AFTER WATCHING TEAMS PLAY CHAMPIONSHIP FOOTBALL THIS WEEKEND, I’LL SAY THIS:

Sinner · 01-30-2024, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Top 10? Saints defense? I missed that one Rugs.

Saints gave up a ton on the ground in 2023 & probably ranked bottom half in pressures/sacks.

And we need a new Head Coach.

iceshack149 · 01-30-2024, 04:57 PM

Not much left...

Sinner · 01-30-2024, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

Not much left...

The horse AINT dead yet. Give it a few more years.

Rugby Saint II · 01-31-2024, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Top 10? Saints defense? I missed that one Rugs.

Saints gave up a ton on the ground in 2023 & probably ranked bottom half in pressures/sacks.

It's hard to be a great defense when your offense never let's you catch your breath before sending them back out there. We could do much worse. I know. I've lived through it.

AsylumGuido · 01-31-2024, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

It's hard to be a great defense when your offense never let's you catch your breath before sending them back out there. We could do much worse. I know. I've lived through it.

FYI, Rugs, 2023 Saints finished 7th in fewest points allowed and 13th in fewest total yards allowed. The defense also finished 4th in takeaways with 29, two fewer than the Ravens and Giants who led the league with 31 each. The defense did have some issues, of course, and much of it did come at the hands of the offensive playcalling putting them in such poor situations as you accurately pointed out. All of the slow starts allowed opponents to lean more heavily on the run, so of course that would show up as bigger run totals. It makes perfect sense.

Down the stretch our defense looked markedly better, but then again, so did the offense.

All in all, people can cherry pick and find both good and bad statistics to satisfy their needs.

Sinner · 01-31-2024, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

FYI, Rugs, 2023 Saints finished 7th in fewest points allowed and 13th in fewest total yards allowed. The defense also finished 4th in takeaways with 29, two fewer than the Ravens and Giants who led the league with 31 each. The defense did have some issues, of course, and much of it did come at the hands of the offensive playcalling putting them in such poor situations as you accurately pointed out. All of the slow starts allowed opponents to lean more heavily on the run, so of course that would show up as bigger run totals. It makes perfect sense.

Down the stretch our defense looked markedly better, but then again, so did the offense.

All in all, people can cherry pick and find both good and bad statistics to satisfy their needs.

The actual bowl of cherries that matters, is sitting on the table, next to the other assorted snacks that other fans get to pick and feast on while our boys sit at home doing the same, watching other teams in the playoffs.

K Major · 01-31-2024, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

It's hard to be a great defense when your offense never let's you catch your breath before sending them back out there. We could do much worse. I know. I've lived through it.

Sounds like a Saints problem to me.

Question is, what will they do in the off season to overcome objections on offense & special teams? You do a better job of coaching, scouting and preparing your team each and every week. Not sit up on the podium after taking an L & say “we gotta do a better job …” yada, yada, yada

.

Good teams find solutions, not excuses. The NFL is hard for a reason.

A good place to start is the 2024 draft. 2017 was a long time ago & the Saints have a lot of work to do.

Rugby Saint II · 02-06-2024, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Sounds like a Saints problem to me.

Question is, what will they do in the off season to overcome objections on offense & special teams? You do a better job of coaching, scouting and preparing your team each and every week. Not sit up on the podium after taking an L & say “we gotta do a better job …” yada, yada, yada .

Good teams find solutions, not excuses. The NFL is hard for a reason.

A good place to start is the 2024 draft. 2017 was a long time ago & the Saints have a lot of work to do.

We only have two picks in the first two rounds of the draft this year. We don't pick again until the fifth round where we should receive a few comp picks. In 2017 Jeff Ireland had two first round, one second round and three third round picks. We had five picks in the top one hundred and then we picked Trey Hendrickson at pick 103.

The point is that Ireland had much more ammo to work with in 2017 than he has this year. I fully expect us to find away back into the second round where we usually pick very well. Foskey could still be a good player after getting accustomed to the NFL. He had to adjust to the size and speed of the players, his playbook, and what his responsibilities are. But we must get better in the trenches.

K Major · 01-31-2024, 06:43 PM

Yep.

Excuses is why you’re at home.

I’m not here to sugarcoat under performing coaches and players.

Especially considering how WEAK the NFC South has been last 2 seasons.

