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Coach Eaux I hear is available, neaux? :rofl:

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We can't count on one good draft to restock the Shelves in one year though Guido. It's been done before but it's been a rare treat. 2006 and 2017 were good drafts.

The Saints have not drafted well lately. We have way too many draft picks sitting on the sideline being developed and not contributing or are flat out busts. A good draft would do wonders for the team. I have faith in Ireland to find the talent but I don't have faith in the staff to draft the right prospect.

Re: Nick Underhill expects the Saints to hire a new offensive coordinator in 2024
 

And yet, Demario Davis isn't good enough for the pro bowl...

Re: Nick Underhill expects the Saints to hire a new offensive coordinator in 2024
 

So, it takes two years. Every year is a new year with new opportunities.

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You are aware the Pro Bowl is a popularity contest, right? We have lazy fans. Did you place any votes for Davis or any of our other players, Rugs? I know I did on multiple occasions.

Re: Nick Underhill expects the Saints to hire a new offensive coordinator in 2024
 

More deserving over Fred Warner & Wagner?

I think it’s important to factor in the level of competition that these players went up against in 2023.

Demario is a dawg but I don’t see it as a snub.

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I can certainly see why so many of our fans aren’t grabbing pom poms and dressing up in black and gold tutus to vote in popularity contests like you, especially after the last two seasons of lazy football management by our organization.

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I did not have the enthusiasm to go vote this year, but I see your point. Small market teams that are disillusioned probably don't send a lot to the pro bowl.

Edit: I don't think our fans are lazy though. I think that most fans are feeling uninterested, and that's what comes after such high expectations to start the season. Saints fans are simply uninterested in the product the Saints have put out under Dennis Allen and the front office isn't offering any hope that there will be any changes coming soon. You may have heard that Mickey Loomis believes that we have the right people in the building.

Re: Nick Underhill expects the Saints to hire a new offensive coordinator in 2024
 

I wonder if there are any odds available in Vegas as to whether Pete Carmichael winds up in Denver? That's a bet I'd lie to get in on.

Re: Nick Underhill expects the Saints to hire a new offensive coordinator in 2024
 

Notice he never specified in what positions, though, did he?

;)

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Do you mean it takes two years to develop them? Since we develop so many small school program players that need a lot of work then they don't really have an impact until their contract year. It's kind of aggravating really. I agree we have had some success with DB's though.

Stop with all these reaches in the draft that we do every year and draft proven players from large programs that are well trained coming into the NFL.

Stop moving up in the draft for that one player we just have to have at all costs. And stop trading away draft picks rather than restocking the shelves with those picks and developing them.

Stop drafting based solely on the players raw athletic score. Measurables are valuable. I understand the benefits of the RAS but it's not the end all for evaluating players. A change needs to be made this offseason to either the scouting department or the decision makers who make the pick from their big board.

Re: Nick Underhill expects the Saints to hire a new offensive coordinator in 2024
 

You mean Jeff Ireland? From what I have gathered nobody in the coaching realm has anywhere near the input as did Sean Payton when it comes to the draft. That leaves Ireland these days.

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One good draft cannot take care of the age of our roster because the players we draft won't displace our older players. They can't because we can't afford the dead cap hits from not restructuring and extending our older players. Our core of aging and injury prone veterans will be retained because we have to restructure them all to get under the cap and can't afford to cut them. If we draft good young players they will likely displace other youngish players like Lynn Bowden, Trevor Penning, DMarco Jackson, Jordan Howden, Landon Young, etc. Also the Saints only have 2 picks in the first 4 rounds.

The average age of the roster is just an easy approximation for the aging of talent. In reality our problem is worse. Many of our starters, and especially our most talented and/or costly starters, are way over the hill for their positions or breaking down. This includes Carr, Jordan, Davis, Lattimore, Ram, Mathieu, and Kamara. We may be unable to move on from ANY of these players due to our salary cap situation. We could get a younger Punter or a younger 4th string TE but that won't matter much. To get younger in a useful way, teams need to move on from investing too much money in highly paid aging starters who are past their prime.

It's great that Davis had a great season but his age matters a lot. If he had that season at 27 we could expect many similar great seasons ahead. Having that great season at his current age, and our team still only being .500 with a historically easy schedule, means we could hit the jackpot on a an all pro defender in the draft and actually get worse, because age could finally catch up with Davis and he could quickly become a liability, and the all pro defender we add in the 1st round could simply be a break even. But because we are in cap hell and have to max restructure Davis's contract, we could owe more outstanding prorated dollars than ever, so we are actually worse off having the same talent for more total money.

We need to get meaningfully younger. To do that we need to be able to move on from some of our older players or downsize their salaries to be compatible with a decreasing role. Our salary cap situation and Cap Voldemort's management style prevent us from doing that. Our two picks in the first 4 rounds won't make up for a dozen veterans all getting a year older on the oldest team in the league.

