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AsylumGuido 07-23-2024 04:04 PM

Re: Saints RB Alvin Kamara invokes an NFL legend to explain why he reported to training camp
 

Sinner 07-23-2024 04:06 PM

Re: Saints RB Alvin Kamara invokes an NFL legend to explain why he reported to training camp
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 997905)

Alvin Kamara is a highly paid Twitter.

mapcow 07-23-2024 04:50 PM

Re: ALVIN KAMARA posts cryptic messages on social media amid contract saga
 
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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 997894)
I give them their sunshiny kumbaya oasis, and it’s all so yawn-worthy, that they cannot resist coming onto my thread and taking personal attacks.

And the season hasn’t even STARTED yet!

I was messaged to not voice my opinion there as well....

mapcow 07-23-2024 04:52 PM

Re: ALVIN KAMARA posts cryptic messages on social media amid contract saga
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 997902)
Yup! Personally, I hate losing. That's why I'd hate for the team to ever blow things up. I hope we never see another top ten draft pick because that means we had one of the ten worst records in the league. I'd rather have five wins than three wins. I'd rather have seven wins than five wins. I'd much rather have nine wins than seven wins. Eleven wins would be way better than nine.

Nope! :beatnik:

mapcow 07-23-2024 04:54 PM

Re: Saints RB Alvin Kamara invokes an NFL legend to explain why he reported to training camp
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 997905)

...and a thug. :beatnik:

Rugby Saint II 07-23-2024 05:00 PM

Re: ALVIN KAMARA posts cryptic messages on social media amid contract saga
 
AK was suspended last year right? Shouldn't he be the one that bends a little?

mapcow 07-23-2024 06:51 PM

Re: ALVIN KAMARA posts cryptic messages on social media amid contract saga
 
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 997913)
AK was suspended last year right? Shouldn't he be the one that bends a little?

bend or resign.... :beatnik:

AsylumGuido 07-24-2024 03:42 PM

Re: Saints RB Alvin Kamara invokes an NFL legend to explain why he reported to training camp
 

AsylumGuido 07-24-2024 03:47 PM

Alvin Kamara Says He Wants To Retire With The New Orleans Saints
 
Alvin Kamara Says He Wants To Retire With The New Orleans Saints

Ross Jackson | 34 Minutes Ago

As the first day of New Orleans Saints training camp kicked off, all eyes were on running back Alvin Kamara. He and the team have had ongoing contract negotiations. While it does not sound like that conversations have ever turned contentious, it did lead to Kamara making a statement by departing early from the final day of mandatory minicamp. But Kamara made his intentions clear in his first trianing camp media availability following the first day of trianing camp.

"I want to be a Saint," New Orleans Saints running back Alvin Kamara said in his post-practice presser. "I want to retire here."

He proved that Wednesday by not only reporting to training camp practices but full participating in everything from individual to team drills. “If I’m here,” he said. “I’m playing.”

Kamara also laid out that his desire is less about his current contract, which includes at $10.2 million base salary, and more about the future. The seventh-year running back has no guaranteed salary in 2025 as his deal currently stands. Kamara wants to finish his career as a Saint, and the Saints will have to decide if that is what they want on their end.

Football is fun. The relationships forged between players, teams and fans are meaningful. But the league is also a business. All of these things can be true. Which is something Kamara is very comfortable with. He said that he holds no hostility toward the team, coaches and certainly not his teammates. He gets that business is business.

He even mentioned that his production in recent years, which has been below his own standard, could be leveraged against him in such negotiations. An observation like that coming from the very player that is searching for future commitment gives an undeniably valuable glimpse into the realistic outlook he has.

You can read the rest here ...

Sinner 07-24-2024 03:50 PM

Re: Alvin Kamara Says He Wants To Retire With The New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 997985)
Alvin Kamara Says He Wants To Retire With The New Orleans Saints

Ross Jackson | 34 Minutes Ago

As the first day of New Orleans Saints training camp kicked off, all eyes were on running back Alvin Kamara. He and the team have had ongoing contract negotiations. While it does not sound like that conversations have ever turned contentious, it did lead to Kamara making a statement by departing early from the final day of mandatory minicamp. But Kamara made his intentions clear in his first trianing camp media availability following the first day of trianing camp.

