Observations from the Saints win vs Patriots

SaintFanInATLHELL · 10-09-2023, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

I have to call you out on this.

Look, when the initial reports on the drama around MT's injury and the coaches came out, I was hard on him too. I believed what was written and wanted him off the team.

But since then, it's impossible not to see how coaches, players and reporters alike have all supported MT and echoed his importance to this team.

A Prima Donna is defined as "A temperamental, conceited person". All I've seen from MT is a guy who supports his coaches, fights for his team and wants to win more than anything else.

At this point you're grinding an axe that running out of metal

Just reiterating what I said before. mapcow has made it clear that certain players are nonredeemable in his eyes and that they need to be gone. Production doesn't matter. If MT13 caught 160 balls for 2000 yards and 20 TD's this year he would still be the the "Prima donna that can't stay on the field and isn't a team player."

So, don't bother with it. Note that mapcow even liked my post where I stated exactly this.

SFIAH

mapcow · 10-10-2023, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Just reiterating what I said before. mapcow has made it clear that certain players are nonredeemable in his eyes and that they need to be gone. Production doesn't matter. If MT13 caught 160 balls for 2000 yards and 20 TD's this year he would still be the the "Prima donna that can't stay on the field and isn't a team player."

So, don't bother with it. Note that mapcow even liked my post where I stated exactly this.

SFIAH

should have cut bait 3 years ago.

AsylumGuido · 10-10-2023, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by mapcow

should have cut bait 3 years ago.

Like you incorrectly swore we were going to 3 years ago and every year since?

No wonder you are so bitter being so terribly wrong all of this time. It must eat away at you after all of the time and energy you've given this campaign of hate toward Thomas. One would almost feel sorry for you. Not quite, but almost.

mapcow · 10-10-2023, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Like you incorrectly swore we were going to 3 years ago and every year since?

No wonder you are so bitter being so terribly wrong all of this time. It must eat away at you after all of the time and energy you've given this campaign of hate toward Thomas. One would almost feel sorry for you. Not quite, but almost.

Man... you are dumb. No hate, just reality. Thomas has not done squat for this Team since he got a bo bo on his toe ...

K Major · 10-10-2023, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by mapcow

Man... you are dumb. No hate, just reality.

Map I wouldn't even waste my time. Year after year he gets into middle school conversations with members on this board.

A pattern of repeated behavior. Narcissistic personality disorder.

George (Saintfan) warned us.

mapcow · 10-10-2023, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Map I wouldn't even waste my time. Year after year he gets into middle school conversations with members on this board.

A pattern of repeated behavior. Narcissistic personality disorder.

George (Saintfan) warned us.

Noted!

AsylumGuido · 10-10-2023, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Map I wouldn't even waste my time. Year after year he gets into middle school conversations with members on this board.

A pattern of repeated behavior. Narcissistic personality disorder.

George (Saintfan) warned us.

You and "George" need to find a quiet place and curl up together.

The dude was ruining every thread on the forum with his childish repeated behavior and he took his ball and went home when told to stop by the mods. The dude had his own major obsessive issues.

K Major · 10-10-2023, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You and "George" need to find a quiet place and curl up together. The dude was ruining every thread on the forum with his childish repeated behavior and he took his ball and went home when told to stop by the mods. The dude had his own major obsessive issues.

AG,

You can go F*** yourself.

You don’t tell anyone when or where to go.

You play with kids, not me.

TheOak · 10-10-2023, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

If MT13 caught 160 balls for 2000 yards and 20 TD's this year he would still be the the "Prima donna that can't stay on the field and isn't a team player."

SFIAH

That is an interesting question, I had to rationalize my answer with my actions and not my feelings.

On the surface, I did not draft MT this year in fantasy because he has no consistency. So for same reasons I find "Power Rankings" before the start of a season absurd and useless, performance last year doesn't define next year.