There is a chance we will move on from Thomas, Peat, and Winston. However, we also may not, as there are probably situations where extending them to defer dead cap could save us a dollar against this years salary cap, and in Mickey Loomis's book $1 is enough to split a beer with Pete Carmicheal on ladies night. But moving on from those guys won't solve our problems (though giving them good money would make them worse). They are not starters except Peat. Thomas greatly helped our team by lighting a fire under Carr on Twitter and has made Carr a better player since. Winston is a relatively cheap veteran backup which is something most teams have. We really need to move on from the guys with mega deals to have a youth movement. Peat has actually been a good value after we finally ended the 5 year failed experiment of playing him at guard and realized he is a left tackle.

Re: Nick Underhill expects the Saints to hire a new offensive coordinator in 2024
 

The Pro Bowl is a popularity contest.

Re: Nick Underhill expects the Saints to hire a new offensive coordinator in 2024
 

One solid draft coupled with free agency could significantly improve our roster.

That may mean addition through subtraction i.e. Lattimore.

But I agree with you in that the approach has arguably led to a lack of depth that's shown up all season.

Re: Nick Underhill expects the Saints to hire a new offensive coordinator in 2024
 

This right here. This is a hubris pitfall a lot of teams fall into, they believe they have the talent on the coaching staff to polish that player or fix the broken parts and generally do not. We had a knack for it which I have not seen in some years.

Re: Nick Underhill expects the Saints to hire a new offensive coordinator in 2024
 

We still think like Sean Payton does. We think that we are the smartest people in the room. The problem is Sean Payton isn't in the room anymore. DA,and company are clueless.

Re: Nick Underhill expects the Saints to hire a new offensive coordinator in 2024
 

Maybe RAS is a proxy for eye candy and Mickey Loomis is basically just swiping right on Grinder in the draft. He prefers a certain body type.

Re: Nick Underhill expects the Saints to hire a new offensive coordinator in 2024
 

Now that's funny!

Re: Nick Underhill expects the Saints to hire a new offensive coordinator in 2024
 

Re: Nick Underhill expects the Saints to hire a new offensive coordinator in 2024
 

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I'd rather they take Loomis and the Saints promote Jeff Ireland.

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Yeah, Loomis has really fell from grace for a lot of fans the past few years now.

All this cap wizardry, but when it comes to making management decisions, he's shown to be a complete liability, content with mediocrity.

The way he's sided with Allen and essentially told the players "get in line or leave" is sickening

Re: Nick Underhill expects the Saints to hire a new offensive coordinator in 2024
 

I'm eyeballing Micky real hard going into next year. I still have faith...... but it's been tested mightily.

Re: Nick Underhill expects the Saints to hire a new offensive coordinator in 2024
 

The problem is that he did not do well in Miami as their GM. Yes, he can learn on the job. But did he? DA didn't learn enough under Sean Payton to get it right his second time around as head coach. I'm not sure if our drafting production justifies moving Ireland to GM. We simply have not drafted well lately. I'm unsure of where to point the finger because it is a collaborative effort between scouts and management.

Funny story. Ireland met Payton and Loomis at the Job Fair(Senior bowl) after he was fired by Miami. There is a picture of them floating around of them sitting together in the stands that year. He had an impact on that draft in 2015 and nailed the 2017 draft.

Re: Nick Underhill expects the Saints to hire a new offensive coordinator in 2024
 

We can take Shane off the list ...

Probably see the upside on working with a young Justin Fields and/or their high draft pick (Caleb Williams, Penix, Nix etc) vs Carr.

Bears to hire Shane Waldron as new offensive coordinator

Re: Nick Underhill expects the Saints to hire a new offensive coordinator in 2024
 

The front office better not wait & sit on their hands before making a move to find their next OC.

Jerod Johnson, Zac Robinson, Curry aren't going to wait around forever.

Re: Nick Underhill expects the Saints to hire a new offensive coordinator in 2024
 

Maybe we should look at Packers assistants now that Green Bay's run is over. They worked miracles with their WR's and TE's and of course Jordan Love this year. Can't be all LaFleur, right?

Re: Nick Underhill expects the Saints to hire a new offensive coordinator in 2024
 

Re: Nick Underhill expects the Saints to hire a new offensive coordinator in 2024
 

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Re: Nick Underhill expects the Saints to hire a new offensive coordinator in 2024
 

While this satisfies the Rooney Rule it also represents a very real candidate.

Re: Nick Underhill expects the Saints to hire a new offensive coordinator in 2024
 

Re: Nick Underhill expects the Saints to hire a new offensive coordinator in 2024
 

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Re: Nick Underhill expects the Saints to hire a new offensive coordinator in 2024
 

Thanks to the 49ers for letting us interview Kubiak early, but that does not change my feelings on wanting the Lions to kick the crap out of them!

Re: Nick Underhill expects the Saints to hire a new offensive coordinator in 2024
 

You're not alone there, neuguy.

Re: Nick Underhill expects the Saints to hire a new offensive coordinator in 2024
 

They probably could have done had they told tbe coaches they had in house they'd get the job they'd gey the job next. But Loomis was to we'd to Dennis Allen. Don't let the pretend interview process tell you anything different t was going to happen. It was always Allen job

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Re: Nick Underhill expects the Saints to hire a new offensive coordinator in 2024