elite. Pete Carmichael has to be replaced though. We’re so unimaginative and far too conservative. With our receivers we should be taking shots down the sideline anytime we get 1 on 1 coverage. It’ll open things up underneath and in the run game.

I believe that will be coming more when Carr can get enough time to make those plays.

iceshack149 · 09-19-2023, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Agreed. Allen as a defensive coordinator is truly elite. Pete Carmichael has to be replaced though. We’re so unimaginative and far too conservative. With our receivers we should be taking shots down the sideline anytime we get 1 on 1 coverage. It’ll open things up underneath and in the run game.

I say bring back Gruden. Unless he's completely 86'd from the NFL I'd like to see what he could bring to New Orleans.

K Major · 09-19-2023, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

I say bring back Gruden. Unless he's completely 86'd from the NFL I'd like to see what he could bring to New Orleans.

Agreed. Still a innovative mind.

Pete C isn't creative enough & is predictable.

K Major · 09-19-2023, 03:10 PM

Timestamp starting around 4:26.

Penning gave that LB the business & away from the play

. Grown man move.

TD

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WW_Who_Dat · 09-19-2023, 03:37 PM

One question with the offensive play calling that I have, where are the screen plays, so far nonexistent. Is that because of the limited backfield options? It has always been one of tool available in preventing the Defense from teeing off on your QB.

Predictable, static, conservative play calling in the first half, better in the second half they were much less predictable. Taysom behind center running and throwing even if only there 1 time. Taking handoffs/toss in the backfield all of which puts more pressure on the defenses. The guy is Beast running the ball especially when he get a head steam. Game plan him in something other than RPO that is statistically 99.9% Run so far this season.

Let’s play and game plan to win 1st-4th quarter not only on offense but also on defense. Prevent defenses are a holdover philosophy from a bygone era in the NFL. If you have a good defense why take away their ability to control the out come rather than being a passive participant.

2 down 21 to go.

dizzle88 · 09-19-2023, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

One question with the offensive play calling that I have, where are the screen plays, so far nonexistent. Is that because of the limited backfield options? It has always been one of tool available in preventing the Defense from teeing off on your QB.

Predictable, static, conservative play calling in the first half, better in the second half they were much less predictable. Taysom behind center running and throwing even if only there 1 time. Taking handoffs/toss in the backfield all of which puts more pressure on the defenses. The guy is Beast running the ball especially when he get a head steam. Game plan him in something other than RPO that is statistically 99.9% Run so far this season.

Let’s play and game plan to win 1st-4th quarter not only on offense but also on defense. Prevent defenses are a holdover philosophy from a bygone era in the NFL. If you have a good defense why take away their ability to control the out come rather than being a passive participant.

2 down 21 to go.

Agreed, the Defense had them on the ropes the entire game.

The "prevent" defense didn't prevent anything. The Panthers marched 70 yards in 50 seconds, using zero timeouts and scoring a TD.

WW_Who_Dat · 09-19-2023, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Agreed, the Defense had them on the ropes the entire game.

The "prevent" defense didn't prevent anything. The Panthers marched 70 yards in 50 seconds, using zero timeouts and scoring a TD.

I said last night, I think one or more of the defensive captain will have conversations with DA about statistically diminishing an outstanding performance with that kind of dated defense that seldom accomplishes it stated purpose. Last night only thing it prevented was a 20-9 win.

rezburna · 09-19-2023, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

One question with the offensive play calling that I have, where are the screen plays, so far nonexistent. Is that because of the limited backfield options? It has always been one of tool available in preventing the Defense from teeing off on your QB.

Predictable, static, conservative play calling in the first half, better in the second half they were much less predictable. Taysom behind center running and throwing even if only there 1 time. Taking handoffs/toss in the backfield all of which puts more pressure on the defenses. The guy is Beast running the ball especially when he get a head steam. Game plan him in something other than RPO that is statistically 99.9% Run so far this season.

Let’s play and game plan to win 1st-4th quarter not only on offense but also on defense. Prevent defenses are a holdover philosophy from a bygone era in the NFL. If you have a good defense why take away their ability to control the out come rather than being a passive participant.

2 down 21 to go.

They drafted somebody like Chris Olave who masterfully ran the bubble screen at Ohio State and rarely use it. He scored the one time we ran it (stepped out of bounds though). Shaheed runs the bubble screen well too because he’s so great in open field. MT can run tunnel screens on the goal line. There’s so many things we can do with this offense and we just don’t. Carr missed a lot of open guys, but still. I do like Taysom Hill having the option to through that bubble to Shaheed on those two draw plays. Love that design. I also like Taysom Hill in the backfield as an actual running back. He’s an excellent power back. That honestly needs to be his position.

AsylumGuido · 09-19-2023, 04:25 PM

The issue with screens, if I'm not mistaken, is that it takes a great deal of coordination and execution by the offensive line to not only sell it, but to carry out their individual roles off the line. If we are still working on getting the basic pass blocking down how can we expect execution of the screen yet?

I suspect it will all be coming and wish we could get this all hammered out in the preseason, but times they have changed.

09-19-2023, 11:58 AM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,953	Re: Saints @ Panthers Game Day Thread Originally Posted by rezburna Agreed. Allen as a defensive coordinator is truly elite. Pete Carmichael has to be replaced though. We’re so unimaginative and far too conservative. With our receivers we should be taking shots down the sideline anytime we get 1 on 1 coverage. It’ll open things up underneath and in the run game. I believe that will be coming more when Carr can get enough time to make those plays.

