Saints are parting ways with offensive line coach Doug Marrone, per source

K Major · 02-03-2024, 08:23 PM

Can't say that I'm surprised.

Too many high draft picks under performing inside those trenches.

Source - Nick Underhill

K Major · 02-03-2024, 08:27 PM

Kubiak's influence will change up things with scheme. I hope he bring in his own guy.

Most of these old school coaches are stuck in their ways.

Fresh, young faces are needed and necessary.

lee909 · 02-03-2024, 08:58 PM

Here's your man I reckon

James Cregg is in his second season as a 49ers assistant offensive line coach. He joined the 49ers after spending three seasons (2018-20) as the offensive line coach at Louisiana State University.

dizzle88 · 02-04-2024, 09:13 AM

Oh damn, I only just mentioned that I hoped this would happen in the Kubiak thread the other day lol

BakoSaint · 02-04-2024, 11:28 AM

This could be good, but I am not sold on blaming Doug Marrone. We don't know what went on behind the scenes. While we had lots of high draft picks on offensive line many were considered high reaches, and many were drafted with a notion of playing them outside their normal positions which is a recipe for disaster. Cesar Ruiz was a center in college but we drafted him with our Center spot already taken by McCoy. Andrus Peat was a left tackle in college, but we drafted him on the notion that he could play right tackle or guard. Trevor Penning was just a raw rural juco kid and we penciled him in as day 1 starting left tackle.

Maybe Marrone was a bad coach, maybe he was a good coach, but what he had to work with was highly questionable. If he thought Penning was ready to start and took so long to realize Peat belonged at LT not Penning, and was all in with paying Cesar Ruiz, then he is an idiot. But its also possible that the final configuration of our oline that won 4 of 5 games was what he wanted all along, and that he was ordered by Loomis and DA to start Penning at LT and feature Ruiz as some elite guard to justify Loomis' bad picks and just 'do you job, make it work.'

In the end, one less geriatric Matlock drinking buddy for Loomis and DA is a good thing, but the root of the problem is Loomis, who traded up to draft Penning and forced him to start, drafted and overpaid Ruiz, and broke the bank for Carr when it was obvious to anyone that our oline would struggle to protect an aging QB.

AsylumGuido · 02-04-2024, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

This could be good, but I am not sold on blaming Doug Marrone. We don't know what went on behind the scenes. While we had lots of high draft picks on offensive line many were considered high reaches, and many were drafted with a notion of playing them outside their normal positions which is a recipe for disaster. Cesar Ruiz was a center in college but we drafted him with our Center spot already taken by McCoy. Andrus Peat was a left tackle in college, but we drafted him on the notion that he could play right tackle or guard. Trevor Penning was just a raw rural juco kid and we penciled him in as day 1 starting left tackle.

Maybe Marrone was a bad coach, maybe he was a good coach, but what he had to work with was highly questionable. If he thought Penning was ready to start and took so long to realize Peat belonged at LT not Penning, and was all in with paying Cesar Ruiz, then he is an idiot. But its also possible that the final configuration of our oline that won 4 of 5 games was what he wanted all along, and that he was ordered by Loomis and DA to start Penning at LT and feature Ruiz as some elite guard to justify Loomis' bad picks and just 'do you job, make it work.'

In the end, one less geriatric Matlock drinking buddy for Loomis and DA is a good thing, but the root of the problem is Loomis, who traded up to draft Penning and forced him to start, drafted and overpaid Ruiz, and broke the bank for Carr when it was obvious to anyone that our oline would struggle to protect an aging QB.

And once again, everything from your fingertips turns into a Loomis bashing. Talk about beating a horse, yours just happens to be a one trick pony.

SmashMouth · 02-04-2024, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Can't say that I'm surprised.

Too many high draft picks under performing inside those trenches.

Source - Nick Underhill

Did Peat underperform that much?

K Major · 02-04-2024, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Did Peat underperform that much?

Last month or so, Peat was argubly the most consistent lineman on the entire Saints team.

In saying that, I hope we look to upgrade from him this off season

.

New coaches, new blocking scheme. We shall see.

AsylumGuido · 02-04-2024, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Did Peat underperform that much?

I've always felt the constant turnover due to injuries have been the greatest issue with our line over recent years. The offensive line is a unit that operates best when every man knows exactly what every other other man is going to do on their left and/or right. I have read and heard many times over that an offensive line with a couple of outstanding players and a forced rotation can appear more porous than one made up of five average players taking every snap together for the entire season.

Sinner · 02-04-2024, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

And once again, everything from your fingertips turns into a Loomis bashing. Talk about beating a horse, yours just happens to be a one trick pony.

He’s beating a horse that AINT dead, a pony whose one trick now seems to be General Mis-Management. Just wait until next season. It’s gonna be a doozy.

