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K Major 01-03-2024 12:25 PM

Nick Underhill expects the Saints to hire a new offensive coordinator in 2024
 

MatthewT 01-03-2024 12:28 PM

Re: Nick Underhill expects the Saints to hire a new offensive coordinator in 2024
 
We shall see, a lot of this reporting is nothing more than wishful thinking as I doubt the Saints organization would leak anything of this nature.

K Major 01-03-2024 12:30 PM

Re: Nick Underhill expects the Saints to hire a new offensive coordinator in 2024
 
Changing coordinators and not the head coach (23-46) ...

Got it.

AsylumGuido 01-03-2024 12:33 PM

Re: Nick Underhill expects the Saints to hire a new offensive coordinator in 2024
 
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Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 990170)
We shall see, a lot of this reporting is nothing more than wishful thinking as I doubt the Saints organization would leak anything of this nature.

Underhill has the best pulse on the Saints of anyone out there.

Sinner 01-03-2024 12:48 PM

Re: Nick Underhill expects the Saints to hire a new offensive coordinator in 2024
 
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 990172)
Changing coordinators and not the head coach (23-46) ...

Got it.

Carmichael was set to be the scapegoat for quite some time now… Gonna be painful to keep watching people talk about putting lipstick on this pig.

neugey 01-03-2024 01:00 PM

Re: Nick Underhill expects the Saints to hire a new offensive coordinator in 2024
 
Based on the fact that the organization failed to get another suitable OC to take the job and settled for Pete and handcuffed the team for 2 years - Mickey has a lot to prove in this area as I'm afraid of another cockamamie half-measure.

K Major 01-03-2024 02:00 PM

Re: Nick Underhill expects the Saints to hire a new offensive coordinator in 2024
 
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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 990175)
Carmichael was set to be the scapegoat for quite some time now… Gonna be painful to keep watching people talk about putting lipstick on this pig.

With a much TOUGHER schedule in 2024.

I have the Saints with 7 wins.

MatthewT 01-03-2024 04:05 PM

Re: Nick Underhill expects the Saints to hire a new offensive coordinator in 2024
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 990173)
Underhill has the best pulse on the Saints of anyone out there.

It's likely nothing more than an educated guess at this point. The Saints front office or head coach is not going to say anything until the season is over. If someone from the Saints staff actually told this guy something, then shame on them.

AsylumGuido 01-03-2024 04:14 PM

Re: Nick Underhill expects the Saints to hire a new offensive coordinator in 2024
 
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Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 990194)
It's likely nothing more than an educated guess at this point. The Saints front office or head coach is not going to say anything until the season is over. If someone from the Saints staff actually told this guy something, then shame on them.

Definitely an educated guess. There's a reason why that is the term for it. Because it's based upon knowledge. :D When you spend as much time around the Saints facilities as does Underhill, Triplett, and company you can sometimes pick up almost as much by what isn't said as from what IS said. I learned that much from my days covering sports in the ACC back in the day. You can almost figure out precisely what is going on by the way the SID (Sports Information Director) and staff dance around certain topics. :D

Sinner 01-03-2024 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 990197)
Definitely an educated guess. There's a reason why that is the term for it. Because it's based upon knowledge. :D When you spend as much time around the Saints facilities as does Underhill, Triplett, and company you can sometimes pick up almost as much by what isn't said as from what IS said. I learned that much from my days covering sports in the ACC back in the day. You can almost figure out precisely what is going on by the way the SID (Sports Information Director) and staff dance around certain topics. :D

You can watch staff dance around certain topics for another two, maybe three seasons, maybe more… while watching our beloved Saints continue to suck.

bobdog86 01-03-2024 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 990200)
You can watch staff dance around certain topics for another two, maybe three seasons, maybe more… while watching our beloved Saints continue to suck.

Well, I did watch them thru most of the 70's and 80's so there's that. Unfortunately accepting sucking and mediocrity is in some our fandom's DNA.
I understand creating a winning culture is difficult, even more difficult than some want to believe or acknowledge; but I truly don't believe we are doing everything within our abilities to establish said winning culture.

AsylumGuido 01-03-2024 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bobdog86 (Post 990203)
Well, I did watch them thru most of the 70's and 80's so there's that. Unfortunately accepting sucking and mediocrity is in some our fandom's DNA.
I understand creating a winning culture is difficult, even more difficult than some want to believe or acknowledge; but I truly don't believe we are doing everything within our abilities to establish said winning culture.

