Carr Makes the Parade!

AsylumGuido · 02-10-2024, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

That's some serious math right there. I didn't know there would be math when I logged in today.

Everything you discussed adds up to a lot of dead money at the end of the contract. Thank goodness Gayle Benson doesn't worry about the bottom line and she doesn't mind writing large checks to cover our spending sprees. Also, we have to remember that every year we roll money forward we are counting on the cap increase and have money to spend now.

It's basically spending next years raise and bonus on the credit card now. On the down side, it bit us in the butt in 2019 when covid hit and we lost some valuable players in free agency we couldn't afford to keep.

Loomis has talked about getting the salary cap under control and I believe him. But it won't happen overnight. The Saints operate on a long term plan and the change will take a few years. So, have some patience. You'll need it.

Give up, Rugs.

Sinner · 02-10-2024, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You claim you have a life outside of your hatred of Loomis, but I'll wager you are lying to yourself. You are all consumed by it. 99% of your posts here end up one way or another in attempting to demean the man. All of this unbridled venom based upon an accounting method with which you disagree.

Dude, it ain't going to change. It's the way the Saints, and many other teams, have chosen to do business. Even if your dearest dreams come true and Loomis gets hit by a bus his successor will continue that same method of their choice.

But, keep it up if it's all you have to live for.

Hey Bako… Quido gives you permission to keep it up.

BakoSaint · 02-10-2024, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

That's some serious math right there. I didn't know there would be math when I logged in today.

Everything you discussed adds up to a lot of dead money at the end of the contract. Thank goodness Gayle Benson doesn't worry about the bottom line and she doesn't mind writing large checks to cover our spending sprees. Also, we have to remember that every year we roll money forward we are counting on the cap increase and have money to spend now.

It's basically spending next years raise and bonus on the credit card now. On the down side, it bit us in the butt in 2019 when covid hit and we lost some valuable players in free agency we couldn't afford to keep.

Loomis has talked about getting the salary cap under control and I believe him. But it won't happen overnight. The Saints operate on a long term plan and the change will take a few years. So, have some patience. You'll need it.

30+30+10+50=120 is 2nd grade math.

Every team in the league except two spent within ~$12 million of the salary cap in 2023, or 95-100% of the cap. It's not like Gayle is some baller or shot caller who is making it rain in Pac Man Jones strip club being willing to spend extra money other owners aren't. There is a salary cap. She is spending it. So are 30 other teams. And the two teams that spent about $30 million under both made the playoffs while we didn't, and one is in the Super Bowl. So Gayle is not willing to spend more than any other owner, because she is not able to spend more than any other owner, she is simply employing people who spend the same more poorly.

Its not the same as spending next years raise and bonus on the credit card today because it has different implications. If I pay a gym membership or blue apron meal plan or lease a Jaguar on a credit card today, hoping to pay off the card in the future or live with the revolving debt, I can decide later that I don't like that gym or meal plan or sports car and return it or sell it to someone else, and I still owe what I paid, but I don't have to pay off the credit card the day I cancel the gym or let the lease on the Jaguar expire. With the salary cap it works different than a credit card. If you borrow money to pay for a player, you have to pay off all that money in a lump sum to be allowed to release or trade that player. So you end up stuck with the gym membership, blue apron, for life and negotiating with the dealer to extend your lease on the 10yo Jaguar when you really want a Tesla or BMW. If not just a free credit line. Its more like your hiring union and your players can take a break whenever knowing they are impossible to cut and you can't make changes to fit new coaches or systems or react to injury or diminished performance.

You can believe Loomis all you want, but signing Carr was a step backward in getting the cap under control. Needlessly extending Cam when we still had him under contract and paying like his 2022 performance would last for 3 years was another. We keep taking steps back and thats not a process, thats not a case for patience. My patience rests with Loomis' liver not his word. I trust his liver won't sustain its bad habits indefinitely. His word? That isn't worth a thing.

BakoSaint · 02-10-2024, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You claim you have a life outside of your hatred of Loomis, but I'll wager you are lying to yourself. You are all consumed by it. 99% of your posts here end up one way or another in attempting to demean the man. All of this unbridled venom based upon an accounting method with which you disagree.

