Ramczyk’s Future In Doubt

AsylumGuido · 03-26-2024, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

One of the best OT draft in a long time - PFF

Let's draft 4 and let them duke it out. Unless more cap is cleared or we trade Lattimore for a tackle it's our only choice. Ram's knee is toast and barring a miracle turnaround Penning is not an option.

I'll bet you money that Penning will earn a starting spot.

BakoSaint · 03-26-2024, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I'll bet you money that Penning will earn a starting spot.

Would you like to bet money on the Saints record in those starts? We can take any regular season games Penning starts in 2024. If he starts none, or the Saints go .500 in his starts, its a wash. If the Saints are over .500 in his starts you win. If they are under, I win. $100?

The Saints actually were 3-2 with Penning starting in 2023 so you could look at this as a good bet. However, the 3 wins came 3 of the 7 worst teams in the NFL by 2023 record, and two were won by a field goal or less.

AsylumGuido · 03-26-2024, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Would you like to bet money on the Saints record in those starts? We can take any regular season games Penning starts in 2024. If he starts none, or the Saints go .500 in his starts, its a wash. If the Saints are over .500 in his starts you win. If they are under, I win. $100?

The Saints actually were 3-2 with Penning starting in 2023 so you could look at this as a good bet. However, the 3 wins came 3 of the 7 worst teams in the NFL by 2023 record, and two were won by a field goal or less.

Last I looked there are 53 players on the active roster. Only an idiot would bet an over or under win result on a single player. I'm not an idiot. Are you?

BakoSaint · 03-26-2024, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Last I looked there are 53 players on the active roster. Only an idiot would bet an over or under win result on a single player. I'm not an idiot. Are you?

Well, you said you would bet money that Penning will start, and followed that statement with a winking smiling emoji, implying that you are enthusiastic and optimistic about that prospect. I agree that Penning could start, but I am not optimistic about what would be the outcome if he does start. In your position, I would have chosen a different emoji to summarize my feeling about Penning starting, the one with two wide eyes expressing shock or worry.

Since you proposed a bet, but the specific difference in our opinion is on the effect of Penning starting, not the chance of Penning starting, I thought perhaps we could bet on that effect. Since you probably expect the Saints to win at least 10-12 games and you are excited about Penning as a starter, I thought we could bet on the Saints record in games Penning starts. It should be a pretty good deal for you because even if we repeat 9-8 and he starts every game, or he only starts 5 games and we go 3-2 in those games like last year, you win. The only way you lose is if my irrational fear of how Penning would perform as a starter materializes.

papz · 03-27-2024, 07:57 AM

“A few weeks ago, I was feeling a lot better about it, and yet I don’t know that I’m seeing as much progress as I was hoping to see at this point,” Allen said. “We got plenty of time. … We’re just going to have to wait and see how that all goes as we go through all the offseason and as we get into the training camp aspect.”

“There’s [a] long time before we kick the ball off,” Allen added. “I wouldn’t jump to any conclusions right now, but we’ll see how it goes over the next three, four, five, six months — whatever it is — before we get to the season.”

Link back

According to NFL Network's Ian Rapoport, New Orleans is "preparing for the real possibility" that former All-Pro offensive tackle Ryan Ramczyk will be medically unable to play during the 2024 season.

It comes as quite a surprise after head coach Dennis Allen said Ramczyk was doing better at the NFL Scouting Combine a few weeks ago. His tone quickly changed when he told reporters at the annual league meeting that Ramczyk's availability "remains to be seen."

Link

BakoSaint · 03-26-2024, 06:03 PM

I am just going to throw this out here even though it is sad to say in some ways. If the sole goal of the Saints front office was to win as many games as possible and get as much offensive production as possible without trading future 1st round picks or nuking the salary cap, there could be another option to improve at the offensive tackle position. While trading Lattimore is not going to get us anywhere with finding a tackle because he is already overpaid for his availability and ability, Lattimore is not the only player the Saints control on their roster. Although it would be a major blow to the team to trade an asset like Paulson Adebo or Chris Olave, their backups are much much better than Ryan Ramczyk or Andrus Peat's backups, and they would carry real trade value that could potentially net the Saints a young starting tackle or a high draft pick to acquire one. Of course one would rather trade Lattimore or Kamara, etc, but aging veterans on expensive contracts do not have as much trade value as name recognition. Bresee could be another option. If another NFL GM takes the positive view that his 2023 sack total was impressive and not the negative view that his PFF scores were mediocre and he is still listed as a backup, perhaps they would trade a late 1st round pick or starting tackle for him.

