Saints 2024 Projected Win Total 7.5
 

I don't recall seeing this posted but DAMN... only7.5 games?

Vegas nailed us last season at 9.5 (9 wins).

How does this make you feel?

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I have us at 7 or 8 wins as of right now.

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I'm at 9.

We won 9 last year, we've improved (assuming O-line gets better) enough for two extra wins, but our schedule is probably two games harder...

So 9 wins, tied for division title. We just need to win the tie-breakers

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8 wins seems about right.

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YAWN…

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1 game. Shadeur comes to New Orleans

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Seems realistic. Our schedule is harder. Our division rival got a qb. Our old core is a year older. We have no offensive tackles. Carr is mediocre but Carr has to stay healthy behind no quality experienced tackles, and if he doesn’t its the Haener - Peterman show not Winston. Also in Winston the team lost its most passionate leader in the locker room. I am not saying we could not win 9 games, but 9-10 games is the ceiling and 1-2 is the floor.

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Before Draft I'd guess 9 wins.


Home games
Atlanta Falcons - W
Carolina Panthers - W
Tampa Bay Buccaneers - L
Cleveland Browns - L
Denver Broncos - W
Las Vegas Raiders - W
Los Angeles Rams - L
Philadelphia Eagles - L
Washington Commanders - W

Road games
Atlanta Falcons - L
Carolina Panthers - W
Tampa Bay Buccaneers - W
Dallas Cowboys - L
Green Bay Packers - W
Kansas City Chiefs - L
Los Angeles Chargers - L
New York Giants - W

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May seem high.... schedule Gods did us no favors this coming season... not that it mattered last year.

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17 games won regular season. Three games won postseason.

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^^^This is what happens when you put fentanyl in yo fruit loops.

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Unless they pull a rabbit out the hat and sort the offensive line and maybe DT i'd say they would do well exceptional well to get over that.

The division is hard to predict as the games are normally close even when a team isn't good. Outside of that how many of the teams are you making them favourites against Denver,Washington,Giants. So unless they pull out 4 wins in division it'll be tough. Though difficult to say when injuries start piling up for teams

Home games
Cleveland Browns
Denver Broncos
Las Vegas Raiders
Los Angeles Rams
Philadelphia Eagles
Washington Commanders

Road games

Dallas Cowboys
Green Bay Packers
Kansas City Chiefs
Los Angeles Chargers
New York Giants

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Is New Orleans on Coach Prime's list of "approved" teams? He has already said that his kid wouldn't play for certain teams.

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If they fire Allen, hire him, and draft both Shiloh and Shadeur.

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doubt it. EZ money for ms benson though... all the fools and their money soon to be parted and given to her. :beatnik:

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If we can simply get off to a fast start under Kubiak's offense we could win ten games. If we start off the way we finished down the stretch last year we might surprise some folks. Let's see how we draft this year and then revisit this. Right now I'm feeling cautiously optimistic.

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Detilier makes his prediction ... 8-9. Below average.

If the Saints miss the post season (again), it's probably time to hire a new Head coach.

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BOOOOOO!!!

Doom and Glooooom

You're not welcome here, know nothing Mike Detilier, whoever you are, never heard of you, probably did nothing, no good, talking head, full of downer takes, you.

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7 probable, 8 less probable, 9 doubtful but is in any Saints fan realm of wishful thinking...anything above 9 is in the I'll have what Guido is smoking.

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Got my first 2024 NFL bet on my Caesar's App on that 7.5 over. Easy money.

:bng:

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Well, it could be said that, last year, Carr was relatively healthy the first 2 games of the year and for the 7 games after the bye. In those games the team was 6-3 last year. That’s a 11-12 win season with a healthy Carr.

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Broncos, Raiders, Giants, Panthers & Commanders should be slam dunks.

Everything else is a toss up including Atlanta.

Yep, 8 wins seems about right.

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During the Offseason "The Guido Shuffle" is sung to the tune of "The Song Remains The Same"

Guido, whoa-oh-oh-oh
He's got the money, to go to the show
Guido's waitin' to blow that dough
Guido, whoa-oh-oh-oh
GUIDO!!...........

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Hey, it goes along with The Immigrant Song too!

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Maybe optimistic, but I'm going 10 wins. Each year teams that are supposed to be good are bad and teams the are bad are good. I'm going 10-7, 1st round knock out. Unfortunately if I am right, it's another season with DA.