Dude, it ain't going to change. It's the way the Saints, and many other teams, have chosen to do business. Even if your dearest dreams come true and Loomis gets hit by a bus his successor will continue that same method of their choice.

But, keep it up if it's all you have to live for.

Plenty of people like to vent criticizing politicians and have fine lives. It's the people who love defending them that I worry about. Mickey Loomis will never know all the time you spent defending his honor and you will never be with him.

I have a life. I have reservations Monday taking my kid to Disneyland. There is going to be a parade that day. You know who will not be in it: Loomis, DA, or Carr. Despite your predictions! My predictions are accurate, so I have a happier life, because I am not disappointed, I just recognize the bad choices other people make and call them on it.

The rest of the league is not run like the Saints. That trendsetter thing is a delusion. We are about double over the cap as any other team in the league. Other teams are able to cut or trade aging players to free up future cap. The 49ers finished the season $30 million under the 2023 cap and are in the Super Bowl. The Bucs and Rams took cap hits to move aging vets for a brighter future and both made the playoffs over us. The Broncos cut Russell Wilson instead of restructuring his deal to get him help. Other teams restructure a contract here and there and occasionally go over the cap in a peak win now year, but they also rebuild and cut players and keep flexibility. Mickey is a horse with blinders on who can only push forward even if he has run off the track.

Sinner · 02-10-2024, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Plenty of people like to vent criticizing politicians and have fine lives. It's the people who love defending them that I worry about. Mickey Loomis will never know all the time you spent defending his honor and you will never be with him.

I have a life. I have reservations Monday taking my kid to Disneyland. There is going to be a parade that day. You know who will not be in it: Loomis, DA, or Carr. Despite your predictions! My predictions are accurate, so I have a happier life, because I am not disappointed, I just recognize the bad choices other people make and call them on it.

The rest of the league is not run like the Saints. That trendsetter thing is a delusion. We are about double over the cap as any other team in the league. Other teams are able to cut or trade aging players to free up future cap. The 49ers finished the season $30 million under the 2023 cap and are in the Super Bowl. The Bucs and Rams took cap hits to move aging vets for a brighter future and both made the playoffs over us. The Broncos cut Russell Wilson instead of restructuring his deal to get him help. Other teams restructure a contract here and there and occasionally go over the cap in a peak win now year, but they also rebuild and cut players and keep flexibility. Mickey is a horse with blinders on who can only push forward even if he has run off the track.

Se dat ^^^ right there? Yep.

K Major · 02-10-2024, 05:38 PM

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Rugby Saint II · 02-11-2024, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You claim you have a life outside of your hatred of Loomis, but I'll wager you are lying to yourself. You are all consumed by it. 99% of your posts here end up one way or another in attempting to demean the man. All of this unbridled venom based upon an accounting method with which you disagree.

Dude, it ain't going to change. It's the way the Saints, and many other teams, have chosen to do business. Even if your dearest dreams come true and Loomis gets hit by a bus his successor will continue that same method of their choice.

But, keep it up if it's all you have to live for.

It's the new standard. Living life on a credit card.

AsylumGuido · 02-11-2024, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Plenty of people like to vent criticizing politicians and have fine lives. It's the people who love defending them that I worry about. Mickey Loomis will never know all the time you spent defending his honor and you will never be with him.

I have a life. I have reservations Monday taking my kid to Disneyland. There is going to be a parade that day. You know who will not be in it: Loomis, DA, or Carr. Despite your predictions! My predictions are accurate, so I have a happier life, because I am not disappointed, I just recognize the bad choices other people make and call them on it.

The rest of the league is not run like the Saints. That trendsetter thing is a delusion. We are about double over the cap as any other team in the league. Other teams are able to cut or trade aging players to free up future cap. The 49ers finished the season $30 million under the 2023 cap and are in the Super Bowl. The Bucs and Rams took cap hits to move aging vets for a brighter future and both made the playoffs over us. The Broncos cut Russell Wilson instead of restructuring his deal to get him help. Other teams restructure a contract here and there and occasionally go over the cap in a peak win now year, but they also rebuild and cut players and keep flexibility. Mickey is a horse with blinders on who can only push forward even if he has run off the track.