Perry or Taylor may not be great, but they sound a lot better as starters than Penning or Young.

spkb25 · 03-27-2024, 05:50 AM

How many more wins broncos have this year?

SP covered up the aging team, ****e dead money, and overall horrible financial management. Dennis Allen isn't your problem, lack of talent is and huge contracts for old guys.

I can smell it, you stink

AsylumGuido · 03-27-2024, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

How many more wins broncos have this year?

SP covered up the aging team, ****e dead money, and overall horrible financial management. Dennis Allen isn't your problem, lack of talent is and huge contracts for old guys.

I can smell it, you stink

I'm sure that stink is coming from somewhere much closer than you think. Why don't you crawl back into your hate hole, troll.

keithday123 · 03-28-2024, 08:54 AM

Is DA under any sort of obligation to give accurate details on a player in the offseason? For instance, do the Saints really want a Defensive End or some other position in the draft and are concerned that a team may try and move ahead of them to swipe a particular player. Maybe this news leaves teams with the impression that the Saints will definitely go O Line in the draft. Maybe just a reach but I know damn well if I were a coach or general manager I would never tell the truth if I didn’t have to.

AsylumGuido · 03-28-2024, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by keithday123

Is DA under any sort of obligation to give accurate details on a player in the offseason? For instance, do the Saints really want a Defensive End or some other position in the draft and are concerned that a team may try and move ahead of them to swipe a particular player. Maybe this news leaves teams with the impression that the Saints will definitely go O Line in the draft. Maybe just a reach but I know damn well if I were a coach or general manager I would never tell the truth if I didn’t have to.

This time of year is known as the "lying season" in the NFL. They talk about that all the time. You can't believe anything that is said. And, no, there is no obligation to give out any info on players except during the actual season.

03-26-2024, 05:00 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Ramczyk’s Future In Doubt Originally Posted by neugey One of the best OT draft in a long time - PFF Let's draft 4 and let them duke it out. Unless more cap is cleared or we trade Lattimore for a tackle it's our only choice. Ram's knee is toast and barring a miracle turnaround Penning is not an option. I'll bet you money that Penning will earn a starting spot.

03-26-2024, 06:05 PM	#2
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,303	Re: Ramczyk’s Future In Doubt Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I'll bet you money that Penning will earn a starting spot. Would you like to bet money on the Saints record in those starts? We can take any regular season games Penning starts in 2024. If he starts none, or the Saints go .500 in his starts, its a wash. If the Saints are over .500 in his starts you win. If they are under, I win. $100? The Saints actually were 3-2 with Penning starting in 2023 so you could look at this as a good bet. However, the 3 wins came 3 of the 7 worst teams in the NFL by 2023 record, and two were won by a field goal or less.
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03-26-2024, 06:27 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Ramczyk’s Future In Doubt Originally Posted by BakoSaint Would you like to bet money on the Saints record in those starts? We can take any regular season games Penning starts in 2024. If he starts none, or the Saints go .500 in his starts, its a wash. If the Saints are over .500 in his starts you win. If they are under, I win. $100? The Saints actually were 3-2 with Penning starting in 2023 so you could look at this as a good bet. However, the 3 wins came 3 of the 7 worst teams in the NFL by 2023 record, and two were won by a field goal or less. Last I looked there are 53 players on the active roster. Only an idiot would bet an over or under win result on a single player. I'm not an idiot. Are you?