02-03-2024, 08:23 PM	#1
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Saints are parting ways with offensive line coach Doug Marrone, per source Can't say that I'm surprised. Too many high draft picks under performing inside those trenches. Source - Nick Underhill jnormand, Danno, Crusader and 1 others like this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints are parting ways with offensive line coach Doug Marrone, per source Kubiak's influence will change up things with scheme. I hope he bring in his own guy. Most of these old school coaches are stuck in their ways. Fresh, young faces are needed and necessary. saintsfan1976, SmashMouth and dizzle88 like this.

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lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,803 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints are parting ways with offensive line coach Doug Marrone, per source Here's your man I reckon James Cregg is in his second season as a 49ers assistant offensive line coach. He joined the 49ers after spending three seasons (2018-20) as the offensive line coach at Louisiana State University. jnormand, saintsfan1976, SmashMouth and 1 others like this.

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BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,135	Re: Saints are parting ways with offensive line coach Doug Marrone, per source This could be good, but I am not sold on blaming Doug Marrone. We don't know what went on behind the scenes. While we had lots of high draft picks on offensive line many were considered high reaches, and many were drafted with a notion of playing them outside their normal positions which is a recipe for disaster. Cesar Ruiz was a center in college but we drafted him with our Center spot already taken by McCoy. Andrus Peat was a left tackle in college, but we drafted him on the notion that he could play right tackle or guard. Trevor Penning was just a raw rural juco kid and we penciled him in as day 1 starting left tackle. Maybe Marrone was a bad coach, maybe he was a good coach, but what he had to work with was highly questionable. If he thought Penning was ready to start and took so long to realize Peat belonged at LT not Penning, and was all in with paying Cesar Ruiz, then he is an idiot. But its also possible that the final configuration of our oline that won 4 of 5 games was what he wanted all along, and that he was ordered by Loomis and DA to start Penning at LT and feature Ruiz as some elite guard to justify Loomis' bad picks and just 'do you job, make it work.' In the end, one less geriatric Matlock drinking buddy for Loomis and DA is a good thing, but the root of the problem is Loomis, who traded up to draft Penning and forced him to start, drafted and overpaid Ruiz, and broke the bank for Carr when it was obvious to anyone that our oline would struggle to protect an aging QB. neugey, SmashMouth, Sinner and 1 others like this.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,212	Re: Saints are parting ways with offensive line coach Doug Marrone, per source Originally Posted by BakoSaint This could be good, but I am not sold on blaming Doug Marrone. We don't know what went on behind the scenes. While we had lots of high draft picks on offensive line many were considered high reaches, and many were drafted with a notion of playing them outside their normal positions which is a recipe for disaster. Cesar Ruiz was a center in college but we drafted him with our Center spot already taken by McCoy. Andrus Peat was a left tackle in college, but we drafted him on the notion that he could play right tackle or guard. Trevor Penning was just a raw rural juco kid and we penciled him in as day 1 starting left tackle. Maybe Marrone was a bad coach, maybe he was a good coach, but what he had to work with was highly questionable. If he thought Penning was ready to start and took so long to realize Peat belonged at LT not Penning, and was all in with paying Cesar Ruiz, then he is an idiot. But its also possible that the final configuration of our oline that won 4 of 5 games was what he wanted all along, and that he was ordered by Loomis and DA to start Penning at LT and feature Ruiz as some elite guard to justify Loomis' bad picks and just 'do you job, make it work.' In the end, one less geriatric Matlock drinking buddy for Loomis and DA is a good thing, but the root of the problem is Loomis, who traded up to draft Penning and forced him to start, drafted and overpaid Ruiz, and broke the bank for Carr when it was obvious to anyone that our oline would struggle to protect an aging QB. And once again, everything from your fingertips turns into a Loomis bashing. Talk about beating a horse, yours just happens to be a one trick pony.

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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,123 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Saints are parting ways with offensive line coach Doug Marrone, per source Originally Posted by K Major Can't say that I'm surprised. Too many high draft picks under performing inside those trenches. Source - Nick Underhill Did Peat underperform that much?

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints are parting ways with offensive line coach Doug Marrone, per source Originally Posted by SmashMouth Did Peat underperform that much? Last month or so, Peat was argubly the most consistent lineman on the entire Saints team. In saying that, I hope we look to upgrade from him this off season . New coaches, new blocking scheme. We shall see. rezburna likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,212	Re: Saints are parting ways with offensive line coach Doug Marrone, per source Originally Posted by SmashMouth Did Peat underperform that much? I've always felt the constant turnover due to injuries have been the greatest issue with our line over recent years. The offensive line is a unit that operates best when every man knows exactly what every other other man is going to do on their left and/or right. I have read and heard many times over that an offensive line with a couple of outstanding players and a forced rotation can appear more porous than one made up of five average players taking every snap together for the entire season.

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Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,873	Re: Saints are parting ways with offensive line coach Doug Marrone, per source Originally Posted by AsylumGuido And once again, everything from your fingertips turns into a Loomis bashing. Talk about beating a horse, yours just happens to be a one trick pony. He’s beating a horse that AINT dead, a pony whose one trick now seems to be General Mis-Management. Just wait until next season. It’s gonna be a doozy.
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