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Sinner 10-18-2023 02:05 PM

DENNIS ALLEN…
 
Is 18-41 as Saints Head Coach.

Well?

papz 10-18-2023 02:12 PM

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We know.

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jnormand 10-18-2023 02:12 PM

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I mean he’s 18-41 overall throughout his head coaching career with the Saints and Raiders.

Trust me I’m not making an excuse for the guy. He seems like a solid DC. But he can’t seem to get it together as a HC.

That said, I think he’s going to get a lot more pressure to change OCs if the Saints continue to lose. IMO he’s gonna lose the locker room soon if he hasn’t already.

AsylumGuido 10-18-2023 02:30 PM

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Can't see the opening post but I can guess what it is. Same old story?

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SaintFanInATLHELL 10-18-2023 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 983595)
Is 18-41 as Saints Head Coach.

Well?

Technically that's not right. He's the Saints Head Coach. He has an career 18-41 record. 4 years of those games were with the Radiers. As the Saints Head coach he currently 10-13. Still not over .500. But certainly not 18-41.

SFIAH

Rugby Saint II 10-18-2023 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 983601)
Technically that's not right. He's the Saints Head Coach. He has an career 18-41 record. 4 years of those games were with the Radiers. As the Saints Head coach he currently 10-13. Still not over .500. But certainly not 18-41.

SFIAH

That's right. He sucks! Just not a bad as some folks make him out to be. Is he terrible? Yes! Do we give him more to to right the ship? Nay! I say Nay! :nono:

Sinner 10-18-2023 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 983599)
Can't see the opening post but I can guess what it is. Same old story?

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“Just keep doing what you’re doing” Quido.

Sinner 10-18-2023 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 983596)

Problem is, that half dead horse will still be huffing and puffing on the sidelines as Head Coach Thursday Night, if not maybe two or three more seasons.

Sinner 10-18-2023 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 983604)
That's right. He sucks! Just not a bad as some folks make him out to be. Is he terrible? Yes! Do we give him more to to right the ship? Nay! I say Nay! :nono:

He could be 18-2300, and y’all still be complaining about turf toe. LMFAO

Sinner 10-18-2023 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 983601)
Technically that's not right. He's the Saints Head Coach. He has an career 18-41 record. 4 years of those games were with the Radiers. As the Saints Head coach he currently 10-13. Still not over .500. But certainly not 18-41.

SFIAH

“Technically”, he $uck$. Literally.

CheramieIII 10-18-2023 05:03 PM

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HC and OC need to Geaux and if Carrbomb doesn’t do his job this game he needs to be on the bench and let the young guy play and I don’t mean Jamie either!!! This season will spin out of control very quickly if we don’t change now! We have a so easy schedule and the worst division in football and we’re 3-3! If you don’t see it and are still optimistic you are sheep!!! Yes, I said it!!!

AsylumGuido 10-18-2023 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CheramieIII (Post 983612)
HC and OC need to Geaux and if Carrbomb doesn’t do his job this game he needs to be on the bench and let the young guy play and I don’t mean Jamie either!!! This season will spin out of control very quickly if we don’t change now! We have a so easy schedule and the worst division in football and we’re 3-3! If you don’t see it and are still optimistic you are sheep!!! Yes, I said it!!!

With the way the line has been playing Carr is doing as well as possible. But, you are not serious about putting Haener out there after missing six weeks of practice and meetings, are you? Talk about a total **** show.

LOL!

CheramieIII 10-18-2023 05:19 PM

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We have a **** show now! We had a total of 4 offensive TD’s against the Patriots which almost matches our total offensive TD’s in the other 5 games! Not everything is about the line! How long did Carrbomb have in Vegas? why is Allen still the HC with an 18-41 record! We’ve gone back to the cheap era and they will all be fired at the end of the season anyway so what’s the difference!

AsylumGuido 10-18-2023 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CheramieIII (Post 983620)
We have a **** show now! We had a total of 4 offensive TD’s against the Patriots which almost matches our total offensive TD’s in the other 5 games! Not everything is about the line! How long did Carrbomb have in Vegas? why is Allen still the HC with an 18-41 record! We’ve gone back to the cheap era and they will all be fired at the end of the season anyway so what’s the difference!

Guess it's time to switch to another team then, huh? ;)

CheramieIII 10-18-2023 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 983623)
Guess it's time to switch to another team then, huh? ;)

Never said that and to try to belittle people for having a different opinion than the sheep is just ludicrous!!!

K Major 10-18-2023 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CheramieIII (Post 983627)
Never said that and to try to belittle people for having a different opinion than the sheep is just ludicrous!!!


Every, single, year.

A pattern. Sad.

CheramieIII 10-18-2023 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 983629)
Every, single, year.

