The Final TD, DA's Lack of Authority, and the Consequence of Salary Cap Paralysis

SmashMouth · 01-08-2024, 11:05 AM

Asking for a friend ... when a QB calls an audible on a play, is that considered a bush league play, one that calls for an apology? Could this victory formation fake play be considered along the same lines as other fake plays, like "Ambush" ? What should we then name this play so as to cement it in Saints history?

BakoSaint · 01-08-2024, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

I know a great many will disagree with me on this, but I think there is a pretty good chance Jameis may have ended his NFL playing career with that decision. No it wasn't all him, but he was the guy under center who went against his coaches orders. His market over the past few years has been very soft, I just don't believe a team is going to be in a rush to sign a backup QB who may or may not listen to his head coach moving forward.

As for Dennis Allen not having the respect of his players, that is a serious issue that needs to be addressed. I am not sure if he is dealing with an entire team of this, or a few ring leaders. I suspect since the team continued to play hard the entire year that it's likely a small handful that needs to be dealt with. If nothing is done either way, DA fired or negative players removed from the team, then yes it will get much worse moving forward.

Jameis is beloved and even if he ends his NFL playing career, he will be much more successful than DA as an announcer or coach. It seems like Jameis was a more effective motivator for the team to stay positive and win than DA was, so the team could also spiral without him. Jameis put teammates first while DA is a me first guy who nobody respects or ever will respect.

Jameis just did a restructure to help the team. If the team retaliates and backs out on agreements behind that restructure, other players may not agree to any creative restructures.

The negative players can't be removed from the team because the team would violate the salary cap and face unprecedented penalties when their dead cap hits. McCoy, Ruiz, Johnson, Jordan, Kamara, etc have all publicly supported this team decision. The team could not cut them all and stay under the cap. The most they could do I guess is pay many of them for the 2024 season while keeping them inactive for every game, but man, we would go 0-17 and have locker room civil war.

DA and Loomis have painted themselves into a corner with this. They are like the law, if the jail was already booked at its absolute legal limit for the next year, and they could not send anyone to jail. When you max the cap you can't cut veterans.

BakoSaint · 01-08-2024, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Asking for a friend ... when a QB calls an audible on a play, is that considered a bush league play, one that calls for an apology? Could this victory formation fake play be considered along the same lines as other fake plays, like "Ambush" ? What should we then name this play so as to cement it in Saints history?

I remember when Peyton Manning faked a spike against us. I don't like faking the victory formation but I think faking a spike is just as low and risks injury even more, yet Peyton was applauded for it.

SmashMouth · 01-08-2024, 11:21 AM

WW_Who_Dat · 01-08-2024, 11:25 AM

Jameis + 10 did it for a teammate … get over it. Arthur Smith’s reaction understandable, knows the pink slip awaits his return to the Failcants crib.

Allen response is more proof this soft serve vanilla standin is not a head coach in the NFL.

Do I expect Allen to be released, absolutely not unfortunately. Add injury to insult good chance they double down and bring Carmichael back.

SmashMouth · 01-08-2024, 11:34 AM

iceshack149 · 01-08-2024, 01:49 PM

It sucks that 99% of the Saints fan base wants Allen gone but it won't happen.

NOLA54 · 01-08-2024, 02:16 PM

It's clear that his players don't respect him. It's really sad because it shows how low morale is on the team. Keep DA another year and there will be nothing left to salvage. Do you think Sean Payton might want to come back?

Thirty3 · 01-08-2024, 04:55 PM

In My view Dennis Allen should just become like Beklliceck with the media. At least until 24 to 48 hours after the games.

neugey · 01-08-2024, 05:01 PM

Say what you will about Arthur Smith, he stood up for his players at the end. DA won't unless it's his butt-buddy Derek Carr.

01-08-2024, 11:05 AM	#31
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,044 Blog Entries: 29	Re: The Final TD, DA's Lack of Authority, and the Consequence of Salary Cap Paralysis Asking for a friend ... when a QB calls an audible on a play, is that considered a bush league play, one that calls for an apology? Could this victory formation fake play be considered along the same lines as other fake plays, like "Ambush" ? What should we then name this play so as to cement it in Saints history? Rugby Saint II and Sinner like this.

