Reasons To Be Positive

Sinner · 07-16-2024, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

You talk BAD ABOUT THE SAINTS. AND ONLY BAD ABOUT THEM!

No one wants to hear that crap all day long.

You literally say SAINTS SUCK SAINTS SUCK SAINTS SUCK SAINTS SUCK SAINTS SUCK day after day after day after day.

It sounds like a child banging on a pot all day. Eventually you don't care why they are banging on the pot. You just want the incessant noise to stop.

You don't talk about what the team should do. Or what they should have done. Or how they can get better.

You only talk about how bad they are and how you hate them for it.

Just get out of here with that damn racket. My most fervent wish is that you choose to stop it.

But you're not going to. So, I choose not to stop either.

SFIAH

You still at it?

Let’s try this again…

THIS IS A SAINTS FORUM. I TALK ABOUT THE SAINTS.

This is not a ME FORUM. YOU JUST KEEP TALKING ABOUT ME.

Work it out.

mapcow · 07-16-2024, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Same question to you as to Sinner. If it's so easy to build a premier winning team, then why don't you tell us exactly how to do it?

You don't get to victim blame here and say that Ms. Benson doesn't bother to do better because we as fans will accept whatever product the Saints organization fields.

Just recognize that neither of you have any clue how to put together a winning organization. It's simple to sit on the sidelines an boo. But even worse you both insist on hanging around here and continuously dump you doom and gloom upon us.

I'd like to hear your proposals on how to fix the Saints, since you've clearly identified all of the problems with them.

SFIAH

sure i do. I am just a fan, and a disgruntled one at that.

mapcow · 07-16-2024, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

This site is no longer great. And that's primarily because of you. Not the Saints. Not their personnel. Not their organization. You.

You are like the dog in the fire smoking a cig, saying everything is fine. The obliviousness you show when multiple people are literally screaming that the problem is you, and your compatriots, in your face is absolutely astounding to watch.

The bickering is a byproduct of the fact that you will not leave any conversation about the team alone because you are pissed off that they cannot deliver you a SuperBowl championship every year. You "know" that the team needs to be changed. You also know that isn't happening anytime soon. So, your expression of your frustration is to spew crap on any conversation here that states anything other than blowing up the whole thing up and starting over.

People are getting frustrated with you. And we cannot ignore you because you are everywhere on here. You don't want to talk Saints football. You don't want to talk about how things can get better. All you want to do is complain bitterly here, aggravate many people here, then hide your hands with "I'm just expressing myself. If you don't like it then you can just ignore me." knowing full well that there is no way to do that.

So, drop your trite "The Saints are the problem." The problem is you. And you won't do anything to try to rectify it.

So, I'm taking a page your book. Since you are the problem on this site in my estimation. And like the Saints you cannot seem to fix it, I'm going to complain about you everywhere you go here. And I'm calling for everyone who is as aggravated as I am with this to do the same. Maybe when you start to see every one of your post followed by 20-30 responses about how you are ruining this site, maybe you'll finally have some self reflection and make some changes.

I don't understand if your problem is with the Saints, why don't you address your issues with them? E-mail Loomis, or Greg Bensel, their VP of Communications and express your displeasure to them. Do it every day if you like. They are the ones who need to hear your complaints, not us.

And yes, I'm just expressing what I perceive and feel. And like you I will continue to do so at every turn. I would even advise folks to put me on ignore too because every response of mine that follows you is going to be just like this one.

SFIAH

IGNORE Feature ... use it. OR don't read the post.

mapcow · 07-16-2024, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

No. It's about you. All you ever do it complain about where we are. You never give a suggestion about what to do, other than fire Allen then full stop, or what the organization should have done. I gave you a list of the 10 coaches hired Allen's year, and another watch list for 2025 and asked you to discuss. As always you refused. You'd rather just talk about how terrible Allen is and how terrible Loomis is for picking him.

But buddy, your worst nightmare may be coming. The 2024 Saints have a realistic chance of going 10-7 and winning the NFC South. They then get to host a playoff game, which winning may be a possibility. And then your're going be stuck with Allen for another 4 years.