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While I expect the Broncos to struggle, they have a coaching advantage, and they did beat the following playoff teams last year: Chiefs, Packers, Bills, and Browns. They were not consistent but had a hard schedule, finished 8-9, and could beat anyone any given Sunday.

The Raiders last year put up 63 points on the Chargers, and also beat the Superbowl champ Chiefs. They finished 3-1 under a young energetic coach. If you want to make a bad coaching excuse, the Josh McDaniels was like if Pete Carmichael was head coach and GM and less likeable and more insecure. The Raiders again played a harder schedule than the Saints last year and finished 8-9.

We play the Giants in December and could be playing in snow. While not great, Daniel Jones is a lot better than Danny Devito and they have made the playoffs more recently than us.

The Commanders were horrible in 2023 but they have a certain QB you may have heard of, who Guido might be predicting 30-0 if we drafted him. We play them late in the season, and if he is the next CJ Stroud we could lose. Remember, our game with the Texans last year was a slam dunk too.

Anyway, I think these so called slam dunks are actually toss ups we could win but might lose. The Panthers are where we have to hope for a slam dunk. But if we go 1-0 against the Panthers in the opener, what happens the next 5 games against the cowboys, eagles, at falcons with cousins, and chiefs? We could be 1-4 heading into a matchup vs Tampa, or we could be 2-3 or 3-2 if lucky.

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Here is a thought. The Saints haven’t been crappy enough to warrant a top 10 pick since 2008 and not crappy enough for a top 5 since 2006. That’s a long time. So, on the unlikely chance the team sucks badly enough for a top 3 pick next year then maybe we get our future QB. Not that I’m predicting anything.

So we got that going for us, which is nice.

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It could be said that Carr is 1 year older and playing behind a much less experienced offensive line and facing a less easy schedule of opponents in 2024 than 2023. Last year many said we would have a great record because Lattimore and Thomas's injuries in 2022 were a fluke, but it turns out that with age and risk factors injuries can be a pattern.

But in the end its ok. If we don't win a lot of games we still have our own 1st round pick so we have insurance. If we win, great, if we don't, we could be in a position to draft a QB of the future and that position will also help attract better coaching candidates than for example Carolina was able to with no 1st round pick and looking for a coach or we would have been this offseason with a later 1st round pick than our own.

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Mebbe ... or mebbe we have our QB of the future already in the QB room.

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As far as the Oline goes there are obviously going to be a lot of new parts. I don’t know if lack of experience is a bad thing. That means getting younger. Especially when we’re switching to a new blocking scheme this off-season anyway. Penning will be more experienced and hopefully healthier. They brought in guys from other teams with experience but past health issues. I’m sure they could have signed Peat had they wanted to. They feel good about moving on. The key is always is going to be health. Can Ram play at all? I heard some of the guys we brought in as free agents had promising starts to their career, but were sidelined by health issues. Can they stay on the field?

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Our Super Bowl Win was in 2010. It’s 2024, and y’all still willing to sit back and watch to see if we stink bad enough through another season, to hopefully draft better for the following season? Or is it to sit through another mediocre season to watch a team in “rebuild” mode for a few more seasons? I haven’t bought a jersey in quite a few years, so are they mailing y’all opium with a your Derek Carr jerseys? I don’t get it. Help a Brother out here.

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I kind of wonder what if Rattler turns out to be a Teddy Bridgewater level QB. Like not great, but pretty good. If that happens, which is definitely possible not just either great or worthless, its possible we could take a new QB in the draft at some point and get a good draft pick for Rattler to down the line to help our oline. Or if our defense is great in the future, maybe a good but not great QB will be good enough.

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At the very worst Derek Carr himself is "good but not great". Why look elsewhere? And that said, you'll never convince me that either Haener or Rattler can give us more than Carr anytime soon, if at all. I can't see either as more than a serviceable backup.

Oh, and as far as we know we already have all the help we need for our o-line in the house right now. Of course, seeing the possibility takes an open mind and some optimism.

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I am willing to watch a rebuild if it is done right. I don't know how rebuild became a dirty word. It's a false premise that we have been 'stuck' in a rebuild and it isn't working. We have been stuck in the opposite of a rebuild since before Brees retired, going all in, maxing out future salary caps more than any other team, trading future draft picks and trading up to win now. Only in this 2023 offseason did we slowly begin to detatch the first brick from the pile on the bad pedal and possibly start looking to order the bolts to reattach the brake pedals.

