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That sentence sums up my take on the season. Trying to rebound from my personal grief I’ll try to add some thoughts. Although I’m not sure people want to hear them.

I am disappointed we did not do better this year. But we had a winning record. We tied with Tampa, who won a playoff game. We lost to Houston who also won a playoff game. We lost to Detroit who is in the NFC championship game. I think the concept of a “soft schedule “ was disproven.

We were competitive in all our games. We got a QB that the coach wanted and we won 2 more games with him than we did the year before. If he is protected I think Carr is as good as Geoff, Baker, Love, or other QBs for playoff teams. He was what was available and the team made a move for him. If we end up sucking and get a top 6 pick we can look then at a QB. But I don’t think that will happen.

Fact is the team has had a win now attitude for many years and while it only brought 1 1/2 Championships it has also brought a team that has won at least 7 games every season for about 20 years. Most other teams (ALL except for one other) has had a 2-5 win season or 2 to get a chance at a high draft pick and reset their cap. The Saints have taken a different rout and decided to not put a ****ty product on the field that would be irrelevant by week 9 of the season. As a fan I appreciate them, not throwing in the towel on any given season. We’ve got a new offensive coordinator coming in, and that shows that they recognized weaknesses.

I guess bottom line is I don’t see the doom and gloom that some others feel. But, obviously time will tell

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Thanks, Boston. Hang in there. And your thoughts on the season pretty much echo mine.

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My sincere condolences for your loss first and foremost, and for our shared loss as a team… again.

Remember, it’s just a game.

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Hope things will get better for you Boston.

This year due to working extra hours on my project I was only able to watch just the Saints games nationally/locally available - Jags, Vikings, Detroit, Rams, first Falcons game. In all those games the Saints and especially Carr were a big mess and lost. I only got to see the team at its worst and I'm hoping next season it doesn't go down like that.

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You got to see Pete Carmichael at his worst, neuguy. I saw every game except for the Detroit game at home in person and all the rest on TV and I saw some good stuff from Carr when Pete actually got his head out of his ass. LOL!

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Thanks Sinner

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Yeah that was so awesome!

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The team has good, young talent at WR and in the defensive backfield. It really depends on the O line. If Carr hadn’t got hurt and/or our run game was a little bit better, then we’d been a playoff team.

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I understand where you’re coming from, however My “doom and gloom” comes from frustration due to the potential we had as a team that was thrown away because of not having proper coaching,management, and a owner who gives af in place imo. Yes we had a winning record, but for what we invested in the team in the offseason to only having two more wins from last year is disappointing. I expected more I guess, and rightly so. But then again I expected Allen to be fired, and yet here we are. I shouldn’t be surprised really…
I’m always hopeful every year, but losing optimism due to two poor seasons under Allen with the talent we have in place. Only time will tell

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Not to take any significance away from the deeply personal part of Boston’s process, and with all due respect, that aside, it was doom and gloom way back when Drew was in decline, and between Jameis, Andy, and Derek, and most of all Dennis, with Mickey stating that we had all the right people in the building, we are beyond doom and gloom, watching other teams in the Playoffs. Again. Y’all can have high hopes for a mediocre season next year, because if nothing else, loyal Saints Fans are resilient. Doom and gloom is a reality that we’ll have to live with for years to come. I called it when Drew walked off, I called it when Payton fled the scene, I called it all year last year, and all year this year, and Im calling it now. Call me “NEGA” or chicken little all you like, but the sky done fell, and it AINT rising in New Orleans, with these people in the building.

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A quarterback is only as good as his o-line. Carr is average at best with an average line, but is capable of being very good (not great) with an above average line. I have been on the draft a qb train but from where we sit in the draft I think we are better off building in the trenches and giving Carr a year with a better line. Maybe with the second or third pick if nix is there grab him and let him sit behind carr a couple of years. I don’t think we will ever win a Super Bowl with carr but I can guarantee we won’t win one without a line. I’m over the doom and gloom of the season. The NFL is built for all teams to win now. (Tampa, Houston, Green Bay). Let’s have a good off-season and get this train moving next season.