A pattern. Sad.

What’s your point! Bad coaching and bad play needs to be corrected or it will never change! Rainbow hats all around!!!

iceshack149 10-18-2023 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CheramieIII (Post 983632)
What’s your point! Bad coaching and bad play needs to be corrected or it will never change! Rainbow hats all around!!!

I believe he’s referring to Guido, Cher.

Sinner 10-18-2023 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 983623)
Guess it's time to switch to another team then, huh? ;)

Amazing… How about we call for OUR TEAM to find a way to win. maybe you switch from opium and rose colored glasses, to a glass of clear water and reality.

BakoSaint 10-18-2023 10:19 PM

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If you look at their career winning percentages, both Carr and Winston are historically more reliable winners than Dennis Allen as a HC. I strongly believe Winston is a much better QB than DA is a coach. However, Carr is historically a bit better than Winston, and we gave Carr a guaranteed $30 million salary for 2024. Also, there is no salary cap for coaches and they salaries are small compared to players, a new coach would cost us less than Ruiz or Granderson. Maybe less than Juwon Johnson. It makes the most sense to replace the coach who is historically worse than Carr or Winston, has had more than twice as many games here to prove himself, and is financially easier to replace, and to see how Carr does with different coaching, and if Carr goes down how Winston or Haener does. I hope Haener is the next Brock Purdy or whatever but the odds are strongly against it. The hit rate on mid to late round QB's becoming stars has to be something like 1 in 20 and nobody in our building has identified a diamond in the rough at QB in 17 years. If there is any chance to keep any QB healthy it involves improved oline play, and against the cheapest possibility for improving oline play is new coaching.

Rugby Saint II 10-19-2023 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 983644)
If you look at their career winning percentages, both Carr and Winston are historically more reliable winners than Dennis Allen as a HC. I strongly believe Winston is a much better QB than DA is a coach. However, Carr is historically a bit better than Winston, and we gave Carr a guaranteed $30 million salary for 2024. Also, there is no salary cap for coaches and they salaries are small compared to players, a new coach would cost us less than Ruiz or Granderson. Maybe less than Juwon Johnson. It makes the most sense to replace the coach who is historically worse than Carr or Winston, has had more than twice as many games here to prove himself, and is financially easier to replace, and to see how Carr does with different coaching, and if Carr goes down how Winston or Haener does. I hope Haener is the next Brock Purdy or whatever but the odds are strongly against it. The hit rate on mid to late round QB's becoming stars has to be something like 1 in 20 and nobody in our building has identified a diamond in the rough at QB in 17 years. If there is any chance to keep any QB healthy it involves improved oline play, and against the cheapest possibility for improving oline play is new coaching.

Gayle Benson isn't afraid to spend money on the team and is happy writing checks to help them win. She considers it an investment I guess. Spend money on a good coach but not from inhouse. Our system is broken and hasn't worked since Drew was in his prime. It's past time to find a new coach!

mapcow 10-19-2023 03:36 PM

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[QUOTE=AsylumGuido;983623]Guess it's time to switch to another team then, huh? ;)[/QUOTE

Tool alert. :beatnik:

mapcow 10-19-2023 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 983629)
Every, single, year.

A pattern. Sad.

like losing.

mapcow 10-19-2023 03:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 983629)
Every, single, year.

A pattern. Sad.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 983635)
Amazing… How about we call for OUR TEAM to find a way to win. maybe you switch from opium and rose colored glasses, to a glass of clear water and reality.

cuz he likes losing.... don't y'all see that. :beatnik:

Sinner 10-19-2023 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mapcow (Post 983693)
cuz he likes losing.... don't y'all see that. :beatnik:

That’s Masochism.

mapcow 10-19-2023 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 983698)
That’s Masochism.

Who knows... maybe he got everyone fooled and bets against the Saints and is making bank. :beatnik:

Sinner 10-19-2023 10:46 PM

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We need a new Head Coach.

Sinner 10-19-2023 11:18 PM

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18-42… I may beat a dead horse, but his pencil lips keep flapping at Pressers.

dizzle88 10-19-2023 11:33 PM

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Dennis Allen's vaunted defense sh1t the bed Vs a good QB.

Jags averaged 9.1 yards per play at one point.

Offense is the same old story.

Jimmy Graham brought in to stand on the sideline, Jamaal Williams not getting meaningful touches. When they both excel in the redzone, exactly where our issues are.

I was excited for the Carr signing, really not sure what's happened. Get rid of PC first, bench Olave. If Carr doesn't improve then it's time to admit failures and move on.

DA - 18 and 42 as a head coach. How did Mickey think continuity was more important than proven success?

Done with this whole staff.

jnormand 10-19-2023 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 984090)
Dennis Allen's vaunted defense sh1t the bed Vs a good QB.