09-19-2023, 02:29 PM	#2
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,488 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints @ Panthers Game Day Thread Originally Posted by rezburna Agreed. Allen as a defensive coordinator is truly elite. Pete Carmichael has to be replaced though. We’re so unimaginative and far too conservative. With our receivers we should be taking shots down the sideline anytime we get 1 on 1 coverage. It’ll open things up underneath and in the run game. I say bring back Gruden. Unless he's completely 86'd from the NFL I'd like to see what he could bring to New Orleans. SmashMouth, K Major, rezburna and 1 others like this.

09-19-2023, 02:34 PM	#3
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,920 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints @ Panthers Game Day Thread Originally Posted by iceshack149 I say bring back Gruden. Unless he's completely 86'd from the NFL I'd like to see what he could bring to New Orleans. Agreed. Still a innovative mind. Pete C isn't creative enough & is predictable.

09-19-2023, 03:37 PM	#5
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,286 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints @ Panthers Game Day Thread One question with the offensive play calling that I have, where are the screen plays, so far nonexistent. Is that because of the limited backfield options? It has always been one of tool available in preventing the Defense from teeing off on your QB. Predictable, static, conservative play calling in the first half, better in the second half they were much less predictable. Taysom behind center running and throwing even if only there 1 time. Taking handoffs/toss in the backfield all of which puts more pressure on the defenses. The guy is Beast running the ball especially when he get a head steam. Game plan him in something other than RPO that is statistically 99.9% Run so far this season. Let’s play and game plan to win 1st-4th quarter not only on offense but also on defense. Prevent defenses are a holdover philosophy from a bygone era in the NFL. If you have a good defense why take away their ability to control the out come rather than being a passive participant. 2 down 21 to go. dizzle88 likes this.

09-19-2023, 03:41 PM	#6
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,695	Re: Saints @ Panthers Game Day Thread Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat One question with the offensive play calling that I have, where are the screen plays, so far nonexistent. Is that because of the limited backfield options? It has always been one of tool available in preventing the Defense from teeing off on your QB. Predictable, static, conservative play calling in the first half, better in the second half they were much less predictable. Taysom behind center running and throwing even if only there 1 time. Taking handoffs/toss in the backfield all of which puts more pressure on the defenses. The guy is Beast running the ball especially when he get a head steam. Game plan him in something other than RPO that is statistically 99.9% Run so far this season. Let’s play and game plan to win 1st-4th quarter not only on offense but also on defense. Prevent defenses are a holdover philosophy from a bygone era in the NFL. If you have a good defense why take away their ability to control the out come rather than being a passive participant. 2 down 21 to go. Agreed, the Defense had them on the ropes the entire game. The "prevent" defense didn't prevent anything. The Panthers marched 70 yards in 50 seconds, using zero timeouts and scoring a TD. WW_Who_Dat likes this.

09-19-2023, 04:01 PM	#7
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,286 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints @ Panthers Game Day Thread Originally Posted by dizzle88 Agreed, the Defense had them on the ropes the entire game. The "prevent" defense didn't prevent anything. The Panthers marched 70 yards in 50 seconds, using zero timeouts and scoring a TD. I said last night, I think one or more of the defensive captain will have conversations with DA about statistically diminishing an outstanding performance with that kind of dated defense that seldom accomplishes it stated purpose. Last night only thing it prevented was a 20-9 win.

09-19-2023, 04:03 PM	#8
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,242	Re: Saints @ Panthers Game Day Thread Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat One question with the offensive play calling that I have, where are the screen plays, so far nonexistent. Is that because of the limited backfield options? It has always been one of tool available in preventing the Defense from teeing off on your QB. Predictable, static, conservative play calling in the first half, better in the second half they were much less predictable. Taysom behind center running and throwing even if only there 1 time. Taking handoffs/toss in the backfield all of which puts more pressure on the defenses. The guy is Beast running the ball especially when he get a head steam. Game plan him in something other than RPO that is statistically 99.9% Run so far this season. Let’s play and game plan to win 1st-4th quarter not only on offense but also on defense. Prevent defenses are a holdover philosophy from a bygone era in the NFL. If you have a good defense why take away their ability to control the out come rather than being a passive participant. 2 down 21 to go. They drafted somebody like Chris Olave who masterfully ran the bubble screen at Ohio State and rarely use it. He scored the one time we ran it (stepped out of bounds though). Shaheed runs the bubble screen well too because he’s so great in open field. MT can run tunnel screens on the goal line. There’s so many things we can do with this offense and we just don’t. Carr missed a lot of open guys, but still. I do like Taysom Hill having the option to through that bubble to Shaheed on those two draw plays. Love that design. I also like Taysom Hill in the backfield as an actual running back. He’s an excellent power back. That honestly needs to be his position. AsylumGuido likes this.
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09-19-2023, 04:25 PM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,953	Re: Saints @ Panthers Game Day Thread The issue with screens, if I'm not mistaken, is that it takes a great deal of coordination and execution by the offensive line to not only sell it, but to carry out their individual roles off the line. If we are still working on getting the basic pass blocking down how can we expect execution of the screen yet? I suspect it will all be coming and wish we could get this all hammered out in the preseason, but times they have changed.