"I want to be a Saint," New Orleans Saints running back Alvin Kamara said in his post-practice presser. "I want to retire here."

He proved that Wednesday by not only reporting to training camp practices but full participating in everything from individual to team drills. “If I’m here,” he said. “I’m playing.”

Kamara also laid out that his desire is less about his current contract, which includes at $10.2 million base salary, and more about the future. The seventh-year running back has no guaranteed salary in 2025 as his deal currently stands. Kamara wants to finish his career as a Saint, and the Saints will have to decide if that is what they want on their end.

Football is fun. The relationships forged between players, teams and fans are meaningful. But the league is also a business. All of these things can be true. Which is something Kamara is very comfortable with. He said that he holds no hostility toward the team, coaches and certainly not his teammates. He gets that business is business.

He even mentioned that his production in recent years, which has been below his own standard, could be leveraged against him in such negotiations. An observation like that coming from the very player that is searching for future commitment gives an undeniably valuable glimpse into the realistic outlook he has.

You can read the rest here ...

If I could collect that paycheck for doing nearly nothing, and tweeting… sweet deal!

Sinner 07-24-2024 03:53 PM

Re: Saints RB Alvin Kamara invokes an NFL legend to explain why he reported to training camp
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 997984)

Gonna get paid big to underperform. Welcome to Saints Status Quo.

AsylumGuido 07-24-2024 04:40 PM

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rezburna 07-24-2024 04:49 PM

Re: Alvin Kamara Says He Wants To Retire With The New Orleans Saints
 
We already knew. He’s been saying that. Give him a two year extension and call it a night.

AsylumGuido 07-24-2024 04:58 PM

Re: Alvin Kamara Says He Wants To Retire With The New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 997998)
We already knew. He’s been saying that. Give him a two year extension and call it a night.

That'll likely be just what happens soon. But, not everyone knew. Some people out there were thinking it's all about the money and he'd be willing to go elsewhere.

Sinner 07-24-2024 05:02 PM

Re: Alvin Kamara Says He Wants To Retire With The New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 997998)
We already knew. He’s been saying that. Give him a two year extension and call it a night.

If anybody could f*ck up a deal, and make a player like AK irrelevant, it’s our front office. Watch…

rezburna 07-24-2024 05:15 PM

Re: Alvin Kamara Says He Wants To Retire With The New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 998001)
If anybody could f*ck up a deal, and make a player like AK irrelevant, it’s oir front office. Watch…

Hopefully they figure it out. RB room a little thinner than I’d like.

BakoSaint 07-24-2024 09:59 PM

Re: Alvin Kamara Says He Wants To Retire With The New Orleans Saints
 
The problem is that he already has a contract and that is better than he would get on the open market / pays more than his market value and he wants a raise and new guarantees far above his market value. This is false loyalty. This is like if you are struggling to pay bills and your wife says she wants to be with you forever and all its going to take is a 10 carat diamond and a new Ferrari. I am fine with Kamara retiring a Saint but he is not on a paupers rookie contract he is on a bloated deal signed during his prime and his performance does not merit a raise or additional guarantees, if anything it merits him take a pay cut to about $8 million a year to help the team win and be honest about his age and declining skills.

Sinner 07-24-2024 10:39 PM

Re: Alvin Kamara Says He Wants To Retire With The New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 998009)
The problem is that he already has a contract and that is better than he would get on the open market / pays more than his market value and he wants a raise and new guarantees far above his market value. This is false loyalty. This is like if you are struggling to pay bills and your wife says she wants to be with you forever and all its going to take is a 10 carat diamond and a new Ferrari. I am fine with Kamara retiring a Saint but he is not on a paupers rookie contract he is on a bloated deal signed during his prime and his performance does not merit a raise or additional guarantees, if anything it merits him take a pay cut to about $8 million a year to help the team win and be honest about his age and declining skills.

“I ain't stupid. I ain't going to give no money up. I'm trying to get some money,"

Kamara said after the Saints' first practice of training camp on Wednesday.

Sinner 07-24-2024 10:42 PM

AK QUOTE OF THE DAY…
 
“I ain't stupid. I ain't going to give no money up. I'm trying to get some money,"

Call me a grouchy geezer, but with a net worth of around $10 million, that doesn’t sound like someone whose priority is to ball for us right now.

