Haener v Purdy

saintsfan1976 · 02-03-2024, 08:21 AM

Side by side comparison is very similar.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/brock-...8-8aab5e23b748

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jake-h...5-81e19a8e5996

Haener scored higher in nearly every category.

I'm not suggesting that Haener is the heir apparent but if Carr goes down again, it'll be interesting to see what Kubiak does for Jake.

Mr.Riaton · 02-03-2024, 08:31 AM

I strongly believe there are quite a few Purdy’s out there over the years that were drafted mid to late rounds who could’ve been really good, but sat behind starters because they were viewed as developmental or back ups and never really had an honest shot with starters.
There may be nothing to Haner, but I’m very optimistic about him from what I’ve seen in preseason and I’d love to see what he can do with the starters in a real game situation, and I’m not talking about just closing out a game….im talking about a legit chance.

saintsfan1976 · 02-03-2024, 08:33 AM

Apparently the Niners had an in-depth meeting with Haener prior to the draft.

neugey · 02-03-2024, 09:36 AM

We ought to have Haener as the second-string QB this year so we can find out what we have when Carr needs to be relieved due to injury or a mop-up situation. It will help us a bit with the cap to not carry a veteran backup like Jameis anyway.

rezburna · 02-03-2024, 10:32 AM

I’m not sure we have the same type of talent, players or coaches, to win with a Brock Purdy like the 49ers do. I like Haener, but we’ve had several back up QB’s hyped up that end up being duds. Looking for the diamond in the rough is cool and all, but this franchise has never taken a 1st round QB…and when you look at the history of the position here it shows.

Sinner · 02-03-2024, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I’m not sure we have the same type of talent, players or coaches, to win with a Brock Purdy like the 49ers do. I like Haener, but we’ve had several back up QB’s hyped up that end up being duds. Looking for the diamond in the rough is cool and all, but this franchise has never taken a 1st round QB…and when you look at the history of the position here it shows.

FACTS ^^^

MatthewT · 02-03-2024, 12:29 PM

History of drafted Saints QB's, not a pretty picture:

Year Rnd Player Pick
1971 1 Archie Manning 2
1981 1 Dave Wilson Sup 1
2015 3 Garrett Grayson 75
1994 4 Doug Nussmeier 116
1997 4 Danny Wuerffel 99
2021 4 Ian Book 133
2023 4 Jake Haener 127
1968 5 Ronnie Lee South 115
1970 5 Steve Ramsey 126
2005 5 Adrian McPherson 152
1978 6 Mike Rieker 141
1990 6 Mike Buck 156
2000 6 Marc Bulger 168
2002 6 J.T. O'Sullivan 186
2010 7 Sean Canfield 239
2020 7 Tommy Stevens 240
1990 8 Gerry Gdowski 207
1988 10 Todd Santos 274
1976 11 Greg Kokal 294
1971 14 Bobby Scott 340
1972 15 Rusty Lachaussee 372
1974 15 Larry Cipa 373
1969 16 Edd Hargett 397

Danno · 02-03-2024, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

History of drafted Saints QB's, not a pretty picture:

Year Rnd Player Pick
1971 1 Archie Manning 2
1981 1 Dave Wilson Sup 1
2015 3 Garrett Grayson 75
1994 4 Doug Nussmeier 116
1997 4 Danny Wuerffel 99
2021 4 Ian Book 133
2023 4 Jake Haener 127
1968 5 Ronnie Lee South 115
1970 5 Steve Ramsey 126
2005 5 Adrian McPherson 152
1978 6 Mike Rieker 141
1990 6 Mike Buck 156
2000 6 Marc Bulger 168
2002 6 J.T. O'Sullivan 186
2010 7 Sean Canfield 239
2020 7 Tommy Stevens 240
1990 8 Gerry Gdowski 207
1988 10 Todd Santos 274
1976 11 Greg Kokal 294
1971 14 Bobby Scott 340
1972 15 Rusty Lachaussee 372
1974 15 Larry Cipa 373
1969 16 Edd Hargett 397

Odd, only one 1st rounder?

vpheughan · 02-03-2024, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I’m not sure we have the same type of talent, players or coaches, to win with a Brock Purdy like the 49ers do. I like Haener, but we’ve had several back up QB’s hyped up that end up being duds. Looking for the diamond in the rough is cool and all, but this franchise has never taken a 1st round QB…and when you look at the history of the position here it shows.