Of course it's my worst nightmare too, because then I'll have 4 more years of hearing your whining.

SFIAH

hardheaded you are..... IGNORE....oh, and the truth about the Saints hurt.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 07-16-2024, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

This place is barely worth coming to anymore. I used to come here to get all my Saints news and have constructive discussions with other fans. Now this place and seemingly every Saints related thread is dominated by people that either have zero interest in having a conversation and just want to troll threads or people that seem to get their sayings from WWF wrestlers from the 1980s “There will be pain!!!”

I miss the days of JoeSam, Hagen, FF and JP.

Those guys were knowledgeable and could have a conversation or debate on the team or a player or coach without turning the entire thread into nothing but trash talking and posturing.

I apologize to you and everyone else (except for Sinner of course) for having to take the posturing stand here. I don't want to do this. But I just cannot stand to have this go on for another season. I agree with you that this incessant trash talking of the current team in any thread that attempts to talk about the current team barely makes it worth coming here.

I'm trying to put a stop to it. I figure that either I will be banned, or Sinner will. In either case there will be a merciful end to this.

I was here with those guys. I miss them now that they are gone. There are still people here worth talking Saints football with. I want to get back to that this season without flyby trash dumps in every thread. I've put up with this for 2 complete seasons hoping that it would stop. But when the Saints decided to retain Allen for a 3rd year, I knew that the trash machine would crank up as the season drew closer. This is the thread that broke the camel's back for me. It's literally titled "Reasons to be Positive" and it immediately got dumped on.

It is impossible to have any discussion about the 2024 Saints here anymore. So, I'm going to challenge every post until it stops.

I repeat that it's fine to put me on ignore.

I apologize again for this. I wish it did not need to be done. But someone has to finally take out the trash.

SFIAH

mapcow · 07-16-2024, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

This place is barely worth coming to anymore. I used to come here to get all my Saints news and have constructive discussions with other fans. Now this place and seemingly every Saints related thread is dominated by people that either have zero interest in having a conversation and just want to troll threads or people that seem to get their sayings from WWF wrestlers from the 1980s “There will be pain!!!”

I miss the days of JoeSam, Hagen, FF and JP.

Those guys were knowledgeable and could have a conversation or debate on the team or a player or coach without turning the entire thread into nothing but trash talking and posturing.

I miss the days when the Saint was a team, other organizations feared to face. Now this Saints team is a minor blip on the opponent's schedule.

mapcow · 07-16-2024, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

No. It's about you. All you ever do it complain about where we are. You never give a suggestion about what to do, other than fire Allen then full stop, or what the organization should have done. I gave you a list of the 10 coaches hired Allen's year, and another watch list for 2025 and asked you to discuss. As always you refused. You'd rather just talk about how terrible Allen is and how terrible Loomis is for picking him.

But buddy, your worst nightmare may be coming. The 2024 Saints have a realistic chance of going 10-7 and winning the NFC South. They then get to host a playoff game, which winning may be a possibility. And then your're going be stuck with Allen for another 4 years.

Of course it's my worst nightmare too, because then I'll have 4 more years of hearing your whining.

SFIAH

hope your right on the prediction, but REALISTICALLY, it will not happen.

Sinner · 07-16-2024, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by mapcow

hope your right on the prediction, but REALISTICALLY, it will not happen.

Shhhh… This went from a SAINTS FORUM to a KUMBAYA FORUM,
The same way that the Saints went from Superbowl Champions in 2010,
to below mediocre fourteen years later… but you’re not supposed to talk about it here, or you’ll crash the site.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 07-16-2024, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by mapcow

hardheaded you are..... IGNORE....oh, and the truth about the Saints hurt.

You are the other one here. Somehow you think we don't understand the reality of the Saints current situation and that you and the other guy have to mansplain it to us on a daily basis.

I will no long ignore him. Or you either. You post trash (your "truth") and I'm going to follow up.