BakoSaint 07-24-2024 11:36 PM

Re: Alvin Kamara Says He Wants To Retire With The New Orleans Saints
 
I posted an article on my site to put it on the record that I do think Loomis is having a better offseason this year, but that giving in to Kamara will ruin it, blow the Saints salary cap, and mean $50 million a year for Carr and .500 forever.

https://www.firemickeyloomis.com/has...ended-his-ways

MatthewT 07-25-2024 06:50 AM

Re: Alvin Kamara Says He Wants To Retire With The New Orleans Saints
 
Of course AK wants to retire as a Saint, he is a very smart guy and understands there is not a lot of opportunity for seasoned RB's on the open market.

Cruize 07-25-2024 07:32 AM

Re: Saints RB Alvin Kamara invokes an NFL legend to explain why he reported to training camp
 
He's getting paid per his NFL value. He's not getting 25 mil next year or any other year. No RB is. Just got to find a deal everybody is happy with.

Sinner 07-25-2024 08:23 AM

Re: Saints RB Alvin Kamara invokes an NFL legend to explain why he reported to training camp
 
Anybody wanna bet he AINT gonna be anywhere near “BEAST-MODE” this year? He’s counting his money. The game changed for him. Watch.

leilung 07-25-2024 08:30 AM

Re: Saints RB Alvin Kamara invokes an NFL legend to explain why he reported to training camp
 
This is going to be a long pre-season....

mapcow 07-25-2024 08:34 AM

Re: Saints RB Alvin Kamara invokes an NFL legend to explain why he reported to training camp
 
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Originally Posted by Cruize (Post 998021)
He's getting paid per his NFL value. He's not getting 25 mil next year or any other year. No RB is. Just got to find a deal everybody is happy with.

anything less than 25 million is still too much! over the top fantastic bank for a thug. cut bait :beatnik:

AsylumGuido 07-25-2024 09:04 AM

Re: Saints RB Alvin Kamara invokes an NFL legend to explain why he reported to training camp
 
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Originally Posted by Cruize (Post 998021)
He's getting paid per his NFL value. He's not getting 25 mil next year or any other year. No RB is. Just got to find a deal everybody is happy with.

He said he's fine to play out his current deal. He's not looking for more, he said. He just wants to be extended.

AsylumGuido 07-25-2024 09:06 AM

Re: Alvin Kamara Says He Wants To Retire With The New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 998009)
The problem is that he already has a contract and that is better than he would get on the open market / pays more than his market value and he wants a raise and new guarantees far above his market value. This is false loyalty. This is like if you are struggling to pay bills and your wife says she wants to be with you forever and all its going to take is a 10 carat diamond and a new Ferrari. I am fine with Kamara retiring a Saint but he is not on a paupers rookie contract he is on a bloated deal signed during his prime and his performance does not merit a raise or additional guarantees, if anything it merits him take a pay cut to about $8 million a year to help the team win and be honest about his age and declining skills.

You are so full of crap ... as usual. He didn't say any of those things. You just make crap up. :rolleyes:

AsylumGuido 07-25-2024 09:17 AM

Re: Saints RB Alvin Kamara invokes an NFL legend to explain why he reported to training camp
 
Alvin Kamara on not holding out from Saints training camp amid contract talks: 'I ain't stupid'

Published: Jul 24, 2024 at 03:02 PM

Kevin Patra

New Orleans Saints running back Alvin Kamara left June's mandatory minicamp early while in a contract dispute but reported for training camp this week.

On Wednesday, Kamara did his best Marshawn Lynch impression, admitting he arrived to avoid getting fined $50,000 per day.

"I ain't stupid. I ain't gonna give the money up," Kamara said. "I'm trying to get some money, right? I was gonna be here. It's no one that has a jersey on, I wouldn't even blame any coaches [with] what's going on with contract issues right now. This happens all across the league. It's happened here. It's happened everywhere. People trying to get contracts, trying to get paid. I'll be a fool to spite my teammates because of a dispute I'm having with upstairs. I wouldn't even call it a dispute. We're just having conversations about compensation. … I'm not that guy. I'm for the team. So I'm here, I'm doing what I've got to do. I'm working."

Karmara admitted his early departure from minicamp last month came after he got no traction on his contract concerns.