I agree with this. I want us to win, but I also want to enjoy simply having our own team to enjoy. It seems some "fans" are constantly looking for ways to be miserable when it comes to our Saints.

Sinner 01-03-2024 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 990207)
I agree with this. I want us to win, but I also want to enjoy simply having our own team to enjoy. It seems some "fans" are constantly looking for ways to be miserable when it comes to our Saints.

MOST FANS don’t have to look for ways to be miserable.

Thirty3 01-03-2024 08:05 PM

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I disagree with Underhill on bringing in new OC. Why do wholesale changes to the offense just when it is starting to jell. Only changes on offense I would make is Offensive linemen.

AsylumGuido 01-04-2024 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Thirty3 (Post 990211)
I disagree with Underhill on bringing in new OC. Why do wholesale changes to the offense just when it is starting to jell. Only changes on offense I would make is Offensive linemen.

That would be one way of looking at the situation. The playcalling and execution definitely look far and away better than they had earlier this season and last year. But I can anticipate the response of "what took so long?"

Sinner 01-04-2024 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 990214)
That would be one way of looking at the situation. The playcalling and execution definitely look far and away better than they had earlier this season and last year. But I can anticipate the response of "what took so long?"

What took so long? The Season is over.

AsylumGuido 01-04-2024 09:36 AM

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But I could live with both Allen and Carmichael returning if for no other reason than pissing off that sinner guy.

:D

I can just imagine how crazy he must be sounding these days.

LOL!

papz 01-04-2024 09:53 AM

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It would be an interesting hire. Knowing Allen's on the hot seat to begin with, what kind of candidates will you have interviewing for the job?

If Allen is retained, I wouldn't be surprised if they brought Joe Brady in for an interview given how he's familiar with the organization. I don't know how I would feel about that but if he could fix our offense, that dude would never pay for a meal in Louisiana again.

Sinner 01-04-2024 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 990216)
But I could live with both Allen and Carmichael returning if for no other reason than pissing off that sinner guy.

:D


LOL!

THIS ^^^ Is a quote that EVERYONE on this forum needs to look at, before engaging with you again.

Are you a SAINTS FAN, or a SADO-MASOCHIST?

SmashMouth 01-04-2024 11:23 AM

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So asking for a friend ... who'd be willing to come here that's a competent OC for what would in all likelihood be a one year gig at most? How large is the pool of candidates for such a hot job?

K Major 01-04-2024 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 990224)
So asking for a friend ... who'd be willing to come here that's a competent OC for what would in all likelihood be a one year gig at most? How large is the pool of candidates for such a hot job?

Not many but seeing how this Saints franchise operated in 2023, Dennis Allen will surely vouch for one of his former rejects from his Raider days :rolleyes:.

The front office don't see it (or care to) yet, but the only way to resolve real problems in NOLA is getting a new Head Coach.

Getting a new coach won't guarantee success, but staying with the same below average HC will ensure mediocrity.

AsylumGuido 01-04-2024 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 990224)
So asking for a friend ... who'd be willing to come here that's a competent OC for what would in all likelihood be a one year gig at most? How large is the pool of candidates for such a hot job?

Why would it be a one year gig?

MatthewT 01-04-2024 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 990230)
Why would it be a one year gig?

Because of an aging roster that is in need of an upgrade with very little wiggle room to make changes will put Dennis the Menace right back on the hot seat.

Sinner 01-04-2024 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 990233)
Because of an aging roster that is in need of an upgrade with very little wiggle room to make changes will put Dennis the Menace right back on the hot seat.

You’re explaining this to someone who derives pleasure in seeing what this tired formula does to loyal fans.

mapcow 01-04-2024 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 990216)
But I could live with both Allen and Carmichael returning if for no other reason than pissing off that sinner guy.

:D

I can just imagine how crazy he must be sounding these days.

LOL!

"Sin's a Good Man's Brother", sounds great, and sure is a hell of a lot more relevant, than Guido, Quido, Quifo.... :beatnik:

Credit - Grand Funk Railroad

AsylumGuido 01-04-2024 01:07 PM

Re: Nick Underhill expects the Saints to hire a new offensive coordinator in 2024
 
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Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 990233)
Because of an aging roster that is in need of an upgrade with very little wiggle room to make changes will put Dennis the Menace right back on the hot seat.