01-30-2024, 04:31 PM	#1
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01-30-2024, 04:57 PM	#2
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: AFTER WATCHING TEAMS PLAY CHAMPIONSHIP FOOTBALL THIS WEEKEND, I’LL SAY THIS: Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II It's hard to be a great defense when your offense never let's you catch your breath before sending them back out there. We could do much worse. I know. I've lived through it. FYI, Rugs, 2023 Saints finished 7th in fewest points allowed and 13th in fewest total yards allowed. The defense also finished 4th in takeaways with 29, two fewer than the Ravens and Giants who led the league with 31 each. The defense did have some issues, of course, and much of it did come at the hands of the offensive playcalling putting them in such poor situations as you accurately pointed out. All of the slow starts allowed opponents to lean more heavily on the run, so of course that would show up as bigger run totals. It makes perfect sense. Down the stretch our defense looked markedly better, but then again, so did the offense. All in all, people can cherry pick and find both good and bad statistics to satisfy their needs.
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Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,041	Re: AFTER WATCHING TEAMS PLAY CHAMPIONSHIP FOOTBALL THIS WEEKEND, I’LL SAY THIS: Originally Posted by AsylumGuido FYI, Rugs, 2023 Saints finished 7th in fewest points allowed and 13th in fewest total yards allowed. The defense also finished 4th in takeaways with 29, two fewer than the Ravens and Giants who led the league with 31 each. The defense did have some issues, of course, and much of it did come at the hands of the offensive playcalling putting them in such poor situations as you accurately pointed out. All of the slow starts allowed opponents to lean more heavily on the run, so of course that would show up as bigger run totals. It makes perfect sense. Down the stretch our defense looked markedly better, but then again, so did the offense. All in all, people can cherry pick and find both good and bad statistics to satisfy their needs. The actual bowl of cherries that matters, is sitting on the table, next to the other assorted snacks that other fans get to pick and feast on while our boys sit at home doing the same, watching other teams in the playoffs. K Major likes this.
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01-31-2024, 07:11 PM	#7
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,738 Blog Entries: 3	Re: AFTER WATCHING TEAMS PLAY CHAMPIONSHIP FOOTBALL THIS WEEKEND, I’LL SAY THIS: Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II It's hard to be a great defense when your offense never let's you catch your breath before sending them back out there. We could do much worse. I know. I've lived through it. Sounds like a Saints problem to me. Question is, what will they do in the off season to overcome objections on offense & special teams? You do a better job of coaching, scouting and preparing your team each and every week. Not sit up on the podium after taking an L & say “we gotta do a better job …” yada, yada, yada . Good teams find solutions, not excuses. The NFL is hard for a reason. A good place to start is the 2024 draft. 2017 was a long time ago & the Saints have a lot of work to do. Rugby Saint II and Sinner like this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,117	Re: AFTER WATCHING TEAMS PLAY CHAMPIONSHIP FOOTBALL THIS WEEKEND, I’LL SAY THIS: Originally Posted by K Major Sounds like a Saints problem to me. Question is, what will they do in the off season to overcome objections on offense & special teams? You do a better job of coaching, scouting and preparing your team each and every week. Not sit up on the podium after taking an L & say “we gotta do a better job …” yada, yada, yada . Good teams find solutions, not excuses. The NFL is hard for a reason. A good place to start is the 2024 draft. 2017 was a long time ago & the Saints have a lot of work to do. We only have two picks in the first two rounds of the draft this year. We don't pick again until the fifth round where we should receive a few comp picks. In 2017 Jeff Ireland had two first round, one second round and three third round picks. We had five picks in the top one hundred and then we picked Trey Hendrickson at pick 103. The point is that Ireland had much more ammo to work with in 2017 than he has this year. I fully expect us to find away back into the second round where we usually pick very well. Foskey could still be a good player after getting accustomed to the NFL. He had to adjust to the size and speed of the players, his playbook, and what his responsibilities are. But we must get better in the trenches. K Major likes this.
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01-31-2024, 06:43 PM	#9
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,738 Blog Entries: 3	Re: AFTER WATCHING TEAMS PLAY CHAMPIONSHIP FOOTBALL THIS WEEKEND, I’LL SAY THIS: Yep. Excuses is why you’re at home. I’m not here to sugarcoat under performing coaches and players. Especially considering how WEAK the NFC South has been last 2 seasons. Rugby Saint II and Sinner like this.

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