"Trying to get a contract done, and it just ain't been nothing happening," he said. "Ain't been no real conversations or, I would say, worthy conversations of contract. So that last day was just me saying… I think there was a misconception about 'Oh well, Alvin didn't say anything about a contract,' which I never do really. It's just you know it's time. We've been talking about it a little bit. It hasn't been anything really meaningful. It's been kinda one side where they at, and I'm kinda like, 'Eh, nah.' So I went to the crib."

Turning 29 on Thursday, Kamara is set to earn $10.2 million in base salary this season, with just $1 million guaranteed. His 2025 base salary of $22.4 million with no guaranteed dollars is an inflated figure he's unlikely ever to see.

Kamara reiterated that his goal is to play his entire career in New Orleans.

"I've said it before: I want to be a Saint," he added. "You know what I'm saying? I want to retire here. If I gotta play football somewhere else, I'll probably be somewhere with my feet kicked up in Africa somewhere, or something like that."

Read the rest here ...

AsylumGuido 07-25-2024 09:27 AM

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AsylumGuido 07-25-2024 09:30 AM

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BakoSaint 07-25-2024 09:51 AM

Re: Alvin Kamara Says He Wants To Retire With The New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 998034)
You are so full of crap ... as usual. He didn't say any of those things. You just make crap up. :rolleyes:

If you were overpaid by an comparison to your peers, lets say you were a teacher who made six figures, and your employer was in a budget crisis facing annual restructures to pay the bills, lets say they were having to shut down the art and music programs, and your performance was down lets say the previous year you had been suspended for slapping a student and your classes test scores were down 30% over the last two years, would you skip work and demand a new salary adjustment and to be 'paid.'

Kamara is saying lots. By holding out to any degree he is saying there is something wrong with his salary. By saying he wants to be 'paid' he is saying whats wrong is its not enough. When anyone says he just wants 'guarantees' the reality is that his salary this season is $12 million, which is well above market, and that becomes guaranteed as a veteran if he is on the roster week one. He probably would be lucky to get $12 million in total guarantees over multiple years on the open market. And he only needs to worry about not getting that $12 million if he gets beat out by Miller or Williams in training camp and does not make the team at all. If his worry is about 2025 not having guarantees, why should we guarantee money in 2025 to an aging RB who is worried about making the team in 2024?

The fact is it says a let that a guy who is generously overpaid and hasnt been cut is clearly implying he wants more money. A reasonable contract for Kamara would be something like 2 years $19 million with $12 million guaranteed (about $1 million less than Mixon) or 3 years $24 million with $15 million guaranteed and a salary of $9 million with little or no guarantee in year 3. But considering Kamara's insane contract today with $12 million in 2024 and $25 million in 2025 that would be a big pay cut. I know that nobody is going to pay Kamara $25 million for a year and that is not real, but for appearance purposes when a player wipes out that year they usually like to make it look like a raise by getting more money in the long run win guarantees. The thing is, Kamara's estimated value from overthecap in 2023 was under $6 million. Kamara's entire career from 2025 until retirement is likely not worth close to $25 million even if he plays until 2028 or something. There is no way to cut that $25 million to a realistic value of $7-9 million where he can save face. He is an aging RB who had declined and will likely decline more.

AsylumGuido 07-25-2024 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 998042)
If you were overpaid by an comparison to your peers, lets say you were a teacher who made six figures, and your employer was in a budget crisis facing annual restructures to pay the bills, lets say they were having to shut down the art and music programs, and your performance was down lets say the previous year you had been suspended for slapping a student and your classes test scores were down 30% over the last two years, would you skip work and demand a new salary adjustment and to be 'paid.'

Kamara is saying lots. By holding out to any degree he is saying his salary is not good enough. By saying he wants to be 'paid' he is saying his current salary is not enough. When anyone says he just wants 'guarantees' the reality is that his salary this season is $12 million, which is well above market, and that becomes guaranteed as a veteran if he is on the roster week one. He probably would be lucky to get $12 million in total guarantees over multiple years on the open market. And he only needs to worry about not getting that $12 million if he gets beat out by Miller or Williams in training camp and does not make the team at all. If his worry is about 2025 not having guarantees, why should we guarantee money in 2025 to an aging RB who is worried about making the team in 2024?