How does that make it a one year gig?

By the way, this "aging roster" is only an average of 15 months older than the 6th youngest roster in the NFL. Were you aware of that?

MatthewT 01-04-2024 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 990237)
How does that make it a one year gig?

By the way, this "aging roster" is only an average of 15 months older than the 6th youngest roster in the NFL. Were you aware of that?

In NFL terms 15 months is pretty significant. The Saints also have way too many key players that are over 30. The roster is absolutely aging and additionally has a great number of players that have been in the league more than 6 years which in most positions signals the later/end stages of a career.

The one year gig, if DA is fired after a failed year 3 the entire coaching staff is likely to go with him.

AsylumGuido 01-04-2024 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 990239)
In NFL terms 15 months is pretty significant. The Saints also have way too many key players that are over 30. The roster is absolutely aging and additionally has a great number of players that have been in the league more than 6 years which in most positions signals the later stages of a career.

One good draft can take care of that. It can also shift the average age by a sizable margin. I feel way too much emphasis is placed on age. Arguably our best all round defensive player, Demario Davis, is one of our oldest players turning 35 in one week. Replacing him now with a much younger player would most likely weaken our roster while lowering the average age.

AsylumGuido 01-04-2024 01:42 PM

Re: Nick Underhill expects the Saints to hire a new offensive coordinator in 2024
 
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Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 990239)
The one year gig, if DA is fired after a failed year 3 the entire coaching staff is likely to go with him.

So it changes from "what would in all likelihood be a one year gig at most" to not really in "all likelihood", but instead, based upon a big IF which cannot be determined at this time.

Got it. :D

AsylumGuido 01-04-2024 01:45 PM

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Actually, come to think about it, it could very well be a one year gig when that incoming OC turns the offense around from day one. He'd suddenly be in big demand for a head coaching position. That in itself makes the job pretty darned attractive.

Sinner 01-04-2024 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 990241)
So it changes from "what would in all likelihood be a one year gig at most" to not really in "all likelihood", but instead, based upon a big IF which cannot be determined at this time.

Got it. :D

Wild Thin… You make my head spin…

MatthewT 01-04-2024 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 990241)
So it changes from "what would in all likelihood be a one year gig at most" to not really in "all likelihood", but instead, based upon a big IF which cannot be determined at this time.

Got it. :D

Please don't make me hit the ignore button on you...

AsylumGuido 01-04-2024 01:50 PM

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TheOak 01-04-2024 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 990244)
Please don't make me hit the ignore button on you...

It’s been a year. Doing just that has been like the relief of a kidney stone, stepping on a lego, and a trailer hitch to the shin all at once. Pitty there isn’t an actual block where I didn’t have to see quotes. Without ignore I’d have left just like so many others for the same cancerous reason.

Sinner 01-04-2024 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 990247)
It’s been a year. Doing just that has been like the relief of a kidney stone, stepping on a lego, and a trailer hitch to the shin all at once. Pitty there isn’t an actual block where I didn’t have to see quotes. Without ignore I’d have left just like so many others for the same cancerous reason.

Can somebody show this ^^^ to Quido?

AsylumGuido 01-04-2024 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 990247)
It’s been a year. Doing just that has been like the relief of a kidney stone, stepping on a lego, and a trailer hitch to the shin all at once. Pitty there isn’t an actual block where I didn’t have to see quotes. Without ignore I’d have left just like so many others for the same cancerous reason.

It works great! Have at it! :D

AsylumGuido 01-04-2024 03:53 PM

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MatthewT 01-04-2024 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 990255)

Pete ain't worried, he knows his boy Sean will hook him up with a job if he needs one... HAHA

AsylumGuido 01-04-2024 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 990259)
Pete ain't worried, he knows his boy Sean will hook him up with a job if he needs one... HAHA

This is true.

BakoSaint 01-04-2024 05:00 PM

Re: Nick Underhill expects the Saints to hire a new offensive coordinator in 2024
 
If nobody decent will take the job maybe we could hire McKinsey and Company consultants to coordinate our offense. They could not be worse than our current coaching. Our sideline would be filled with 25 year olds in suits calling plays based on studies and interviews.


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