So, you get the same question. HOW DO YOU FIX IT!?

You have defined the problem. We no longer need to discuss, or have on repeat, what that problem definition is. We need solutions. All I ever hear is "Fire Allen". Just like last year "Fire Pete Carmichael." OK fine. You got your wish.

But then what. Folks are already complaining about Kubiak and he hasn't run a single play for this Saints organization yet. Who would you have put into that spot instead. Why?

You fire Allen. Who do you put into his place? Who should the Saints have hired 3 years ago instead of Allen?

This is why I challenge your truth. You have no solutions, just complaints.

Stop telling me about the problems that you see. Tell me the solutions to fix them.

SFIAH

SaintFanInATLHELL · 07-16-2024, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by mapcow

I miss the days when the Saint was a team, other organizations feared to face. Now this Saints team is a minor blip on the opponent's schedule.

Yet another definition of the problem. How do you fix it. It just cannot be "Well the Saints need to become a team to be feared again." It's not magic.

I don't think you guys get the fact that Drew Brees is literally one of the best and most accurate QBs is the 100+ year history of the NFL. It's like you think you can just go into the HOF QB orchard and just pick another one. While clearly they do come along every once in a while, both knowing they will grow into that, and having the opportunity to get that pick are slim to none.

Knowing what we know now, the Saints should have done everything in their power to pick Mahommes in 2017. I still don't know how KC knew to do it. I believe they jumped up 16 spots IIRC.

But it's 2024. What is done is done. Stop reminiscing about an age gone by and work towards a future that is better than now.

How can this team get better? If firing Allen is the only solution, then who do you replace him with. If Carr cannot work, then who will.

STOP COMPLAINING AND FIX IT!

SFIAH

07-16-2024, 10:16 AM	#151
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,072	Re: Reasons To Be Positive Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL You talk BAD ABOUT THE SAINTS. AND ONLY BAD ABOUT THEM! No one wants to hear that crap all day long. You literally say SAINTS SUCK SAINTS SUCK SAINTS SUCK SAINTS SUCK SAINTS SUCK day after day after day after day. It sounds like a child banging on a pot all day. Eventually you don't care why they are banging on the pot. You just want the incessant noise to stop. You don't talk about what the team should do. Or what they should have done. Or how they can get better. You only talk about how bad they are and how you hate them for it. Just get out of here with that damn racket. My most fervent wish is that you choose to stop it. But you're not going to. So, I choose not to stop either. SFIAH You still at it? Let’s try this again… THIS IS A SAINTS FORUM. I TALK ABOUT THE SAINTS. This is not a ME FORUM. YOU JUST KEEP TALKING ABOUT ME. Work it out.
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07-16-2024, 10:21 AM	#152
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,819	Re: Reasons To Be Positive Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Same question to you as to Sinner. If it's so easy to build a premier winning team, then why don't you tell us exactly how to do it? You don't get to victim blame here and say that Ms. Benson doesn't bother to do better because we as fans will accept whatever product the Saints organization fields. Just recognize that neither of you have any clue how to put together a winning organization. It's simple to sit on the sidelines an boo. But even worse you both insist on hanging around here and continuously dump you doom and gloom upon us. I'd like to hear your proposals on how to fix the Saints, since you've clearly identified all of the problems with them. SFIAH sure i do. I am just a fan, and a disgruntled one at that.
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,819

