Pete Carmichael analytics show you something.

TheOak · 02-05-2024, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

The O-line has to be priority #1 this offseason for the Saints. It seemed to regress a whole lot this past season. I know age had something to do with it but I'm a little surprised that Marrone is still employed by the Saints.

This is where the organization screwed up the most in my opinion. The O-Line should be at the top of everyone's radar every year because with out it you can neither run nor pass and you put your QBs health as well as ball security in jeopardy.

Know the quote from the movie Glengarry Glen Ross "ABCs, Always Be Closing"? Considering it takes 2-3 years to develop an offensive lineman in the NFL and their average career length is 3.6 years we should 'always be o-lining'.

SmashMouth · 02-05-2024, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

This is where the organization screwed up the most in my opinion. The O-Line should be at the top of everyone's radar every year because with out it you can neither run nor pass and you put your QBs health as well as ball security in jeopardy.

Know the quote from the movie Glengarry Glen Ross "ABCs, Always Be Closing"? Considering it takes 2-3 years to develop an offensive lineman in the NFL and their average career length is 3.6 years we should 'always be o-lining'.

It's not like they haven't been "O-Lining" ... Some have worked out, and some haven't. Armstead was a third rounder. Need we mention Jahri Evans, Carl Nicks, Joel Hilgenberg, Brad Edelman, Max Unger, Zach Strief, and many more?

Something's changed maybe in recent drafts with talent evaluation on the OL.

saintsfan1976 · 02-05-2024, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

It's not like they haven't been "O-Lining" ... Some have worked out, and some haven't. Armstead was a third rounder. Need we mention Jahri Evans, Carl Nicks, Joel Hilgenberg, Brad Edelman, Max Unger, Zach Strief, and many more?

Something's changed maybe in recent drafts with talent evaluation on the OL.

Penning, Ruiz and Peat are proof they should continue!

AsylumGuido · 02-05-2024, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

It's not like they haven't been "O-Lining" ... Some have worked out, and some haven't. Armstead was a third rounder. Need we mention Jahri Evans, Carl Nicks, Joel Hilgenberg, Brad Edelman, Max Unger, Zach Strief, and many more?

Something's changed maybe in recent drafts with talent evaluation on the OL.

Something has changed in college football over the last decade. New rules from the NCAA has limited greatly the number of hours a school can have contact with the "student athlete". That limit is now 20 hours a week in season of countable activities. Every program has dumbed down their offenses to where almost none of them play anything resembling a pro style scheme. We're not the only franchise having difficulty plugging draftees into the starting offensive line. It's happening all across the league. Teams are holding onto veterans longer and seeing players in that position group age 35 and beyond is becoming rather commonplace just out of sheer need.

K Major · 02-05-2024, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

It's not like they haven't been "O-Lining" ... Some have worked out, and some haven't. Armstead was a third rounder. Need we mention Jahri Evans, Carl Nicks, Joel Hilgenberg, Brad Edelman, Max Unger, Zach Strief, and many more?

Something's changed maybe in recent drafts with talent evaluation on the OL.

All I know is that this scouting team led by Jeff Ireland better "hit" on these 2024 picks. Make em all count. Especially that 1st rd pick. We need more quality starters (see Ramz, Olave, McCoy), not developmental guys.

Payton Turner, Trevor Penning (year #3), WTFoskey (essentially a rookie redshirt) Marcus Davenport's of the world are looking like huge 1st round "misses".

In rd 1, I don't have the expectation of getting a Hall of Famer draft pick but I do expect to get a QUALITY NFL starter. Anything above that is lagniappe.

It's time for another 2017 SAINTS NFL DRAFT CLASS.

TheOak · 02-05-2024, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

It's not like they haven't been "O-Lining" ... Some have worked out, and some haven't. Armstead was a third rounder. Need we mention Jahri Evans, Carl Nicks, Joel Hilgenberg, Brad Edelman, Max Unger, Zach Strief, and many more?

Something's changed maybe in recent drafts with talent evaluation on the OL.

I’m going to poke now. Andrus Peat - Are we really O-Lining as hard as we should be?

The offensive line is 5 positions, we typically carry 8-9 on the roster and 1-2 on the PS. Remember that screen game and how devastating it was? While Pierre Thomas screen vision was probably unmatched, that line had a lot to do with it as well. That screen game would have been even more devastating if Bush could have run 1/2 as much vertically as he did sideline to sideline.

You might see that the decline started trending when we started handing out giant contracts to ball handlers.

AsylumGuido · 02-05-2024, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I’m going to poke now. Andrus Peat - Are we really O-Lining as hard as we should be?

The offensive line is 5 positions, we typically carry 8-9 on the roster and 1-2 on the PS. Remember that screen game and how devastating it was? While Pierre Thomas screen vision was probably unmatched, that line had a lot to do with it as well. That screen game would have been even more devastating if Bush could have run 1/2 as much vertically as he did sideline to sideline.

You might see that the decline started trending when we started handing out giant contracts to ball handlers.

A major factor in the success of that line was the ability to play virtually every snap of every season as that same five man unit. A couple of years ago we had something like 12 or 13 different o-line configurations in 16 or 17 games.