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We need a new Head Coach.

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I agree but that’s not happening now. Besides new coach or not we still need players for the next guy.

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It was supposed to happen by now, and everybody knows it. Just like everybody knows that even with a great O line, Carr ain’t Brees, or Mahomes, or Jackson, or Purdy, or whoever… the point being, we are WEAK in key leadership positions, which no amount of protection will perfect. We’ve had plenty of time to deal with this, and we’re still weak.

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I think I’m willing to look at shortcomings the team may/do have. I realize I’m not making my living with anything remotely related to the NFL,
So I am no “expert”.

That being said, it seems to me that this is an incredibly hard league to win in. Look at a few teams and their end of the year for example.

Buffalo. Good QB. Has been solid in the regular season. Won a few playoff games. But they folded again and it brings back memories of the Jim Kelly Bills and a team that NEVER got over the hump.

Philly. Another team who seemed to have it going with a talented young QB. But they folded down the stretch again, and could not get the final job done. whether or not they will stay. Competitive time will tell.

Minnesota. A team that is beat us multiple times in the playoffs. But they are looking at possibly resigning Kurt cousins or rebuilding, and looking for another quarterback, to start the franchise with

This is just a couple of examples. I live up here where New England has just had two terrible seasons in a row, and I wondering where they are going to go from here as a franchise. One of my best friends is a Jets fan and he had to watch the Aaron Rodgers experiment blew up in his face.

The remaining teams have had seasons of four or less wins, which gave them chances to restock their roster. The biggest problem I see with the Saints is the draft picks. We’ve made on both sides of the line of scrimmage have not panned out especially early pics.

Dennis Allen might not be the guy. He’s probably not. But if the definition of “the guy” is winning a Super Bowl, then practically no other coach in the league is going to be the guy. Dennis Allen had the same number or more wins than Sean, Payton and Bill Belichick this year. Does that mean he’s a better coach than them? Of course not. But a lot of teams are in a lot worse shape.

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Yup. That grass is always greener on that other side of the fence. ;)

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You make some good points, and I have to admit, it could be worse. But I also think it could be a hell of a lot better too, especially where this franchise in two years after Sean left…quite a decline. I feel like we’re in better shape roster wise than what Sean and Bill had to work with this past season also.

To me, “our guy” is a leader of men who commands respect and players want to run through brick walls for. When the players chose to override Allen on that last play against the Falcons, that sealed the deal for me on him ever being our guy. I’m convinced he’s just not head Coach material, and that’s ok…plenty of really good OCs and DCs have tried and failed. I think two main reasons he even hit nine wins is because of a strong roster combined with a weak schedule. If I’m not mistaken, we only beat sub .500 teams…or maybe one barely above .500. Sorry, not impressed.
Could a really good OC come in and turn things around? Maybe. Definitely not out of the realm of possibilities. But I’m still not big on Allen being “our guy” even if so

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Maybe maybe not, but sure AINT green on this side of the fence.

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It's not green right now but we are in deep winter and heavy snow is covering the ground. Hang in there. Spring growth is coming in the form of a new OC.

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Respect your thoughts Sinner and thanks for your kind words and attitudes.

I guess I mainly differ on your idea of Doom and Gloom. I’ve spent many years living in areas where the NFL teams were good and watched them win SBs. But I’ve also watched those teams completely suck, win 3 or less games and be true laughing stocks. Saints haven’t been that poor in many years. People are talking about doom and gloom with a team that had a winning record. I just can’t agree with that point of view.

Look at the good/great teams Buffalo put out there and never won. Same with Minnesota. And some have the idea to be critical of this franchise because they “only” won1 championship despite getting shafted by the league once for bounty gate and another by the worst call in NFL history? I don’t see it.

