Re: Lutz vs Grupe Stats - Lutz is not playing better
 

Lol. MA? The legend?

I can still remember my dad always taking a quick "bathroom break" immediately on 4th down when we were in fg range. I would say "hey dad, you are going to miss this field goal try". My dad " ... son, that's 3, he ain't missing".

Good times. R.I.P. pops :(

MA was about as automatic as they come. Guess he has a yellow jacket & bust in Canton for a reason :bng:

Re: Lutz vs Grupe Stats - Lutz is not playing better
 

As great as we remember Morten Andersen, his career FG percentage with the Saints was 77.6% (302 for 389). At 18 for 25, Blake Grupe's career FG percentage sits at 78.3%, and is over half a percentage point better than Morten's. Just saying.

BTW, Morten's career percentage from 40+ yards was 62.1% (187 for 301). With Grupe's miss from 47 yards yesterday his percentage from 40+ is now 66.7% (8 for 12). Andersen was 40 of 84 from 50+ (47.6%) while Grupe is 4 of 6 for 66.7%.

As fans we have selective memories.

;)

Re: Lutz vs Grupe Stats - Lutz is not playing better
 

Fair point... what are the numbers in the clutch I wonder?

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Not sure how to find them. I do know from his career stats that Andersen improved from very mediocre numbers his first two seasons (19 of 29, 65.6%) to 88.6% his 4th season. I think we only remember Morten at his best. I know he missed his share and a number of them at critical times.

Re: Lutz vs Grupe Stats - Lutz is not playing better
 

It's a little tough to compare Morten to contemporary kickers IMO. Kicking from distance with reasonable accuracy was a scarcer commodity in those days and Morten's abilities were more valuable in the league.

Re: Lutz vs Grupe Stats - Lutz is not playing better
 

This is true.

Re: Lutz vs Grupe Stats - Lutz is not playing better
 

I feel like Lutz is more likely to make a kick in a clutch moment than Grupe. That is one of the big differences I see imo. Lutz seems to elevate in clutch moment, Grupe seems to shrink. It's a mental thing. You can throw out stats all you want.

Re: Lutz vs Grupe Stats - Lutz is not playing better
 

I for one, do NOT feel confident in relying on Gruppe in clutch situations. Once again, we've been spoiled by kickers for the past decade who have been pretty much automatic. It's a struggle, but who else is out there?

Re: Lutz vs Grupe Stats - Lutz is not playing better
 

I just remember the members here that were calling for Lutz's head last season when he missed 8 of 25 over 30 yards.

Re: Lutz vs Grupe Stats - Lutz is not playing better
 

Gould is the closest thing these days. But he's 40 I think. Plus his $ demands are up there too.

All we really have to do is go for two every time. I read somewhere where the probability average was way better than people thought in terms of being successful on a two point conversion.