Sinner

Great idea. He should. But he won’t.

neugey

My full list of observations:
- Carr actually had one of his best games of the season. Low bar I know!
- Pete's calls are about as predictable as the program for a Missouri Synod Lutheran 9AM church service.
- Cam was hobbled and not able to give us anything. Now he'll probably be suffering from it the rest of the season. Stupid AF decisions.
- Run defense up the middle looked better. Off/outside tackle, not so much
- We've playing Baun out of position his whole career. He showed something on the pass rush, where he should be used all the time. He's been set to fail, feel kind of bad for him.
- Goff is more or less the QB we wanted Carr to be
- Lions defense is very suspect and it'll get harder against NYG and CAR who have nothing to lose.
- Pass protection wasn't too good, and we got away with some definite holding in our zebra-assisted comeback
- The Taysom shuffling has reached new heights of absurdity. ALWAYS pulled off the field after 1st down. Carr and Taysom probably burn as many calories running on and off the field as actually playing. Would it kill us to stick with one or the other for 4-5 plays in a row?!
- We're gonna get trapped by CAR and give Bryce Young something to build upon in his career, I can feel it. Too much parity in the league for CAR to finish with 1 win.

Sinner

Astute observations from eyes that are obviously less glazed than mine.
All I could see is $ucking A$$$$$.

BakoSaint

At the start of the post game press conference Dennis Allen vehemently refused to answer the question of whether they would think about resting Carr in light of the injuries he has built up, with the example that they did the same last year with Winston. All DA would do is angrily repeat over and over "those are totally different situations" and "I'm not going to get into the business of it" and "I won't compare."

The business difference he absolutely won't discuss or compare is the ridiculous salary he and his dim witted boss gave Derek Carr.

In the mob, when the answer would incriminate your boss, you take the fifth, or you swim with the fishes.

https://www.neworleanssaints.com/vid...e-week-13-2023

Sinner

How this dude is still in a position to be asked questions, blows my mind.

Rugby Saint II

Scott Shanle was saying that the team didn't quit and doesn't have character issues. He's right. I think I remember Mickey Loomis having drafted more team captains than any other team in the league.iirc We draft high character guys who don't quit when the chips are down and fight back. The problem is that the coaches don't have the same mentality as the players.

Once again, we don't have an Alpha male in the building that is a leader! We're either working with dollars and cents/cap geniuses or X's and O's personnel who have no clear direction or leadership.

Can anybody here fix a broken rudder?

In my best british accent...." You gave it a fine try boys. Just keep doin' what you're doin' and ignore the rising water. All is well....." Aaarrrgghhhh.......

Cruize

-Bet against the Saints today. Did not see any way they would win.
-Wasn't on my local channel. Chose not to drive the 30 miles necessary to watch them.
-Carr was a mistake.
-Allen is not a NFL Head Coach.
-If Hill came in after Carr's two exits, the Saints would be 7-5.
-The team has infinitely more talent than its record reflects.
-The Rookie needs to start the rest of the season at QB. If he has the skills, it will help the team with its abysmal cap situation. If he doesn't have the game, it will facilitate getting the future QB in the building through the draft.
-Allen and his staff are dead men walking. They should have been fired before the bye. Asking the players to show up and play for him is ridiculous. They deserve better.
-Loomis has done a HOF job for the franchise, but he needs to move on as well.
-I'm out. See y'all next year Good Lord willing and the creek don't rise. 😁
-Bought me a Texans hat today.

neugey

It'd be nice to see what Haener can do, but putting in the rookie and then taking him out every 3rd play for Taysom because that is Pete's MO gives Haener no chance to develop or learn.

Sinner

I would LOVE to see what Taysom, AK, Olave, Shaheed, and Jimmy Graham (remember him?) could do with “all the right people in the building”.

BakoSaint

I think many of the players actually do have character issues, and their battling back is actually consistent with the character issues they have. Listening to some of the players in their press conferences, I think Mickey Loomis and Dennis Allen have assembled a roster with many players who have the same attitude they do about winning and losing, that it doesn't matter, that we should not get down on ourselves or take it hard ever, and we can always work on it next week. Listening to the players post game press conferences last week and this week, hardly any of the players seem upset. Derek Carr did not care last week, he was laughing off what an incredible unexpected play the defender made to intercept him, when he answered with 0 TDs. Jameis Winston seems like the nicest guy in the world. Its like having Fred Rodgers as your backup QB. He didn't fight benching last year, doesn't want to go somewhere he could start, and in todays press conference he just stressed that the Saints coaches, players, and fans are all one family and just have to stick together to be happy. He can't fathom the concept that fans could be angry about bad management, coaching, and play, he just wants us to cheer happily forever so maybe they can win 8-9 games. We have seen in interviews that Kamara cares, and I bet that makes him a cap casualty or trade bait in the offseason. We don't see Kamara put in front of the camera on press conferences. So many of our players are just like Dennis Allen, glass is half full, we'll work on it, there are a lot of positives. CGJ would have none of this, he would put his reputation on the line trash talking St Brown and be mad as hell for a loss, thats why he was labeled a cancer, why he is gone. I think Dennis Allen is infecting the entire team with players who share his loser mentality, and we need to clean house as soon as possible.

The one upside of stacking the roster with players who don't care about winning or losing is that they can't be broken because they are always bending. If they get behind 21 points they won't stop trying as much as they always tried, because many of them don't care at all. Just like Jameis did not care about being benched. Just like Carr does not care about throwing interceptions. I have not heard Haener talk after a loss but I would guess he was drafted for the same mentality and likely shares it. Tom Brady would have none of this. He would not be all sunshine after a loss. We need winners, not a bunch of losers thinking the glass is half full at 5-7. Kamara is one of the only winners we have. And I respect Olave for showing some frustrations when we have struggled, it shows maybe he cares too.