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Sinner 10-08-2023 04:43 PM
Re: Saints at Patriots LIVE Gameday Thread
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 982756)
Woah! Pump your brakes there. ALL of Bill's record and skins came with Tom Brady at the helm.

Bill Belichick's record without Brady on the roster is a combined 67-83. The last I checked that is NOTHING (sub .500) long term as HC over a ten year stretch.

The back to back games we "stunk it up" consisted of a game where we had a 17 point lead when losing our starting QB and the next game where our starting QB played with one day of limited practice.
Bill made a LOT MORE happen than Brady.
Dennis makes a LOT LESS happen than Bill.
Our starting QB will never be Brady.
Our Head Coach will never be Belichick.
Our poorly coached team beat a tired coach with a bad team today.
It’s going to give our Coaching Staff a hollow pass for awhile.
Congratulations.

K Major 10-08-2023 05:04 PM
Re: Saints at Patriots LIVE Gameday Thread
 
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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 982758)
And Lombardis on his mantle.
Yes sir.

vpheughan 10-08-2023 05:09 PM
Re: Saints at Patriots LIVE Gameday Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 982760)
Bill made a LOT MORE happen than Brady.
Dennis makes a LOT LESS happen than Bill.
Our starting QB will never be Brady.
Our Head Coach will never be Belichick.
Our poorly coached team beat a tired coach with a bad team today.
It’s going to give our Coaching Staff a hollow pass for awhile.
Congratulations.
Is that Don Henley in the background?

Kick 'em when they're up
Kick 'em when they're down
Kick 'em when they're up
Kick 'em when they're down

Kick 'em when they're up
Kick 'em when they're down
Kick 'em when they're stiff
Kick 'em all around

(Kick 'em when they're up)
(Kick 'em when they're down)
(Kick 'em when they're up)
(Kick 'em when they're down)

(Kick 'em when they're up)
(Kick 'em when they're down)
(Kick 'em when they're stiff)
(Kick 'em all around)

Sinner 10-08-2023 05:19 PM
Re: Saints at Patriots LIVE Gameday Thread
 
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Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 982764)
Is that Don Henley in the background?

Kick 'em when they're up
Kick 'em when they're down
Kick 'em when they're up
Kick 'em when they're down

Kick 'em when they're up
Kick 'em when they're down
Kick 'em when they're stiff
Kick 'em all around

(Kick 'em when they're up)
(Kick 'em when they're down)
(Kick 'em when they're up)
(Kick 'em when they're down)

(Kick 'em when they're up)
(Kick 'em when they're down)
(Kick 'em when they're stiff)
(Kick 'em all around)
By all means… KEEP KICKIN

Boston Saint 10-08-2023 05:30 PM
Re: Saints at Patriots LIVE Gameday Thread
 
Shot from my seat for the game.

AsylumGuido 10-08-2023 06:08 PM
Re: Saints at Patriots LIVE Gameday Thread
 
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Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo (Post 982757)
Aints are terrible. Line is terrible. Coaches need to be fired. Pitiful team wasting the skill players they have.
Good thing we have the Saints instead of the Aints.

:bng:

AsylumGuido 10-08-2023 06:11 PM
Re: Saints at Patriots LIVE Gameday Thread
 
We win on the road against what some claim is the greatest coach in the history of football by a score of 34-0 and the haters keep hating.

:D

Yup, there is one given in life ...

Haters Gonna Hate

AsylumGuido 10-08-2023 06:13 PM
Re: Saints at Patriots LIVE Gameday Thread
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 982768)
Shot from my seat for the game.
I was going to ask how great it was to be there, Boston! I knew you were supposed to be at the game.

:bng:

leilung 10-08-2023 06:27 PM
Re: Saints at Patriots LIVE Gameday Thread
 
In all seriousness, everyone was saying this was NOT the place to play a 'get right' game. Keep moving those chains baby!

AsylumGuido 10-08-2023 06:33 PM
Re: Saints at Patriots LIVE Gameday Thread
 
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Originally Posted by leilung (Post 982777)
In all seriousness, everyone was saying this was NOT the place to play a 'get right' game. Keep moving those chains baby!
I know. And the same people are complaining that a 34-0 win was a disappointment. This is the NFL. A shut out win, on the road especially, is something special.

leilung 10-08-2023 07:32 PM
Re: Saints at Patriots LIVE Gameday Thread
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 982779)
I know. And the same people are complaining that a 34-0 win was a disappointment. This is the NFL. A shut out win, on the road especially, is something special.
Especially against Belichick! No mean feat, no matter how bad his QB is!:bng:

TheOak 10-09-2023 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 982738)
Forget the shutout I think you pull a lot of starters here.
If you assume we are playing better which has a lot to do with timing, you’ll want to leave them in. The line needs rep time and Kamara has been on the sidelines.