Glad you brought that up, I did a little project on Saints QB'S 2006 - 2023

• Saints QB Draft 2006 - 2023
• 2023 (127rd): Jake Haener, QB, Fresno State
• 2021 (133rd): Ian Book, QB, Notre Dame
• 2020 (240th): Tommy Stevens, QB, Mississippi State
• 2015 (75th): Garrett Grayson, QB, Colorado State
• 2010 (239th): Sean Canfield, QB, Oregon State
•
• Saints QB Free Agent / Trade* 2006 -2023
• Drew Brees Purdue
• Jamie Martin Weber State
• Tyler Palko Pittsburg
• Mark Brunell Washington
• Joey Harrington Oregon
• Chase Daniel Missouri
• Luke McCown Louisiana Tech
• Ryan Griffin Tulane
• Matt Flynn Louisiana State
• Taysom Hill Brigham Young
• Teddy Bridgewater Louisville *New York Jets
• Jaemis Winston Florida State
• Trevor Siemian Northwestern
• Andy Dalton TCU
• Dereck Carr Fresno State

SmashMouth · 02-03-2024, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Side by side comparison is very similar.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/brock-...8-8aab5e23b748

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jake-h...5-81e19a8e5996

Haener scored higher in nearly every category.

I'm not suggesting that Haener is the heir apparent but if Carr goes down again, it'll be interesting to see what Kubiak does for Jake.

Been saying this since last year... we'll see.

02-03-2024, 08:21 AM	#1
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Haener v Purdy Side by side comparison is very similar. https://www.nfl.com/prospects/brock-...8-8aab5e23b748 https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jake-h...5-81e19a8e5996 Haener scored higher in nearly every category. I'm not suggesting that Haener is the heir apparent but if Carr goes down again, it'll be interesting to see what Kubiak does for Jake. iceshack149 and SmashMouth like this.

02-03-2024, 08:31 AM	#2
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,264	Re: Haener v Purdy I strongly believe there are quite a few Purdy’s out there over the years that were drafted mid to late rounds who could’ve been really good, but sat behind starters because they were viewed as developmental or back ups and never really had an honest shot with starters. There may be nothing to Haner, but I’m very optimistic about him from what I’ve seen in preseason and I’d love to see what he can do with the starters in a real game situation, and I’m not talking about just closing out a game….im talking about a legit chance.

02-03-2024, 08:33 AM	#3
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Haener v Purdy Apparently the Niners had an in-depth meeting with Haener prior to the draft.

02-03-2024, 09:36 AM	#4
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,697 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Haener v Purdy We ought to have Haener as the second-string QB this year so we can find out what we have when Carr needs to be relieved due to injury or a mop-up situation. It will help us a bit with the cap to not carry a veteran backup like Jameis anyway.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: Haener v Purdy I’m not sure we have the same type of talent, players or coaches, to win with a Brock Purdy like the 49ers do. I like Haener, but we’ve had several back up QB’s hyped up that end up being duds. Looking for the diamond in the rough is cool and all, but this franchise has never taken a 1st round QB…and when you look at the history of the position here it shows. Sinner, bobdog86 and K Major like this.