07-16-2024, 10:24 AM	#153
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,819	Re: Reasons To Be Positive Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL This site is no longer great. And that's primarily because of you. Not the Saints. Not their personnel. Not their organization. You. You are like the dog in the fire smoking a cig, saying everything is fine. The obliviousness you show when multiple people are literally screaming that the problem is you, and your compatriots, in your face is absolutely astounding to watch. The bickering is a byproduct of the fact that you will not leave any conversation about the team alone because you are pissed off that they cannot deliver you a SuperBowl championship every year. You "know" that the team needs to be changed. You also know that isn't happening anytime soon. So, your expression of your frustration is to spew crap on any conversation here that states anything other than blowing up the whole thing up and starting over. People are getting frustrated with you. And we cannot ignore you because you are everywhere on here. You don't want to talk Saints football. You don't want to talk about how things can get better. All you want to do is complain bitterly here, aggravate many people here, then hide your hands with "I'm just expressing myself. If you don't like it then you can just ignore me." knowing full well that there is no way to do that. So, drop your trite "The Saints are the problem." The problem is you. And you won't do anything to try to rectify it. So, I'm taking a page your book. Since you are the problem on this site in my estimation. And like the Saints you cannot seem to fix it, I'm going to complain about you everywhere you go here. And I'm calling for everyone who is as aggravated as I am with this to do the same. Maybe when you start to see every one of your post followed by 20-30 responses about how you are ruining this site, maybe you'll finally have some self reflection and make some changes. I don't understand if your problem is with the Saints, why don't you address your issues with them? E-mail Loomis, or Greg Bensel, their VP of Communications and express your displeasure to them. Do it every day if you like. They are the ones who need to hear your complaints, not us. And yes, I'm just expressing what I perceive and feel. And like you I will continue to do so at every turn. I would even advise folks to put me on ignore too because every response of mine that follows you is going to be just like this one. SFIAH IGNORE Feature ... use it. OR don't read the post.
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,819

07-16-2024, 10:28 AM	#154
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,819	Re: Reasons To Be Positive Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL No. It's about you. All you ever do it complain about where we are. You never give a suggestion about what to do, other than fire Allen then full stop, or what the organization should have done. I gave you a list of the 10 coaches hired Allen's year, and another watch list for 2025 and asked you to discuss. As always you refused. You'd rather just talk about how terrible Allen is and how terrible Loomis is for picking him. But buddy, your worst nightmare may be coming. The 2024 Saints have a realistic chance of going 10-7 and winning the NFC South. They then get to host a playoff game, which winning may be a possibility. And then your're going be stuck with Allen for another 4 years. Of course it's my worst nightmare too, because then I'll have 4 more years of hearing your whining. SFIAH hardheaded you are..... IGNORE....oh, and the truth about the Saints hurt.
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,819

