Question about the Saint's upcoming season

Boston Saint · 05-25-2024, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Dayummm. You must be a carpenter.

I just play one on TV.

AsylumGuido · 05-25-2024, 04:53 PM

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AsylumGuido · 05-25-2024, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I just play one on TV.

Rugby Saint II · 05-26-2024, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

That tie looks like the perfect thing to get caught in an unforgiving power tool with no conscience.

TheOak · 05-28-2024, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

The post Brees/Payton era has been rough so far (not as rough as the Patriot's re-start thankfully for me). This season obviously will be key for the future direction of the organization. So I will ask a seemingly stupid question.

Are you pulling for the Saints to win the NFCS this season?

Simple as that...Yes or No without caveats. Wondering who besides myself and Guido will say Yes or even answer.

Some of us remember the pre-Brees/Payton era so we are conditioned. Also, there is a marked difference between wanting a team to win and passive-aggressively attacking fellow fans because they understand that desire does not affect reality.

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Please cite these studies.

See... Gen-x grew up without the internet which forced us to hone and reply on objectivity, deductive reasoning and critical thinking. This resulted in a generation that doesn't gulp down internet studies like baby birds waiting for momma to feed them.

That said. Here is a study on Optimism.

https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/1009650

Boston Saint · 05-28-2024, 09:36 AM

Having been born in the 60s I remember the pre-breeze/Payton area very well myself. That is one of the things that makes me laugh when I hear people complain about how poor the state of the franchise is now. Even with 7-10 and 9-8 records over the last two seasons The franchise is in a much better spot than it was in the days with fans wearing bags over their heads.

That’s an interesting study you point out that has nothing to do with the conversation at hand. Just as I have clearly pointed out that I do not agree with Guido’s overly optimistic view of the franchise, I do not agree with other user’s obsessively pessimistic observations, and predictions. What’s more I don’t understand either side’s need to try to force others to agree with their point of view.

According to another optimism/Pessimism study:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3807005/

“Nonetheless, the empirical literature suggests that, in regard to one's general attitude, being in the middle of the optimism-pessimism continuum (i.e. practicing 'realism') is not necessarily the best. A moderate dose of optimism, although it distorts one's perception of reality to some extent, can be advantageous. Studies that investigated the correlation between optimism and health suggest that optimists generally have better physical health [317], less cardiovascular diseases [318] and improved immunological functioning [319]. Furthermore, optimists and their romantic partners indicated greater satisfaction in their relationships…”

TheOak · 05-28-2024, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Having been born in the 60s I remember the pre-breeze/Payton area very well myself. That is one of the things that makes me laugh when I hear people complain about how poor the state of the franchise is now. Even with 7-10 and 9-8 records over the last two seasons The franchise is in a much better spot than it was in the days with fans wearing bags over their heads.

That’s an interesting study you point out that has nothing to do with the conversation at hand. Just as I have clearly pointed out that I do not agree with Guido’s overly optimistic view of the franchise, I do not agree with other user’s obsessively pessimistic observations, and predictions. What’s more I don’t understand either side’s need to try to force others to agree with their point of view.

According to another optimism/Pessimism study:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3807005/

“Nonetheless, the empirical literature suggests that, in regard to one's general attitude, being in the middle of the optimism-pessimism continuum (i.e. practicing 'realism') is not necessarily the best. A moderate dose of optimism, although it distorts one's perception of reality to some extent, can be advantageous. Studies that investigated the correlation between optimism and health suggest that optimists generally have better physical health [317], less cardiovascular diseases [318] and improved immunological functioning [319]. Furthermore, optimists and their romantic partners indicated greater satisfaction in their relationships…”

Not sure that told the story you wanted it to.

So... Healthy due to the distorted reality which is summed up eloquently in the phrase 'ignorance being bliss'.

As far as for relationships (doesn't specify romantic), it seems to destroy them when coupled with narcissism and the general air that ones fairy tale is somehow due to some greater understanding when it reality it is simply the Dunning-Krueger effect.

So when people reference delusion they are actually correct.

Boston Saint · 05-28-2024, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Not sure that told the story you wanted it to.

So... Healthy due to the distorted reality which is summed up eloquently in the phrase 'ignorance being bliss'.

As far as for relationships (doesn't specify romantic), it seems to destroy them when coupled with narcissism and the general air that ones fairy tale is somehow due to some greater understanding when it reality it is simply the Dunning-Krueger effect.

So when people reference delusion they are actually correct.

I wasn’t looking for it to tell any story. You, like Sinner in other posts, assume things incorrectly.

Sinner · 05-28-2024, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I wasn’t looking for it to tell any story. You, like Sinner in other posts, assume things incorrectly.