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Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,873	Re: Haener v Purdy Originally Posted by rezburna I’m not sure we have the same type of talent, players or coaches, to win with a Brock Purdy like the 49ers do. I like Haener, but we’ve had several back up QB’s hyped up that end up being duds. Looking for the diamond in the rough is cool and all, but this franchise has never taken a 1st round QB…and when you look at the history of the position here it shows. FACTS ^^^ K Major likes this.
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02-03-2024, 12:29 PM	#7
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Haener v Purdy History of drafted Saints QB's, not a pretty picture: Year Rnd Player Pick 1971 1 Archie Manning 2 1981 1 Dave Wilson Sup 1 2015 3 Garrett Grayson 75 1994 4 Doug Nussmeier 116 1997 4 Danny Wuerffel 99 2021 4 Ian Book 133 2023 4 Jake Haener 127 1968 5 Ronnie Lee South 115 1970 5 Steve Ramsey 126 2005 5 Adrian McPherson 152 1978 6 Mike Rieker 141 1990 6 Mike Buck 156 2000 6 Marc Bulger 168 2002 6 J.T. O'Sullivan 186 2010 7 Sean Canfield 239 2020 7 Tommy Stevens 240 1990 8 Gerry Gdowski 207 1988 10 Todd Santos 274 1976 11 Greg Kokal 294 1971 14 Bobby Scott 340 1972 15 Rusty Lachaussee 372 1974 15 Larry Cipa 373 1969 16 Edd Hargett 397

02-03-2024, 01:06 PM	#8
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Haener v Purdy Originally Posted by MatthewT History of drafted Saints QB's, not a pretty picture: Year Rnd Player Pick 1971 1 Archie Manning 2 1981 1 Dave Wilson Sup 1 2015 3 Garrett Grayson 75 1994 4 Doug Nussmeier 116 1997 4 Danny Wuerffel 99 2021 4 Ian Book 133 2023 4 Jake Haener 127 1968 5 Ronnie Lee South 115 1970 5 Steve Ramsey 126 2005 5 Adrian McPherson 152 1978 6 Mike Rieker 141 1990 6 Mike Buck 156 2000 6 Marc Bulger 168 2002 6 J.T. O'Sullivan 186 2010 7 Sean Canfield 239 2020 7 Tommy Stevens 240 1990 8 Gerry Gdowski 207 1988 10 Todd Santos 274 1976 11 Greg Kokal 294 1971 14 Bobby Scott 340 1972 15 Rusty Lachaussee 372 1974 15 Larry Cipa 373 1969 16 Edd Hargett 397 Odd, only one 1st rounder?

02-03-2024, 07:43 PM	#9
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,519	Re: Haener v Purdy Originally Posted by rezburna I’m not sure we have the same type of talent, players or coaches, to win with a Brock Purdy like the 49ers do. I like Haener, but we’ve had several back up QB’s hyped up that end up being duds. Looking for the diamond in the rough is cool and all, but this franchise has never taken a 1st round QB…and when you look at the history of the position here it shows. Glad you brought that up, I did a little project on Saints QB'S 2006 - 2023 • Saints QB Draft 2006 - 2023 • 2023 (127rd): Jake Haener, QB, Fresno State • 2021 (133rd): Ian Book, QB, Notre Dame • 2020 (240th): Tommy Stevens, QB, Mississippi State • 2015 (75th): Garrett Grayson, QB, Colorado State • 2010 (239th): Sean Canfield, QB, Oregon State • • Saints QB Free Agent / Trade* 2006 -2023 • Drew Brees Purdue • Jamie Martin Weber State • Tyler Palko Pittsburg • Mark Brunell Washington • Joey Harrington Oregon • Chase Daniel Missouri • Luke McCown Louisiana Tech • Ryan Griffin Tulane • Matt Flynn Louisiana State • Taysom Hill Brigham Young • Teddy Bridgewater Louisville *New York Jets • Jaemis Winston Florida State • Trevor Siemian Northwestern • Andy Dalton TCU • Dereck Carr Fresno State
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02-03-2024, 08:55 PM	#10
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,123 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Haener v Purdy Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Side by side comparison is very similar. https://www.nfl.com/prospects/brock-...8-8aab5e23b748 https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jake-h...5-81e19a8e5996 Haener scored higher in nearly every category. I'm not suggesting that Haener is the heir apparent but if Carr goes down again, it'll be interesting to see what Kubiak does for Jake. Been saying this since last year... we'll see.