A gentle suggestion for all involved.

Please take the back and forth debates elsewhere please. I'm not saying that the debate isn't worthy of discussion. It's just that the back and forth drags down the supposed vibe of this thread because a single post generates a dozen back and forth replies.

My suggestion (not that anyone has to take it):

1. Quote the post here to debate.
2. Start a new thread using that quote and your response.
3. Get the link of the new thread and post it as a reply to the original post here.

That way anyone who wants to join that debate can go to the new thread and have at it.

I did the HB one as a sample and transferred all the comments here to it.

https://blackandgold.com/saints/1039...t-too-old.html (Honey Badger: Elite ot too old?)

Thanks for your consideration.

SFIAH