Enjoy your parade with visions of Loomis dancing in your head. LOL!

02-10-2024, 01:32 PM	#11
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Carr Makes the Parade! Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II That's some serious math right there. I didn't know there would be math when I logged in today. Everything you discussed adds up to a lot of dead money at the end of the contract. Thank goodness Gayle Benson doesn't worry about the bottom line and she doesn't mind writing large checks to cover our spending sprees. Also, we have to remember that every year we roll money forward we are counting on the cap increase and have money to spend now. It's basically spending next years raise and bonus on the credit card now. On the down side, it bit us in the butt in 2019 when covid hit and we lost some valuable players in free agency we couldn't afford to keep. Loomis has talked about getting the salary cap under control and I believe him. But it won't happen overnight. The Saints operate on a long term plan and the change will take a few years. So, have some patience. You'll need it. Give up, Rugs.

02-10-2024, 02:59 PM	#12
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,768	Re: Carr Makes the Parade! Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You claim you have a life outside of your hatred of Loomis, but I'll wager you are lying to yourself. You are all consumed by it. 99% of your posts here end up one way or another in attempting to demean the man. All of this unbridled venom based upon an accounting method with which you disagree. Dude, it ain't going to change. It's the way the Saints, and many other teams, have chosen to do business. Even if your dearest dreams come true and Loomis gets hit by a bus his successor will continue that same method of their choice. But, keep it up if it's all you have to live for. Hey Bako… Quido gives you permission to keep it up.
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02-10-2024, 03:56 PM	#13
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 1,761	Re: Carr Makes the Parade! Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II That's some serious math right there. I didn't know there would be math when I logged in today. Everything you discussed adds up to a lot of dead money at the end of the contract. Thank goodness Gayle Benson doesn't worry about the bottom line and she doesn't mind writing large checks to cover our spending sprees. Also, we have to remember that every year we roll money forward we are counting on the cap increase and have money to spend now. It's basically spending next years raise and bonus on the credit card now. On the down side, it bit us in the butt in 2019 when covid hit and we lost some valuable players in free agency we couldn't afford to keep. Loomis has talked about getting the salary cap under control and I believe him. But it won't happen overnight. The Saints operate on a long term plan and the change will take a few years. So, have some patience. You'll need it. 30+30+10+50=120 is 2nd grade math. Every team in the league except two spent within ~$12 million of the salary cap in 2023, or 95-100% of the cap. It's not like Gayle is some baller or shot caller who is making it rain in Pac Man Jones strip club being willing to spend extra money other owners aren't. There is a salary cap. She is spending it. So are 30 other teams. And the two teams that spent about $30 million under both made the playoffs while we didn't, and one is in the Super Bowl. So Gayle is not willing to spend more than any other owner, because she is not able to spend more than any other owner, she is simply employing people who spend the same more poorly. Its not the same as spending next years raise and bonus on the credit card today because it has different implications. If I pay a gym membership or blue apron meal plan or lease a Jaguar on a credit card today, hoping to pay off the card in the future or live with the revolving debt, I can decide later that I don't like that gym or meal plan or sports car and return it or sell it to someone else, and I still owe what I paid, but I don't have to pay off the credit card the day I cancel the gym or let the lease on the Jaguar expire. With the salary cap it works different than a credit card. If you borrow money to pay for a player, you have to pay off all that money in a lump sum to be allowed to release or trade that player. So you end up stuck with the gym membership, blue apron, for life and negotiating with the dealer to extend your lease on the 10yo Jaguar when you really want a Tesla or BMW. If not just a free credit line. Its more like your hiring union and your players can take a break whenever knowing they are impossible to cut and you can't make changes to fit new coaches or systems or react to injury or diminished performance. You can believe Loomis all you want, but signing Carr was a step backward in getting the cap under control. Needlessly extending Cam when we still had him under contract and paying like his 2022 performance would last for 3 years was another. We keep taking steps back and thats not a process, thats not a case for patience. My patience rests with Loomis' liver not his word. I trust his liver won't sustain its bad habits indefinitely. His word? That isn't worth a thing.