03-26-2024, 07:10 PM	#4
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,303	Re: Ramczyk’s Future In Doubt Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Last I looked there are 53 players on the active roster. Only an idiot would bet an over or under win result on a single player. I'm not an idiot. Are you? Well, you said you would bet money that Penning will start, and followed that statement with a winking smiling emoji, implying that you are enthusiastic and optimistic about that prospect. I agree that Penning could start, but I am not optimistic about what would be the outcome if he does start. In your position, I would have chosen a different emoji to summarize my feeling about Penning starting, the one with two wide eyes expressing shock or worry. Since you proposed a bet, but the specific difference in our opinion is on the effect of Penning starting, not the chance of Penning starting, I thought perhaps we could bet on that effect. Since you probably expect the Saints to win at least 10-12 games and you are excited about Penning as a starter, I thought we could bet on the Saints record in games Penning starts. It should be a pretty good deal for you because even if we repeat 9-8 and he starts every game, or he only starts 5 games and we go 3-2 in those games like last year, you win. The only way you lose is if my irrational fear of how Penning would perform as a starter materializes.
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03-27-2024, 07:57 AM	#5
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,768	Re: Ramczyk’s Future In Doubt “A few weeks ago, I was feeling a lot better about it, and yet I don’t know that I’m seeing as much progress as I was hoping to see at this point,” Allen said. “We got plenty of time. … We’re just going to have to wait and see how that all goes as we go through all the offseason and as we get into the training camp aspect.” “There’s [a] long time before we kick the ball off,” Allen added. “I wouldn’t jump to any conclusions right now, but we’ll see how it goes over the next three, four, five, six months — whatever it is — before we get to the season.” Link back According to NFL Network's Ian Rapoport, New Orleans is "preparing for the real possibility" that former All-Pro offensive tackle Ryan Ramczyk will be medically unable to play during the 2024 season. It comes as quite a surprise after head coach Dennis Allen said Ramczyk was doing better at the NFL Scouting Combine a few weeks ago. His tone quickly changed when he told reporters at the annual league meeting that Ramczyk's availability "remains to be seen." Link
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03-26-2024, 06:03 PM	#6
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,303	Re: Ramczyk’s Future In Doubt I am just going to throw this out here even though it is sad to say in some ways. If the sole goal of the Saints front office was to win as many games as possible and get as much offensive production as possible without trading future 1st round picks or nuking the salary cap, there could be another option to improve at the offensive tackle position. While trading Lattimore is not going to get us anywhere with finding a tackle because he is already overpaid for his availability and ability, Lattimore is not the only player the Saints control on their roster. Although it would be a major blow to the team to trade an asset like Paulson Adebo or Chris Olave, their backups are much much better than Ryan Ramczyk or Andrus Peat's backups, and they would carry real trade value that could potentially net the Saints a young starting tackle or a high draft pick to acquire one. Of course one would rather trade Lattimore or Kamara, etc, but aging veterans on expensive contracts do not have as much trade value as name recognition. Bresee could be another option. If another NFL GM takes the positive view that his 2023 sack total was impressive and not the negative view that his PFF scores were mediocre and he is still listed as a backup, perhaps they would trade a late 1st round pick or starting tackle for him. Perry or Taylor may not be great, but they sound a lot better as starters than Penning or Young.
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03-27-2024, 05:50 AM	#7
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: Ramczyk’s Future In Doubt How many more wins broncos have this year? SP covered up the aging team, ****e dead money, and overall horrible financial management. Dennis Allen isn't your problem, lack of talent is and huge contracts for old guys. I can smell it, you stink MatthewT likes this.

03-27-2024, 08:15 AM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Ramczyk’s Future In Doubt Originally Posted by spkb25 How many more wins broncos have this year? SP covered up the aging team, ****e dead money, and overall horrible financial management. Dennis Allen isn't your problem, lack of talent is and huge contracts for old guys. I can smell it, you stink I'm sure that stink is coming from somewhere much closer than you think. Why don't you crawl back into your hate hole, troll.

03-28-2024, 08:54 AM	#9
keithday123 Texasaint Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 202	Re: Ramczyk’s Future In Doubt Is DA under any sort of obligation to give accurate details on a player in the offseason? For instance, do the Saints really want a Defensive End or some other position in the draft and are concerned that a team may try and move ahead of them to swipe a particular player. Maybe this news leaves teams with the impression that the Saints will definitely go O Line in the draft. Maybe just a reach but I know damn well if I were a coach or general manager I would never tell the truth if I didn’t have to.
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03-28-2024, 11:23 AM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Ramczyk’s Future In Doubt Originally Posted by keithday123 Is DA under any sort of obligation to give accurate details on a player in the offseason? For instance, do the Saints really want a Defensive End or some other position in the draft and are concerned that a team may try and move ahead of them to swipe a particular player. Maybe this news leaves teams with the impression that the Saints will definitely go O Line in the draft. Maybe just a reach but I know damn well if I were a coach or general manager I would never tell the truth if I didn’t have to. This time of year is known as the "lying season" in the NFL. They talk about that all the time. You can't believe anything that is said. And, no, there is no obligation to give out any info on players except during the actual season.

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