02-05-2024, 10:53 AM	#2
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,926 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Pete Carmichael analytics show you something. Originally Posted by TheOak This is where the organization screwed up the most in my opinion. The O-Line should be at the top of everyone's radar every year because with out it you can neither run nor pass and you put your QBs health as well as ball security in jeopardy. Know the quote from the movie Glengarry Glen Ross "ABCs, Always Be Closing"? Considering it takes 2-3 years to develop an offensive lineman in the NFL and their average career length is 3.6 years we should 'always be o-lining'. It's not like they haven't been "O-Lining" ... Some have worked out, and some haven't. Armstead was a third rounder. Need we mention Jahri Evans, Carl Nicks, Joel Hilgenberg, Brad Edelman, Max Unger, Zach Strief, and many more? Something's changed maybe in recent drafts with talent evaluation on the OL.

02-05-2024, 11:18 AM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,674	Re: Pete Carmichael analytics show you something. Originally Posted by SmashMouth It's not like they haven't been "O-Lining" ... Some have worked out, and some haven't. Armstead was a third rounder. Need we mention Jahri Evans, Carl Nicks, Joel Hilgenberg, Brad Edelman, Max Unger, Zach Strief, and many more? Something's changed maybe in recent drafts with talent evaluation on the OL. Something has changed in college football over the last decade. New rules from the NCAA has limited greatly the number of hours a school can have contact with the "student athlete". That limit is now 20 hours a week in season of countable activities. Every program has dumbed down their offenses to where almost none of them play anything resembling a pro style scheme. We're not the only franchise having difficulty plugging draftees into the starting offensive line. It's happening all across the league. Teams are holding onto veterans longer and seeing players in that position group age 35 and beyond is becoming rather commonplace just out of sheer need. SmashMouth likes this.
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02-05-2024, 11:33 AM	#5
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,838 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Pete Carmichael analytics show you something. Originally Posted by SmashMouth It's not like they haven't been "O-Lining" ... Some have worked out, and some haven't. Armstead was a third rounder. Need we mention Jahri Evans, Carl Nicks, Joel Hilgenberg, Brad Edelman, Max Unger, Zach Strief, and many more? Something's changed maybe in recent drafts with talent evaluation on the OL. All I know is that this scouting team led by Jeff Ireland better "hit" on these 2024 picks. Make em all count. Especially that 1st rd pick. We need more quality starters (see Ramz, Olave, McCoy), not developmental guys. Payton Turner, Trevor Penning (year #3), WTFoskey (essentially a rookie redshirt) Marcus Davenport's of the world are looking like huge 1st round "misses". In rd 1, I don't have the expectation of getting a Hall of Famer draft pick but I do expect to get a QUALITY NFL starter. Anything above that is lagniappe. It's time for another 2017 SAINTS NFL DRAFT CLASS. SmashMouth likes this.

02-05-2024, 03:46 PM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,050	Re: Pete Carmichael analytics show you something. Originally Posted by SmashMouth It's not like they haven't been "O-Lining" ... Some have worked out, and some haven't. Armstead was a third rounder. Need we mention Jahri Evans, Carl Nicks, Joel Hilgenberg, Brad Edelman, Max Unger, Zach Strief, and many more? Something's changed maybe in recent drafts with talent evaluation on the OL. I’m going to poke now. Andrus Peat - Are we really O-Lining as hard as we should be? The offensive line is 5 positions, we typically carry 8-9 on the roster and 1-2 on the PS. Remember that screen game and how devastating it was? While Pierre Thomas screen vision was probably unmatched, that line had a lot to do with it as well. That screen game would have been even more devastating if Bush could have run 1/2 as much vertically as he did sideline to sideline. You might see that the decline started trending when we started handing out giant contracts to ball handlers.
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02-05-2024, 03:55 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,674	Re: Pete Carmichael analytics show you something. Originally Posted by TheOak I’m going to poke now. Andrus Peat - Are we really O-Lining as hard as we should be? The offensive line is 5 positions, we typically carry 8-9 on the roster and 1-2 on the PS. Remember that screen game and how devastating it was? While Pierre Thomas screen vision was probably unmatched, that line had a lot to do with it as well. That screen game would have been even more devastating if Bush could have run 1/2 as much vertically as he did sideline to sideline. You might see that the decline started trending when we started handing out giant contracts to ball handlers. A major factor in the success of that line was the ability to play virtually every snap of every season as that same five man unit. A couple of years ago we had something like 12 or 13 different o-line configurations in 16 or 17 games.

02-05-2024, 07:40 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,050	Re: Pete Carmichael analytics show you something. Originally Posted by iceshack149 The O-line has to be priority #1 this offseason for the Saints. It seemed to regress a whole lot this past season. I know age had something to do with it but I'm a little surprised that Marrone is still employed by the Saints. This is where the organization screwed up the most in my opinion. The O-Line should be at the top of everyone's radar every year because with out it you can neither run nor pass and you put your QBs health as well as ball security in jeopardy. Know the quote from the movie Glengarry Glen Ross "ABCs, Always Be Closing"? Considering it takes 2-3 years to develop an offensive lineman in the NFL and their average career length is 3.6 years we should 'always be o-lining'. Danno, saintsfan1976, SmashMouth and 2 others like this.

02-05-2024, 11:15 AM	#3
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,036 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Pete Carmichael analytics show you something. Originally Posted by SmashMouth It's not like they haven't been "O-Lining" ... Some have worked out, and some haven't. Armstead was a third rounder. Need we mention Jahri Evans, Carl Nicks, Joel Hilgenberg, Brad Edelman, Max Unger, Zach Strief, and many more? Something's changed maybe in recent drafts with talent evaluation on the OL. Penning, Ruiz and Peat are proof they should continue!