Jags averaged 9.1 yards per play at one point.

Offense is the same old story.

Jimmy Graham brought in to stand on the sideline, Jamaal Williams not getting meaningful touches. When they both excel in the redzone, exactly where our issues are.

I was excited for the Carr signing, really not sure what's happened. Get rid of PC first, bench Olave. If Carr doesn't improve then it's time to admit failures and move on.

DA - 18 and 42 as a head coach. How did Mickey think continuity was more important than proven success?

Done with this whole staff.

Actually I think it’s 18-43. Lol.

Still I liked what I saw in the 4th. Not enough for me to want PC next week. But the defense is still good and the offense is less offensive. Lol

Oh well. Lame team. Lame coach.

voodooido 10-19-2023 11:45 PM

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Bottom line is Allen needs to fire PC. If he wants to keep his job anyway. I thought the play calling was much better in the 2nd half but 1/2 of a game doesn’t mean you get to keep your job.

Sinner 10-19-2023 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 984093)
Bottom line is Allen needs to fire PC. If he wants to keep his job anyway. I thought the play calling was much better in the 2nd half but 1/2 of a game doesn’t mean you get to keep your job.

Why on earth would you want Allen to keep his job, with his record, percentage, and after what we’ve already been through? PC being a scapegoat is not going to fix what’s broken here, and y’all know it.

voodooido 10-20-2023 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 984094)
Why on earth would you want Allen to keep his job, with his record, percentage, and after what we’ve already been through? PC being a scapegoat is not going to fix what’s broken here, and y’all know it.

Because I could care less what he did before joining the saints. Truth is, the saints have one of the best defenses in the league. The offensive play calling sucks.

Sinner 10-20-2023 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 984109)
Because I could care less what he did before joining the saints. Truth is, the saints have one of the best defenses in the league. The offensive play calling sucks.

We need a new Head Coach.

BakoSaint 10-20-2023 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 984109)
Because I could care less what he did before joining the saints. Truth is, the saints have one of the best defenses in the league. The offensive play calling sucks.

If you care about what a coach did before joining the Saints, Gruden and Marvin Lewis were both above .500 before while Allen was well below .500. If you care about what a coach has done with the Saints, Allen is 4 games below .500 while Gruden, Lewis, Curry, Woods, etc are .500 as Saints head coaches. So no matter what you care about, DA is a loser.

The Dude 10-20-2023 03:44 PM

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Our problems
1. A HC that allows incompetent assistants to make the same mistake over and over.

2. An offensive coordinator who the game passed by years ago yet see problem #1

3. A Qb who has been “almost good” his entire career. He’s lost the locker room just like he did in LV. Offensive line looked a lot better to me yet he still held onto the ball too long and has accuracy issues.

This team is imploding and something serious needs to happen to turn things around. At LEAST one of the three above should not be on the sidelines or field next week. We have a mini bye and plenty of time to build a playbook around Winston. Not saying he will be better but at least the locker room will know the coaches have the teams best interest at heart and are willing to make big changes.
Winston could be a spark. It’s not unheard of for a team to make a change that winds up turning the entire team around. Nick Foles comes to mind and there have been others. ****, at least it would be something to look forward to. We ain’t got that now.

neugey 10-20-2023 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 984130)
Our problems
1. A HC that allows incompetent assistants to make the same mistake over and over.

2. An offensive coordinator who the game passed by years ago yet see problem #1

3. A Qb who has been “almost good” his entire career. He’s lost the locker room just like he did in LV. Offensive line looked a lot better to me yet he still held onto the ball too long and has accuracy issues.

This team is imploding and something serious needs to happen to turn things around. At LEAST one of the three above should not be on the sidelines or field next week. We have a mini bye and plenty of time to build a playbook around Winston. Not saying he will be better but at least the locker room will know the coaches have the teams best interest at heart and are willing to make big changes.
Winston could be a spark. It’s not unheard of for a team to make a change that winds up turning the entire team around. Nick Foles comes to mind and there have been others. ****, at least it would be something to look forward to. We ain’t got that now.


We need at least one of the 3 to change. It's like Tom Grossi says, a big job of the franchise is to sell it's fans hope. If all remains intact, the apocalyptic vibes will only increase.

SmashMouth 10-20-2023 04:47 PM

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So Saints hire Bienemy as HC?

The Dude 10-20-2023 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 984132)
So Saints hire Bienemy as HC?

I’m totally down. Should have done it to begin with.

CheramieIII 10-20-2023 06:41 PM

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I don’t care who we have as HC as long as the fire all the coaches and no friendships involved when we hire new ones!!! Carr needs to be second string! We need to draft our QB of the Future! I’m for Bo right now!!!


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