Dennis Allen is the NFL's best defensive play caller

AsylumGuido · 02-08-2024, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I think he was being facetious. He has a good point though.

Yeah, I was being a little facetious, too.

bobdog86 · 02-08-2024, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Better bolster up that pass rush in 2024.

Hebert, Mahomes, Dak, Mayfield, Hurts, Love & Atl (X) can all scramble & are surgeons when they have time to throw.

Quality DL & DE play is needed and necessary.

i personally think this is priority 1

saintsfan1976 · 02-09-2024, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Yeah I'll admit the 27 points was over the top lol

However, it is a fact that Dennis Allen's Defense plays better in the second half.

Not saying it's all his fault because the offense definitely didn't help the D out much.

However there were must win games where we were in such a hole from the first half, that whilst his D played well in the second half, it was too little too late.

Vikings game - 24 points allowed 1st half, 3 points allowed 2nd half

Lions game - 24 points allowed 1st half, 9 points allowed 2nd half

Houston game - 17 points allowed 1st half, 3 points allowed 2nd half

As I say, not all on his D as the offense was inept for 3/4 of the season, but I don't quite believe Dennis Allens "half time adjustments are overrated" quip, when the stats absolutely back up that his team is better in the 2nd half.

In fact, the way the games went was a microcosm of how the season went. Dug a hole, worked to get out of it, got hot near the end when it was already too late.

Older players take longer to warm up.

K Major · 02-09-2024, 08:59 AM

Go find you a Will Anderson Jr (Texans DROY) in round 1.

Gotta generate a legit pass rush.

saintsfan1976 · 02-09-2024, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Go find you a Will Anderson Jr (Texans DROY) in round 1.

Gotta generate a legit pass rush.

Or use the guy you traded up for? Zach Baun

AsylumGuido · 02-09-2024, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Or use the guy you traded up for? Zach Baun

Not every player drafted #2 overall ends up like Will Anderson. Chase Young was drafted by Washington with the #2 overall pick at the same position and he's been a huge disappointment. It's always a crap shoot via the draft.

K Major · 02-09-2024, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Or use the guy you traded up for? Zach Baun

Personally, I'd like to upgrade from Zach.

If we are talking Free agency, I'd prefer a guy like John Uche.

If we're looking in the 2024 draft, the kid from Bama Dallas Turner.

saintsfan1976 · 02-09-2024, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Not every player drafted #2 overall ends up like Will Anderson. Chase Young was drafted by Washington with the #2 overall pick at the same position and he's been a huge disappointment. It's always a crap shoot via the draft.

I don't understand your comparison to Zach Baun here.

K Major · 02-09-2024, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

I don't understand your comparison to Zach Baun here.

Right.

Personally, the Saints as a team should ALWAYS be looking to get better at each and every position. Baun is a nice piece, however he is upgradable.

The lack of a consistent pass rush hurt us on the back end.

We gotta “hit” on these draft picks like Detroit & Texans have done.

bobdog86 · 02-09-2024, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Right.

Personally, the Saints as a team should ALWAYS be looking to get better at each and every position. Baun is a nice piece, however he is upgradable.

The lack of a consistent pass rush hurt us on the back end.

We gotta “hit” on these draft picks like Detroit & Texans have done.

This here 100 percent. May not be a popular opinion but I believe every D line slot is upgradeable. To include LB position (Davis excluded). Competition is healthy. Young pushes old, old teaches the young.

02-08-2024, 04:57 PM	#11
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,212	Re: Dennis Allen is the NFL's best defensive play caller Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I think he was being facetious. He has a good point though. Yeah, I was being a little facetious, too. Rugby Saint II likes this.

02-08-2024, 06:42 PM	#12
bobdog86 Site Donor Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,406	Re: Dennis Allen is the NFL's best defensive play caller Originally Posted by K Major Better bolster up that pass rush in 2024. Hebert, Mahomes, Dak, Mayfield, Hurts, Love & Atl (X) can all scramble & are surgeons when they have time to throw. Quality DL & DE play is needed and necessary. i personally think this is priority 1 jnormand, dizzle88 and K Major like this.

02-09-2024, 08:11 AM	#13
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Dennis Allen is the NFL's best defensive play caller Originally Posted by dizzle88 Yeah I'll admit the 27 points was over the top lol However, it is a fact that Dennis Allen's Defense plays better in the second half. Not saying it's all his fault because the offense definitely didn't help the D out much. However there were must win games where we were in such a hole from the first half, that whilst his D played well in the second half, it was too little too late. Vikings game - 24 points allowed 1st half, 3 points allowed 2nd half Lions game - 24 points allowed 1st half, 9 points allowed 2nd half Houston game - 17 points allowed 1st half, 3 points allowed 2nd half As I say, not all on his D as the offense was inept for 3/4 of the season, but I don't quite believe Dennis Allens "half time adjustments are overrated" quip, when the stats absolutely back up that his team is better in the 2nd half. In fact, the way the games went was a microcosm of how the season went. Dug a hole, worked to get out of it, got hot near the end when it was already too late. Older players take longer to warm up. Rugby Saint II likes this.

02-09-2024, 08:59 AM	#14
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02-09-2024, 09:20 AM	#15
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02-09-2024, 09:45 AM	#16
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,212	Re: Dennis Allen is the NFL's best defensive play caller Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Or use the guy you traded up for? Zach Baun Not every player drafted #2 overall ends up like Will Anderson. Chase Young was drafted by Washington with the #2 overall pick at the same position and he's been a huge disappointment. It's always a crap shoot via the draft.

02-09-2024, 09:48 AM	#17
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Dennis Allen is the NFL's best defensive play caller Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Or use the guy you traded up for? Zach Baun Personally, I'd like to upgrade from Zach. If we are talking Free agency, I'd prefer a guy like John Uche. If we're looking in the 2024 draft, the kid from Bama Dallas Turner. bobdog86 likes this.

02-09-2024, 10:55 AM	#18
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Dennis Allen is the NFL's best defensive play caller Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Not every player drafted #2 overall ends up like Will Anderson. Chase Young was drafted by Washington with the #2 overall pick at the same position and he's been a huge disappointment. It's always a crap shoot via the draft. I don't understand your comparison to Zach Baun here. K Major likes this.

02-09-2024, 11:01 AM	#19
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Dennis Allen is the NFL's best defensive play caller Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 I don't understand your comparison to Zach Baun here. Right. Personally, the Saints as a team should ALWAYS be looking to get better at each and every position. Baun is a nice piece, however he is upgradable. The lack of a consistent pass rush hurt us on the back end. We gotta “hit” on these draft picks like Detroit & Texans have done. Rugby Saint II likes this.

02-09-2024, 11:16 AM	#20
bobdog86 Site Donor Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,406	Re: Dennis Allen is the NFL's best defensive play caller Originally Posted by K Major Right. Personally, the Saints as a team should ALWAYS be looking to get better at each and every position. Baun is a nice piece, however he is upgradable. The lack of a consistent pass rush hurt us on the back end. We gotta “hit” on these draft picks like Detroit & Texans have done. This here 100 percent. May not be a popular opinion but I believe every D line slot is upgradeable. To include LB position (Davis excluded). Competition is healthy. Young pushes old, old teaches the young. Rugby Saint II, Sinner and K Major like this.