You, like Quido in other posts, create all kinds of smoke and mirrors to deflect from the fact that the Saints Team Management and overall performance has been a disappointment. You may be able to distract yourself, but the smokescreen doesn’t translate to what has been clearly displayed on the field at game time, or on our TV screens. You make this personal, when it’s a “professional” matter.

iceshack149 · 05-28-2024, 03:04 PM

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Question about the Saint's upcoming season Originally Posted by Boston Saint The post Brees/Payton era has been rough so far (not as rough as the Patriot's re-start thankfully for me). This season obviously will be key for the future direction of the organization. So I will ask a seemingly stupid question. Are you pulling for the Saints to win the NFCS this season? Simple as that...Yes or No without caveats. Wondering who besides myself and Guido will say Yes or even answer. Some of us remember the pre-Brees/Payton era so we are conditioned. Also, there is a marked difference between wanting a team to win and passive-aggressively attacking fellow fans because they understand that desire does not affect reality. Originally Posted by Boston Saint Please cite these studies. See... Gen-x grew up without the internet which forced us to hone and reply on objectivity, deductive reasoning and critical thinking. This resulted in a generation that doesn't gulp down internet studies like baby birds waiting for momma to feed them. That said. Here is a study on Optimism. https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/1009650 saintsfan1976, Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.

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05-28-2024, 09:36 AM	#36
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Question about the Saint's upcoming season Having been born in the 60s I remember the pre-breeze/Payton area very well myself. That is one of the things that makes me laugh when I hear people complain about how poor the state of the franchise is now. Even with 7-10 and 9-8 records over the last two seasons The franchise is in a much better spot than it was in the days with fans wearing bags over their heads. That’s an interesting study you point out that has nothing to do with the conversation at hand. Just as I have clearly pointed out that I do not agree with Guido’s overly optimistic view of the franchise, I do not agree with other user’s obsessively pessimistic observations, and predictions. What’s more I don’t understand either side’s need to try to force others to agree with their point of view. According to another optimism/Pessimism study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3807005/ “Nonetheless, the empirical literature suggests that, in regard to one's general attitude, being in the middle of the optimism-pessimism continuum (i.e. practicing 'realism') is not necessarily the best. A moderate dose of optimism, although it distorts one's perception of reality to some extent, can be advantageous. Studies that investigated the correlation between optimism and health suggest that optimists generally have better physical health [317], less cardiovascular diseases [318] and improved immunological functioning [319]. Furthermore, optimists and their romantic partners indicated greater satisfaction in their relationships…” SaintFanInATLHELL, AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.
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05-28-2024, 09:54 AM	#37
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Question about the Saint's upcoming season Originally Posted by Boston Saint Having been born in the 60s I remember the pre-breeze/Payton area very well myself. That is one of the things that makes me laugh when I hear people complain about how poor the state of the franchise is now. Even with 7-10 and 9-8 records over the last two seasons The franchise is in a much better spot than it was in the days with fans wearing bags over their heads. That’s an interesting study you point out that has nothing to do with the conversation at hand. Just as I have clearly pointed out that I do not agree with Guido’s overly optimistic view of the franchise, I do not agree with other user’s obsessively pessimistic observations, and predictions. What’s more I don’t understand either side’s need to try to force others to agree with their point of view. According to another optimism/Pessimism study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3807005/ “Nonetheless, the empirical literature suggests that, in regard to one's general attitude, being in the middle of the optimism-pessimism continuum (i.e. practicing 'realism') is not necessarily the best. A moderate dose of optimism, although it distorts one's perception of reality to some extent, can be advantageous. Studies that investigated the correlation between optimism and health suggest that optimists generally have better physical health [317], less cardiovascular diseases [318] and improved immunological functioning [319]. Furthermore, optimists and their romantic partners indicated greater satisfaction in their relationships…” Not sure that told the story you wanted it to. So... Healthy due to the distorted reality which is summed up eloquently in the phrase 'ignorance being bliss'. As far as for relationships (doesn't specify romantic), it seems to destroy them when coupled with narcissism and the general air that ones fairy tale is somehow due to some greater understanding when it reality it is simply the Dunning-Krueger effect. So when people reference delusion they are actually correct. Sinner and K Major like this.

05-28-2024, 10:15 AM	#38
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Question about the Saint's upcoming season Originally Posted by TheOak Not sure that told the story you wanted it to. So... Healthy due to the distorted reality which is summed up eloquently in the phrase 'ignorance being bliss'. As far as for relationships (doesn't specify romantic), it seems to destroy them when coupled with narcissism and the general air that ones fairy tale is somehow due to some greater understanding when it reality it is simply the Dunning-Krueger effect. So when people reference delusion they are actually correct. I wasn’t looking for it to tell any story. You, like Sinner in other posts, assume things incorrectly.

05-28-2024, 10:49 AM	#39
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,952	Re: Question about the Saint's upcoming season Originally Posted by Boston Saint I wasn’t looking for it to tell any story. You, like Sinner in other posts, assume things incorrectly. You, like Quido in other posts, create all kinds of smoke and mirrors to deflect from the fact that the Saints Team Management and overall performance has been a disappointment. You may be able to distract yourself, but the smokescreen doesn’t translate to what has been clearly displayed on the field at game time, or on our TV screens. You make this personal, when it’s a “professional” matter. K Major likes this.
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