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02-10-2024, 04:10 PM	#14
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 1,761	Re: Carr Makes the Parade! Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You claim you have a life outside of your hatred of Loomis, but I'll wager you are lying to yourself. You are all consumed by it. 99% of your posts here end up one way or another in attempting to demean the man. All of this unbridled venom based upon an accounting method with which you disagree. Dude, it ain't going to change. It's the way the Saints, and many other teams, have chosen to do business. Even if your dearest dreams come true and Loomis gets hit by a bus his successor will continue that same method of their choice. But, keep it up if it's all you have to live for. Plenty of people like to vent criticizing politicians and have fine lives. It's the people who love defending them that I worry about. Mickey Loomis will never know all the time you spent defending his honor and you will never be with him. I have a life. I have reservations Monday taking my kid to Disneyland. There is going to be a parade that day. You know who will not be in it: Loomis, DA, or Carr. Despite your predictions! My predictions are accurate, so I have a happier life, because I am not disappointed, I just recognize the bad choices other people make and call them on it. The rest of the league is not run like the Saints. That trendsetter thing is a delusion. We are about double over the cap as any other team in the league. Other teams are able to cut or trade aging players to free up future cap. The 49ers finished the season $30 million under the 2023 cap and are in the Super Bowl. The Bucs and Rams took cap hits to move aging vets for a brighter future and both made the playoffs over us. The Broncos cut Russell Wilson instead of restructuring his deal to get him help. Other teams restructure a contract here and there and occasionally go over the cap in a peak win now year, but they also rebuild and cut players and keep flexibility. Mickey is a horse with blinders on who can only push forward even if he has run off the track. Rugby Saint II, Sinner and K Major like this.
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02-10-2024, 05:17 PM	#15
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,768	Re: Carr Makes the Parade! Originally Posted by BakoSaint Plenty of people like to vent criticizing politicians and have fine lives. It's the people who love defending them that I worry about. Mickey Loomis will never know all the time you spent defending his honor and you will never be with him. I have a life. I have reservations Monday taking my kid to Disneyland. There is going to be a parade that day. You know who will not be in it: Loomis, DA, or Carr. Despite your predictions! My predictions are accurate, so I have a happier life, because I am not disappointed, I just recognize the bad choices other people make and call them on it. The rest of the league is not run like the Saints. That trendsetter thing is a delusion. We are about double over the cap as any other team in the league. Other teams are able to cut or trade aging players to free up future cap. The 49ers finished the season $30 million under the 2023 cap and are in the Super Bowl. The Bucs and Rams took cap hits to move aging vets for a brighter future and both made the playoffs over us. The Broncos cut Russell Wilson instead of restructuring his deal to get him help. Other teams restructure a contract here and there and occasionally go over the cap in a peak win now year, but they also rebuild and cut players and keep flexibility. Mickey is a horse with blinders on who can only push forward even if he has run off the track. Se dat ^^^ right there? Yep.
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02-11-2024, 01:18 PM	#18
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Carr Makes the Parade! Originally Posted by BakoSaint Plenty of people like to vent criticizing politicians and have fine lives. It's the people who love defending them that I worry about. Mickey Loomis will never know all the time you spent defending his honor and you will never be with him. I have a life. I have reservations Monday taking my kid to Disneyland. There is going to be a parade that day. You know who will not be in it: Loomis, DA, or Carr. Despite your predictions! My predictions are accurate, so I have a happier life, because I am not disappointed, I just recognize the bad choices other people make and call them on it. The rest of the league is not run like the Saints. That trendsetter thing is a delusion. We are about double over the cap as any other team in the league. Other teams are able to cut or trade aging players to free up future cap. The 49ers finished the season $30 million under the 2023 cap and are in the Super Bowl. The Bucs and Rams took cap hits to move aging vets for a brighter future and both made the playoffs over us. The Broncos cut Russell Wilson instead of restructuring his deal to get him help. Other teams restructure a contract here and there and occasionally go over the cap in a peak win now year, but they also rebuild and cut players and keep flexibility. Mickey is a horse with blinders on who can only push forward even if he has run off the track. Enjoy your parade with visions of Loomis dancing in your head. LOL!