Thinking abut it deeper, the MT question is not just about MT is it? QB accuracy and play calling weigh heavily into that equation and what we have doesn't move the needle into a favorable direction for me.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 10-10-2023, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

That is an interesting question, I had to rationalize my answer with my actions and not my feelings.

On the surface, I did not draft MT this year in fantasy because he has no consistency. So for same reasons I find "Power Rankings" before the start of a season absurd and useless, performance last year doesn't define next year.

Thinking abut it deeper, the MT question is not just about MT is it? QB accuracy and play calling weigh heavily into that equation and what we have doesn't move the needle into a favorable direction for me.

You sort of missed my point. To Mapcow, MT13 is all about feelings, and nothing about production. Even if now he was consistent and productive, because of the feelings about the player, he would still be dismissed by some. Nothing else matters.

As for the Saints as a whole, it's all about consistency now. They have the talent. They certainly have the scheme on defense. Carmichael seems to be trying. Injuries haven't been terrible yet. But there just can't be 4th quarters to the Packers, or entire games for the offense to the Bucs. Everyone needs to do their job for 4 quarters each and every game for the team to move where they need to go.

When Brees was here, you could pretty much go into any game knowing the offense was going to put up 20 or more points before the game started. But now, each game offensively is currently a Forrest Gump's box of chocolates. The Saints have to decide offensively if they are going to be consistently explosive or find a way to consistently grind each drive. But the latter cannot have penalties, incompletes, or unproductive runs to be effective. And right now we just haven't seen either on any consistent basis.

It's a thing of beauty when everyone rows together, to the tune of a 34-0 shellacking of the Patriots. But the Saints are not currently the 49ers, which are putting up 35+ points each and every week as an unstoppable juggernaut. Consistency is the difference between the two.

SFIAH

10-09-2023, 06:39 PM	#1
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,789	Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Patriots Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 I have to call you out on this. Look, when the initial reports on the drama around MT's injury and the coaches came out, I was hard on him too. I believed what was written and wanted him off the team. But since then, it's impossible not to see how coaches, players and reporters alike have all supported MT and echoed his importance to this team. A Prima Donna is defined as "A temperamental, conceited person". All I've seen from MT is a guy who supports his coaches, fights for his team and wants to win more than anything else. At this point you're grinding an axe that running out of metal Just reiterating what I said before. mapcow has made it clear that certain players are nonredeemable in his eyes and that they need to be gone. Production doesn't matter. If MT13 caught 160 balls for 2000 yards and 20 TD's this year he would still be the the "Prima donna that can't stay on the field and isn't a team player." So, don't bother with it. Note that mapcow even liked my post where I stated exactly this. SFIAH leilung, Rugby Saint II and mapcow like this.

10-10-2023, 09:19 AM	#2
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,822	Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Patriots Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Just reiterating what I said before. mapcow has made it clear that certain players are nonredeemable in his eyes and that they need to be gone. Production doesn't matter. If MT13 caught 160 balls for 2000 yards and 20 TD's this year he would still be the the "Prima donna that can't stay on the field and isn't a team player." So, don't bother with it. Note that mapcow even liked my post where I stated exactly this. SFIAH should have cut bait 3 years ago.
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10-10-2023, 09:30 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,871	Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Patriots Originally Posted by mapcow should have cut bait 3 years ago. Like you incorrectly swore we were going to 3 years ago and every year since? No wonder you are so bitter being so terribly wrong all of this time. It must eat away at you after all of the time and energy you've given this campaign of hate toward Thomas. One would almost feel sorry for you. Not quite, but almost.