The fact is it says a let that a guy who is generously overpaid and hasnt been cut is clearly implying he wants more money. A reasonable contract for Kamara would be something like 2 years $19 million with $12 million guaranteed (about $1 million less than Mixon) or 3 years $24 million with $15 million guaranteed and a salary of $9 million with little or no guarantee in year 3. But considering Kamara's insane contract today with $12 million in 2024 and $25 million in 2025 that would be a big pay cut. I know that nobody is going to pay Kamara $25 million for a year and that is not real, but for appearance purposes when a player wipes out that year they usually like to make it look like a raise by getting more money in the long run win guarantees. The thing is, Kamara's estimated value from overthecap in 2023 was under $6 million. Kamara's entire career from 2025 until retirement is likely not worth close to $25 million even if he plays until 2028 or something. There is no way to cut that $25 million to a realistic value of $7-9 million where he can save face. He is an aging RB who had declined and will likely decline more.

If you actually took the time to read what he said you wouldn't look so foolish. He said nothing about his salary. He actually said he's fine playing out his current deal. He just wants to retire as a Saint and he wants to continue playing past his current contract which effectively ends after 2025. He specifically says he feels he could play another "four or five years". He wants that to be with the Saints. If not he said he'll retire and just move to Africa. Yes he wants more money. Not more than he is already slated to make under his current contract, but whatever he would get for his additional years.

AsylumGuido 07-25-2024 10:12 AM

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saintsfan1976 07-25-2024 10:26 AM

Alvin Kamara Contract Thread
 
Putting what I can into a single thread.

Sinner 07-25-2024 10:27 AM

Re: Saints RB Alvin Kamara invokes an NFL legend to explain why he reported to training camp
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mapcow (Post 998028)
anything less than 25 million is still too much! over the top fantastic bank for a thug. cut bait :beatnik:

AK said, “I ain't stupid. I ain't going to give no money up. I'm trying to get some money,"

Call me a grouchy geezer, but that doesn’t sound like someone whose priority is to ball for us right now.

This Fanboy culture that Quido perpetuates and promotes, is signaling the organization to move more and more into this “all hype, no BEASTMODE” product placement, which ruins the sport, way more than we naysayers are ruining this forum.

saintsfan1976 07-25-2024 10:41 AM

Re: AK QUOTE OF THE DAY…
 
Here is the rest of his quote. Very next sentence:

Quote:

“This happens all across the league,” Kamara continued. "I would be a fool to spite my teammates because of a dispute I'm having with (the front office). ... I'm not that guy. I'm for the team.”
And his QB's quote probably sums up the rest of teams' feelings:

Quote:

“Any time a player says, ‘You know what, you know how I feel,’ and still says, ‘I’m going to show up for the team,’ ... that’s the loudest thing he can say,” Saints quarterback Derek Carr said. “Hopefully, that spoke volumes to whomever and whatever he’s trying to get done.”

Sinner 07-25-2024 10:53 AM

Re: AK QUOTE OF THE DAY…
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 998051)
Here is the rest of his quote. Very next sentence:



And his QB's quote probably sums up the rest of teams' feelings:

His words need to translate into actions on the field this year. That remains to be seen.

His QB’s words don’t translate to anything we can rely on on the field. That has been proven time and time again. He’s a dud.

AsylumGuido 07-25-2024 11:11 AM

Re: AK QUOTE OF THE DAY…
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 998051)
Here is the rest of his quote. Very next sentence:



And his QB's quote probably sums up the rest of teams' feelings:

What was the exact quote the sinner guy posted? I posted the entire text of Kamara's reply earlier today with the part you included, sf76, in the Kamara thread and there was nothing that I would judge as inflammatory. :confused: I do, however, see how it could be taken out of context if cherry-picked. :D

Rell&Gold 07-25-2024 11:14 AM

Re: AK QUOTE OF THE DAY…
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 998054)
His words need to translate into actions on the field this year. That remains to be seen.

His QB’s words don’t translate to anything we can rely on on the field. That has been proven time and time again. He’s a dud.

Football is a team sport let's get a solid oline and some solid playcalling and see what happens

AsylumGuido 07-25-2024 11:22 AM

Re: AK QUOTE OF THE DAY…
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 998057)
Football is a team sport let's get a solid oline and some solid playcalling and see what happens

Especially this! We haven't had decent play design or playcalling since Payton left.


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