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Saints didn't have it today. Maybe we're beginning to realize they're not the team we hoped them to be. Sad display on so many levels, lack of effort by many and all.

Do we suck again?

Looks like it

On to next week .

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We suck. Clean house, all the way up to the top.

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Yeah we suck, not just offensively, D isn't as good as we thought.

We just played 2 bad teams to open the season which made the D line look good.

Zero pass rush Vs GB or TB.

Clean house is needed.

Dennis Allen is not a winning head coach, Pete C has no place as an OC and Derek doesn't fit whatever offense this is supposed to be.

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Injuries and disappointment persist whether it be the Saints or the Pels. It’s a reflection of poor ownership and decision making that trickles all the way down. This is a **** show.

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COACHING.

I refuse to believe our players are as bad as what we've seen over the last
four weeks. Lethargic offense, no continuity, no rhythm, predictable.

FYI, Derek Carr isn't as good as many believe he is. Just average.

And we haven't even played the good teams yet.

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We should immediately give Dennis Allen permission to negotiate with the Denver Broncos for the position of defensive coordinator. It would benefit everyone.

We should give Pete Carmichael and Doug Marrone permission to negotiate with Walmart for the position of greeter.

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Maybe we should have given Eric Bienemy a closer look.

Washington can put up points (game is in OT vs Philly - tied at 31).

IDK, but this team ain't good enough.

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That was tough to watch today!

As things are its hard to see where the next Saints TD will come from!

I didn't buy into all the hype before the season kicked off and it looks like we have a long way to go to live up to it!

At least there is still a lot of the season left but they really need to step things up for us to have any chance of getting a winning record let alone making the playoffs!

Hopefully we will improve against the Patriots perhaps!

Never easy being a Saints fan! lol!

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So much of the offense looks to be completely unimaginative, then when something is working and there is some flow to the offensive … nah do something that fools no one and the offense is back in 3rd and long.

Look like we had the zone run working and then … nah let throw a swing pass to 41 7 yards deep in the back field … or 3rd and short let’s throw a go routes?

It can’t get worst … or maybe we hope it does and the offensive and defensive Coordinators walk the plank.

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Billy Joe Carr is washed up

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Out of the weeds, watching the trends.

1. There is no leadership
2. We know why Sean called plays and why no one stole Pete.
3. It has been 7 Quarters of football since we scored a TD.
4. Defense has allowed 44 points the last 5 quarters of football.

I was scoffed at when I said making Dennis Allen HC weakened us both offensively and defensively. We have good players but they can’t overcome bad play calling


I really wish I were wrong. :chug:

Re: Observations from the Saints Loss to the Bucs before Halftime…
 

There was a reason why some of us wanted a total reboot prior to signing Carr. With that ship sailed, we just have to deal with it. Draft explosive young talent(I wanted Achane so bad), look for innovative offensive coordinator, build up that offensive line, and build some depth behind our aging defensive stars.

That sounds so depressing. There’s so much work that needs to be done. How we won those two ugly wins were not sustainable over a course a a season. You can dress the pig up as much as you want and it’s still a pig.

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This is what happens when your team is coached by gomers.

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All sorts of positive insights to take away from this fine display of losing. :beatnik:

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I had misgiving but was willing to give DA/PC 1 last chance … My support was a mistake … At this point nothing to lose clean house with different coaching what we really have for talent … Should be on phone to Gruden ASAP.

The defense can’t defend a 9 point juggernaut offense.

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[QUOTE=TheOak;982042]Out of the weeds, watching the trends.

1. There is no leadership
2. We know why Sean called plays and why no one stole Pete.
3. It has been 7 Quarters of football since we scored a TD.
4. Defense has allowed 44 points the last 5 quarters of football.

I was scoffed at when I said making Dennis Allen HC weakened us both offensively and defensively. We have good players but they can’t overcome bad play calling


I really wish I were wrong.

I had misgiving but was willing to give DA/PC 1 last chance … My support was a mistake … At this point nothing to lose clean house with different coaching and see what we really have for talent … Should be on phone to Gruden ASAP.