10-10-2023, 10:35 AM	#4
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,822	Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Patriots Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Like you incorrectly swore we were going to 3 years ago and every year since? No wonder you are so bitter being so terribly wrong all of this time. It must eat away at you after all of the time and energy you've given this campaign of hate toward Thomas. One would almost feel sorry for you. Not quite, but almost. Man... you are dumb. No hate, just reality. Thomas has not done squat for this Team since he got a bo bo on his toe ... K Major likes this.
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10-10-2023, 10:57 AM	#5
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,882 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Patriots Originally Posted by mapcow Man... you are dumb. No hate, just reality. Map I wouldn't even waste my time. Year after year he gets into middle school conversations with members on this board. A pattern of repeated behavior. Narcissistic personality disorder. George (Saintfan) warned us.

10-10-2023, 11:29 AM	#6
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,822	Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Patriots Originally Posted by K Major Map I wouldn't even waste my time. Year after year he gets into middle school conversations with members on this board. A pattern of repeated behavior. Narcissistic personality disorder. George (Saintfan) warned us. Noted! K Major likes this.
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10-10-2023, 12:32 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,871	Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Patriots Originally Posted by K Major Map I wouldn't even waste my time. Year after year he gets into middle school conversations with members on this board. A pattern of repeated behavior. Narcissistic personality disorder. George (Saintfan) warned us. You and "George" need to find a quiet place and curl up together. The dude was ruining every thread on the forum with his childish repeated behavior and he took his ball and went home when told to stop by the mods. The dude had his own major obsessive issues.

10-10-2023, 03:17 PM	#8
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,882 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Patriots Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You and "George" need to find a quiet place and curl up together. The dude was ruining every thread on the forum with his childish repeated behavior and he took his ball and went home when told to stop by the mods. The dude had his own major obsessive issues. AG, You can go F*** yourself. You don’t tell anyone when or where to go. You play with kids, not me.

10-10-2023, 11:58 AM	#9
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,059	Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Patriots Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL If MT13 caught 160 balls for 2000 yards and 20 TD's this year he would still be the the "Prima donna that can't stay on the field and isn't a team player." SFIAH That is an interesting question, I had to rationalize my answer with my actions and not my feelings. On the surface, I did not draft MT this year in fantasy because he has no consistency. So for same reasons I find "Power Rankings" before the start of a season absurd and useless, performance last year doesn't define next year. Thinking abut it deeper, the MT question is not just about MT is it? QB accuracy and play calling weigh heavily into that equation and what we have doesn't move the needle into a favorable direction for me. K Major likes this.

10-10-2023, 12:22 PM	#10
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,789	Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Patriots Originally Posted by TheOak That is an interesting question, I had to rationalize my answer with my actions and not my feelings. On the surface, I did not draft MT this year in fantasy because he has no consistency. So for same reasons I find "Power Rankings" before the start of a season absurd and useless, performance last year doesn't define next year. Thinking abut it deeper, the MT question is not just about MT is it? QB accuracy and play calling weigh heavily into that equation and what we have doesn't move the needle into a favorable direction for me. You sort of missed my point. To Mapcow, MT13 is all about feelings, and nothing about production. Even if now he was consistent and productive, because of the feelings about the player, he would still be dismissed by some. Nothing else matters. As for the Saints as a whole, it's all about consistency now. They have the talent. They certainly have the scheme on defense. Carmichael seems to be trying. Injuries haven't been terrible yet. But there just can't be 4th quarters to the Packers, or entire games for the offense to the Bucs. Everyone needs to do their job for 4 quarters each and every game for the team to move where they need to go. When Brees was here, you could pretty much go into any game knowing the offense was going to put up 20 or more points before the game started. But now, each game offensively is currently a Forrest Gump's box of chocolates. The Saints have to decide offensively if they are going to be consistently explosive or find a way to consistently grind each drive. But the latter cannot have penalties, incompletes, or unproductive runs to be effective. And right now we just haven't seen either on any consistent basis. It's a thing of beauty when everyone rows together, to the tune of a 34-0 shellacking of the Patriots. But the Saints are not currently the 49ers, which are putting up 35+ points each and every week as an unstoppable juggernaut. Consistency is the difference between the two. SFIAH AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.
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