Payton and Brees had many 7-9 years then rebounded. When/if the team has a 3 win season and can look for a QB in the top 5 picks then I’ll agree with the sky is falling narrative. But while the team is competing, winning more than they lose, and in the playoff hunt until the last week of the season I’ll be happy to be a Saints fan. Lots of teams are doing way worse.

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That’s funny right there ^^^

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Your last sentence is so sad, I cannot even respond to it.

Once again, sincere condolences.

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Thanks again. Not sure how “Lots of teams are doing way worse” is a sad statement, but thanks again.

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I'll guarantee you that several other fanbases would rather be in our shoes right now and they wouldn't be off base.

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Couldn't agree more with all of that, Boston.

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His hatred appears to run deep, Boston. It seems as though if everything isn't running according to his plan there is no hope and our future is doomed. At least from the tiny smattering I see in quoted posts. Let me know if I am wrong about that impression.

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Translation: A billion dollar organization has been serving up warm dog sh*t for lunch almost every Sunday for the past two years, and for dinner on some Thursday Nights, but other organizations are serving up hot horse sh*t, so we cool.

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My plan is to watch championship football, and my Saints are about as effective as your “IGNORE” function.

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No, a **** meal is what the Pats had loosing to us by 34 and only winning 4 games. A **** meal is Carolina losing to us twice on the way to a 2 win season while knowing you have no first round draft pick coming up. A **** meal is Arizona only winning 4 again and trying to figure out how to compete in a division with the Niners and Rams. A **** meal is being a Jets Fan happy with 7 wins because it’s the most your team has had in 9 seasons and they finally are better that the Pats.

What the Saints gave this year was a decent meal. It wasn’t the best…it may have been overpriced…but it was tasty and a clean restaurant. Some folks turned it to **** because they didn’t like the whine list or wanted a better table.

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Amen and Hallelujah, Brother Boston!

:bng:

Maybe it's time for that sinner guy hater to move on to another franchise. I see he hasn't changed at all.

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OH btw, one more thing. A **** meal is being a Falcons fan who again finished behind us and is again looking to find direction to their franchise!

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Well that’s certainly one way to look at it.
If we were in rebuild mode, I’d be optimistic and content in our progress. We have a roster to win now and we couldn’t even make the f**king playoffs in a weak division. I expected more, and rightfully so

You make solid points, I just see it differently

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for one that claims to "ignore", you sure do let the ignoree's (?) opinion, get to you, you seem to have the need to pull one's (your) string to spew your worthless opinion ..... :beatnik:

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Hey, I'm not saying I'm right or that DA is the guy. I just don't want to be a fan and come on to a Saints 'Fan" sight and be pounded with nothing but negativity. That's what life is for.

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This brings up an interesting question. Would you consider any team that doesn't win the SB to be in "rebuild mode"? That's hard to define.

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Good question, Boston. Very commonly "rebuild modes" tend to become perpetual in franchises. Detroit has been rebuilding since 1957. Atlanta since 1966.

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That's why I set a small handful of these perpetual haters to "ignore". I can still share news of the team I love and "mostly" not deal with those that constantly spew the hate.

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I hear you, but taking in to consideration where we’re at and what we’ve been accustomed to, it’s hard to find much optimism anywhere you look, not just this site, when it comes to this team, especially when it appears the franchise is headed into being content with mediocrity

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Quido, everybody knows by now that your “IGNORE” function is as impotent as our current Head Coach. Please adjust your settings.

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No not really. I think there’s a lot of teams in win now mode and don’t make the Super Bowl, Dallas being one of them,and I’m sure there’s not much positivity on their boards right now.
I define rebuild mode when a GM decides to change direction after the current team and/or coaching in place is not effective anymore. It gives the franchise a chance to clear some cap space, get rid of aging players that arent as productive and/or older players that are about to reach that point but still have some trade value left in them. Build through the draft to gain a younger team while still keeping key players that can contribute to the new direction you’re heading.
You’re right, it can be hard to define because there are different levels of rebuilding. What I just stated would be an extreme case. At any rate, that’s what I would define as a rebuild team, and the Saints aren’t there