The defense can’t defend a 9 point juggernaut offense.

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Yeah… “they made improvements to the stadium…” LMFAO

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How can DCarr throw damn near 40 times and not eclipse 200 yards & 0 TDs? Raider fans were on to something.

He's average folks. Nothing special.

And it's time for Ronald Curry to take over the play calling.

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It would be horrible mistake to let Curry call plays without firing Carmichael. What if Curry is good and we win some games? The end results is Curry saves Carmichael and DA's jobs, then at the end of the season Curry signs with a division rival as OC and we are back to Carmichael and DA and the same sorry result. If Carmichael needs someone junior to him to call plays, Carmichael needs to be gone and that person needs the OC title.

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Quick getaway exits … high speed escalators.

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Invisible boo buffers and stank filters

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On special teams ...

Call Blake Gillikin back. This new punter sucks bad.

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In the press conference, DA was asked if they are looking at changing who calls plays.

His response "we aren't even going there"

Guy has no clue.

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As if we need a reason to get rid of him.

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If Gayle is ok with this, maybe she could buy the Plaza Tower too. She could be the interior decorator for the renovation, and she could make the careful business decision to leave everything the same. The sales team will just need to execute on convincing tenants that its modern, just like the Saints offense and Zions knees. Guido could be her sales manager.

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He’s got to go. PERIOD.

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Carr is really bad.inaccurate, holds the ball too long and indecisive. Our line played better than usual today and we have too much speed and too many weapons to not be able to move the ball. We are going to waste the last good years of Jordan, Kamara, and Thomas at this rate. I’m ready to put in Winston at this point. The team loves him and he may just be able to give them a spark. If people want to defend Carr because of his injury fine, that’s just another reason Winston needs to be in there. Our defense isn’t as good as I thought. Tampa came up with a good game plan that kept them on the field all day and our offense didn’t give them any help. Today wouldn’t be such a big deal but pair it with two decent leads we blew and it’s worrisome.
At the end of the day we have the talent to win games, or at the very least look like a team that belongs in the NFL. The only place to point the finger is at the coaches. A statement needs to be made if Gail wants to continue to put a product on the market that makes money. I can handle losses if the game is entertaining but this team just isn’t fun to watch. Allen needs to go and I mean now. At the very least Pete.

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Gotta hand it to Carmichael. I never thought a three-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust passing game was possible. He pulled it off!

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I heard the commentators on the Dallas-Pats game mention Belichek was looking for his 300th regular season win today; I've got a pretty good idea which team will provide it to him and when!

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How did this guy get the job over Gillikin anyway? I don't get it.

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I'll be honest, Blake had a poor camp. Shanked (but correctable with coaching) a few but still has a BOOMING leg. The new guy was equally bad in pre season.

IMO they gave up on Blake G way too soon ... just 2 seasons ago he was talked about as a Pro Bowl punter. He was punting that well.

So far, Hedley (new guy) simply isn't flipping the field for us at all.

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Marquette King is around.

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Lol

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Tough game to watch today.

Seemed like a few times the offense got a rhythm, and then Carmicheal would switch to a predictable set of downs with Taysom Hill.

Several throws where Carr and receivers were on different pages.

Defense held strong as long as they could.

Overall it looked like there was no fire in this team

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Dennis Allen steady harping on the defense...
Man this is too much to try and unravel when all he does is bump his gums.

They were scared to let Jameis make them look like an ass.
Period

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He's a defensive coordinator not a f****** coach

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Watching SNF (Jets/Chiefs) and Zach Wilson move the ball down the field and score but Carr can't.

Frustrating.

2.5 seconds the ball is GONE.

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This is a good segment. Starting around 5:15, Nick pretty much outlines what the problem is offensively. Pete Carmichael.

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Only thing this dude needed to say tonight is “I’m sorry” and “I’m leaving”

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How can a team with so much talent lose in such convincing fashion that they make a depleted division opponent look like world beaters? Play calling and failure to make adjustments? How many times do we have to see this?

This team should be 4-0. Instead, they are struggling to stay relevant! Fortunately, it's only game 4... but ONLY if they change things up.