07-16-2024, 10:31 AM	#155
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,787	Re: Reasons To Be Positive Originally Posted by jnormand This place is barely worth coming to anymore. I used to come here to get all my Saints news and have constructive discussions with other fans. Now this place and seemingly every Saints related thread is dominated by people that either have zero interest in having a conversation and just want to troll threads or people that seem to get their sayings from WWF wrestlers from the 1980s “There will be pain!!!” I miss the days of JoeSam, Hagen, FF and JP. Those guys were knowledgeable and could have a conversation or debate on the team or a player or coach without turning the entire thread into nothing but trash talking and posturing. I apologize to you and everyone else (except for Sinner of course) for having to take the posturing stand here. I don't want to do this. But I just cannot stand to have this go on for another season. I agree with you that this incessant trash talking of the current team in any thread that attempts to talk about the current team barely makes it worth coming here. I'm trying to put a stop to it. I figure that either I will be banned, or Sinner will. In either case there will be a merciful end to this. I was here with those guys. I miss them now that they are gone. There are still people here worth talking Saints football with. I want to get back to that this season without flyby trash dumps in every thread. I've put up with this for 2 complete seasons hoping that it would stop. But when the Saints decided to retain Allen for a 3rd year, I knew that the trash machine would crank up as the season drew closer. This is the thread that broke the camel's back for me. It's literally titled "Reasons to be Positive" and it immediately got dumped on. It is impossible to have any discussion about the 2024 Saints here anymore. So, I'm going to challenge every post until it stops. I repeat that it's fine to put me on ignore. I apologize again for this. I wish it did not need to be done. But someone has to finally take out the trash. SFIAH AsylumGuido likes this.
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07-16-2024, 10:32 AM	#156
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,819	Re: Reasons To Be Positive Originally Posted by jnormand This place is barely worth coming to anymore. I used to come here to get all my Saints news and have constructive discussions with other fans. Now this place and seemingly every Saints related thread is dominated by people that either have zero interest in having a conversation and just want to troll threads or people that seem to get their sayings from WWF wrestlers from the 1980s “There will be pain!!!” I miss the days of JoeSam, Hagen, FF and JP. Those guys were knowledgeable and could have a conversation or debate on the team or a player or coach without turning the entire thread into nothing but trash talking and posturing. I miss the days when the Saint was a team, other organizations feared to face. Now this Saints team is a minor blip on the opponent's schedule.
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07-16-2024, 10:34 AM	#157
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,819	Re: Reasons To Be Positive Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL No. It's about you. All you ever do it complain about where we are. You never give a suggestion about what to do, other than fire Allen then full stop, or what the organization should have done. I gave you a list of the 10 coaches hired Allen's year, and another watch list for 2025 and asked you to discuss. As always you refused. You'd rather just talk about how terrible Allen is and how terrible Loomis is for picking him. But buddy, your worst nightmare may be coming. The 2024 Saints have a realistic chance of going 10-7 and winning the NFC South. They then get to host a playoff game, which winning may be a possibility. And then your're going be stuck with Allen for another 4 years. Of course it's my worst nightmare too, because then I'll have 4 more years of hearing your whining. SFIAH hope your right on the prediction, but REALISTICALLY, it will not happen.
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07-16-2024, 10:40 AM	#158
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,072	Re: Reasons To Be Positive Originally Posted by mapcow hope your right on the prediction, but REALISTICALLY, it will not happen. Shhhh… This went from a SAINTS FORUM to a KUMBAYA FORUM, The same way that the Saints went from Superbowl Champions in 2010, to below mediocre fourteen years later… but you’re not supposed to talk about it here, or you’ll crash the site.
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07-16-2024, 10:41 AM	#159
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,787	Re: Reasons To Be Positive Originally Posted by mapcow hardheaded you are..... IGNORE....oh, and the truth about the Saints hurt. You are the other one here. Somehow you think we don't understand the reality of the Saints current situation and that you and the other guy have to mansplain it to us on a daily basis. I will no long ignore him. Or you either. You post trash (your "truth") and I'm going to follow up. So, you get the same question. HOW DO YOU FIX IT!? You have defined the problem. We no longer need to discuss, or have on repeat, what that problem definition is. We need solutions. All I ever hear is "Fire Allen". Just like last year "Fire Pete Carmichael." OK fine. You got your wish. But then what. Folks are already complaining about Kubiak and he hasn't run a single play for this Saints organization yet. Who would you have put into that spot instead. Why? You fire Allen. Who do you put into his place? Who should the Saints have hired 3 years ago instead of Allen? This is why I challenge your truth. You have no solutions, just complaints. Stop telling me about the problems that you see. Tell me the solutions to fix them. SFIAH AsylumGuido likes this.
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07-16-2024, 10:51 AM	#160
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,787	Re: Reasons To Be Positive Originally Posted by mapcow I miss the days when the Saint was a team, other organizations feared to face. Now this Saints team is a minor blip on the opponent's schedule. Yet another definition of the problem. How do you fix it. It just cannot be "Well the Saints need to become a team to be feared again." It's not magic. I don't think you guys get the fact that Drew Brees is literally one of the best and most accurate QBs is the 100+ year history of the NFL. It's like you think you can just go into the HOF QB orchard and just pick another one. While clearly they do come along every once in a while, both knowing they will grow into that, and having the opportunity to get that pick are slim to none. Knowing what we know now, the Saints should have done everything in their power to pick Mahommes in 2017. I still don't know how KC knew to do it. I believe they jumped up 16 spots IIRC. But it's 2024. What is done is done. Stop reminiscing about an age gone by and work towards a future that is better than now. How can this team get better? If firing Allen is the only solution, then who do you replace him with. If Carr cannot work, then who will. STOP COMPLAINING AND FIX IT! SFIAH AsylumGuido likes this.
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