01-08-2024, 11:13 AM	#32
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,087	Re: The Final TD, DA's Lack of Authority, and the Consequence of Salary Cap Paralysis Originally Posted by MatthewT I know a great many will disagree with me on this, but I think there is a pretty good chance Jameis may have ended his NFL playing career with that decision. No it wasn't all him, but he was the guy under center who went against his coaches orders. His market over the past few years has been very soft, I just don't believe a team is going to be in a rush to sign a backup QB who may or may not listen to his head coach moving forward. As for Dennis Allen not having the respect of his players, that is a serious issue that needs to be addressed. I am not sure if he is dealing with an entire team of this, or a few ring leaders. I suspect since the team continued to play hard the entire year that it's likely a small handful that needs to be dealt with. If nothing is done either way, DA fired or negative players removed from the team, then yes it will get much worse moving forward. Jameis is beloved and even if he ends his NFL playing career, he will be much more successful than DA as an announcer or coach. It seems like Jameis was a more effective motivator for the team to stay positive and win than DA was, so the team could also spiral without him. Jameis put teammates first while DA is a me first guy who nobody respects or ever will respect. Jameis just did a restructure to help the team. If the team retaliates and backs out on agreements behind that restructure, other players may not agree to any creative restructures. The negative players can't be removed from the team because the team would violate the salary cap and face unprecedented penalties when their dead cap hits. McCoy, Ruiz, Johnson, Jordan, Kamara, etc have all publicly supported this team decision. The team could not cut them all and stay under the cap. The most they could do I guess is pay many of them for the 2024 season while keeping them inactive for every game, but man, we would go 0-17 and have locker room civil war. DA and Loomis have painted themselves into a corner with this. They are like the law, if the jail was already booked at its absolute legal limit for the next year, and they could not send anyone to jail. When you max the cap you can't cut veterans. rezburna likes this.
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01-08-2024, 11:19 AM	#33
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,087	Re: The Final TD, DA's Lack of Authority, and the Consequence of Salary Cap Paralysis Originally Posted by SmashMouth Asking for a friend ... when a QB calls an audible on a play, is that considered a bush league play, one that calls for an apology? Could this victory formation fake play be considered along the same lines as other fake plays, like "Ambush" ? What should we then name this play so as to cement it in Saints history? I remember when Peyton Manning faked a spike against us. I don't like faking the victory formation but I think faking a spike is just as low and risks injury even more, yet Peyton was applauded for it. SmashMouth and WW_Who_Dat like this.
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01-08-2024, 11:21 AM	#34
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WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,265 Blog Entries: 1	Re: The Final TD, DA's Lack of Authority, and the Consequence of Salary Cap Paralysis Jameis + 10 did it for a teammate … get over it. Arthur Smith’s reaction understandable, knows the pink slip awaits his return to the Failcants crib. Allen response is more proof this soft serve vanilla standin is not a head coach in the NFL. Do I expect Allen to be released, absolutely not unfortunately. Add injury to insult good chance they double down and bring Carmichael back. rezburna likes this.

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iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,238 Blog Entries: 1	Re: The Final TD, DA's Lack of Authority, and the Consequence of Salary Cap Paralysis It sucks that 99% of the Saints fan base wants Allen gone but it won't happen. neugey, Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.

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NOLA54 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,708 Blog Entries: 1	Re: The Final TD, DA's Lack of Authority, and the Consequence of Salary Cap Paralysis It's clear that his players don't respect him. It's really sad because it shows how low morale is on the team. Keep DA another year and there will be nothing left to salvage. Do you think Sean Payton might want to come back?

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Thirty3 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 1,255	Re: The Final TD, DA's Lack of Authority, and the Consequence of Salary Cap Paralysis In My view Dennis Allen should just become like Beklliceck with the media. At least until 24 to 48 hours after the games.
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01-08-2024, 05:01 PM	#40
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,671 Blog Entries: 13	Re: The Final TD, DA's Lack of Authority, and the Consequence of Salary Cap Paralysis Say what you will about Arthur Smith, he stood up for his players at the end. DA won't unless it's his butt-buddy Derek Carr. BakoSaint likes this.