BakoSaint 10-09-2023 09:45 AM
Re: Saints at Patriots LIVE Gameday Thread
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 982756)
Woah! Pump your brakes there. ALL of Bill's record and skins came with Tom Brady at the helm.

Bill Belichick's record without Brady on the roster is a combined 67-83. The last I checked that is NOTHING (sub .500) long term as HC over a ten year stretch.

The back to back games we "stunk it up" consisted of a game where we had a 17 point lead when losing our starting QB and the next game where our starting QB played with one day of limited practice.
The first 2 games where we were 2-0 and prohibitive Super Bowl favorites we won by a combined 4 points against 2 lousy teams that were both 7-10 last year and are a combined 2-7 this year.

Bill Belichick's career record without Brady is still a lot better than DA's overall or with Carr. Belichick discovered numerous stars other teams missed like Welker, Gronk, rehabilitating Moss when he looked done, converting Edelman from QB, etc. Belichick innovated a lot. He also avoided salary cap hell over the years by moving on from players before they passed their prime. He was a great coach along with Brady as a great QB. But coaches get old too and eventually their minds get less sharp and there is less time to start over. Eventually they want to go back to what worked in the past and rely on familiar faces who already know how to teach it. In all likelihood Belichick and Brady are both faded talents now. Brady just had a cheat code for 2020 in going to a team with tons of cap room and star players to put around him, and a coach in Bruce Arians who although not Belichick's equal was definitely a much better HC than Mac Jones turned out to be as QB. Arians was experienced, established in Tampa Bay, and did not have the pressure of turning himself into the next Bill Belichick just because he had an aging Tom Brady with initially low expectations. Mac Jones was a rookie in New England with the pressure of being the next Tom Brady alongside Belichick in a Pats uniform.

Most head coaches records come with a certain QB. So I don't think you can take much away from Belichick. Likewise just because Phil Jackson was able to win again with the Lakers and Jordan was not able to win again with the Wizards, I don't think you can say Michael Jordan was no good because of his mediocre record in Washington and the fact that all of his 6 championships came with Phil Jackson who proved he was the real winner by winning elsewhere. Bill Belichick is the Michael Jordan of head coaches, but this is the Wizards era of his talent.

Papa Voodoo 10-09-2023 10:06 AM
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I was being facetious.

Sinner 10-09-2023 11:28 AM
Re: Saints at Patriots LIVE Gameday Thread
 
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 982819)
The first 2 games where we were 2-0 and prohibitive Super Bowl favorites we won by a combined 4 points against 2 lousy teams that were both 7-10 last year and are a combined 2-7 this year.

Bill Belichick's career record without Brady is still a lot better than DA's overall or with Carr. Belichick discovered numerous stars other teams missed like Welker, Gronk, rehabilitating Moss when he looked done, converting Edelman from QB, etc. Belichick innovated a lot. He also avoided salary cap hell over the years by moving on from players before they passed their prime. He was a great coach along with Brady as a great QB. But coaches get old too and eventually their minds get less sharp and there is less time to start over. Eventually they want to go back to what worked in the past and rely on familiar faces who already know how to teach it. In all likelihood Belichick and Brady are both faded talents now. Brady just had a cheat code for 2020 in going to a team with tons of cap room and star players to put around him, and a coach in Bruce Arians who although not Belichick's equal was definitely a much better HC than Mac Jones turned out to be as QB. Arians was experienced, established in Tampa Bay, and did not have the pressure of turning himself into the next Bill Belichick just because he had an aging Tom Brady with initially low expectations. Mac Jones was a rookie in New England with the pressure of being the next Tom Brady alongside Belichick in a Pats uniform.

Most head coaches records come with a certain QB. So I don't think you can take much away from Belichick. Likewise just because Phil Jackson was able to win again with the Lakers and Jordan was not able to win again with the Wizards, I don't think you can say Michael Jordan was no good because of his mediocre record in Washington and the fact that all of his 6 championships came with Phil Jackson who proved he was the real winner by winning elsewhere. Bill Belichick is the Michael Jordan of head coaches, but this is the Wizards era of his talent.
Comparing Allen to Belichick would be like comparing Carr to Brady.
I am very happy with a shut out WIN on the road, against a bad team with an old and tired coach, but let’s not get carried away.


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