We are ~$85 million over the 2025 salary cap already in 2024, the most in the entire nfl by just over double with the Browns ~$42 million over. That is a lot of things, but it is not a rebuild. It is more like a financial crisis. Will the imaginary analyst who says we can't get under the 2025 salary cap be wrong? Yes. But, will we have to make some dubious contract restructures with struggling, injured, and aging players? Yes. But finally this offseason we did not restructure more than the 75% or so of key vets we had to restructure. So, that means in the 2025 offseason we can cut or trade players we didn't just restructure, and actually reduce not increase our cap with releases. We could see players go like Kamara ($19 million cap savings), Lattimore ($11 million cap savings), Hill ($5 million cap savings), Ram ($6 million cap savings). If two are designated Post-June-1 cuts the savings may be even greater.

We are not yet in a rebuild. We are in the first year of a sort of pre-re-build slowing of insanity hopefully. If we continue on this route, we could be in a rebuild next year. We could lead the NFL in dead cap in 2025 but also potentially set sort of record for the biggest improvement in future cap deficit ever in a two year period if we continue to make cuts to bad contracts with aging players.

I am not against rebuilds, because rebuilds work. The Bucs could not have won a ring with Brady if they didn't come in with a monster stockpile of salary cap space to sign Brady, Gronk, and a supporting cast. The Rams could not have stockpiled the talent for their ring if they did not start way under the cap. The Lions would not have the talent they do if they did not lose before they one. We are in cyclic league and if you try to buy your way out of ever having a losing season, you will get stuck at 9-8 or 8-9 until your stars get grey hairs on their 5th restructure and then you will lose anyway.

The only way to win without a rebuild in this league is to have a generational QB like Brady or Maholmes, a generational coach like Belichick or Reid, and having both of those to be incredibly disciplined and trade away or let walk very talented players like Tyreek Hill, Tyrann Mathieu, Chandler Jones, Ty Law, etc so that you never get in salary cap debt and can constantly surround your star QB and coach with a good but perhaps not great supporting cost and let them carry the weight without getting in the kind of cap and draft pick debt that create long term problems. The Saints briefly tried this model at least in terms of trading expensive non-qb stars in the era where we traded players like Jimmy Graham and Brandin Cooks but Sean Payton was not quite on Belichick or Reid's level, could not quite hang in the biggest games, and could not do as well to bring in the right people to maintain minimum standards on the opposite side of the ball from his expertise. Therefore we abandoned this model, went all in to win now in Brees later years, came up short, and now need to rebuild.

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Hey, sinner guy, if you're so unhappy with the Saints why don't you just move on to another team? I doubt you'd be missed.

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Speaking on the o-line ...

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Why do you get so upset about people talking about the Saints on a Saints web site? Honest question, why are you here? If the team disappoints you so much and you have nothing positive to say and you can't understand why people follow the team, then GTFO. It's pretty simple. You are the polar opposite of Guido but you won't admit it.

I don't undwerstand. Help a brother out.

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Sometimes good but not great QBs become not even good around Carr's age. While some generational QBs have played at a high level into their 40's like Brady, Brees, Favre, and Manning, sometime the next tier down hits a brick wall a bit earlier. Carr is 33. Jim Everett was 31 when he joined the Saints. Drew Bledsoe was 30 when he joined the Bills and 33 when he joined the Cowboys. Donovan McNabb was 33 when he joined the Redskins. Carson Palmer was 31 when he joined the Raiders and 33 when he joined the Cardinals. Andy Dalton was 32 when he lost his starting gig with the Bengals and became a backup for the Cowboys. Joe Flacco was 33 when he was replaced by Lamar Jackson after injury and was never counted on as a season long starter again. Jimmy Garappalo turned 32 last season with the Raiders.

While I agree that Carr is a lot better than any of our other QBs now, and any mid-round QB like Haener and Rattler is more of a lottery ticket than a sure thing to ever produce, I do think its very realistic that we may need to scratch off those lottery tickets and see what we have soon because it would not be surprising for Carr to decline at this stage in his career to the point that we do start trying other options. It takes a lot more insane committment to keep up the physical and mental work to remain elite in the mid and late 30's for a QB. Sometimes, great success may facilitate extra motivation to do that, so thats why we may see the greats often able to play until 40. But the next tier down may not have the motivation to work harder than ever before and become smarter on the field than ever before to make up for their bodies starting to slow down, and instead as their bodies slow down they may throw in the towel.

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Of course you take the glass half empty view. Not unexpected. :D