Hmmmm.. What Team Signed Michael Thomas

AsylumGuido · 08-26-2024, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Isn't this like asking "what type of cancer would you like"?

Besides the asswipe Gardner-Johnson I haven't heard of any player on the Saints that didn't like Thomas.

mapcow · 08-26-2024, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Besides the asswipe Gardner-Johnson I haven't heard of any player on the Saints that didn't like Thomas.

such hateful terminology - asswipe -, and calling someone a despicable name, shame. I guess haters gonna hate.

mapcow · 08-26-2024, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Get it right. Kamara was not and is not "demanding a raise". He said he has no problem at all with his current contract. He wants a separate extension so he is guaranteed to retire a Saint after a few more years. He said if he doesn't get an extension he'll retire "and move to Africa" instead of playing for another team.

why wait... the convicted assailant, the person charged and convicted with assault and battery, known as Alvin Kamara, should move now.

AsylumGuido · 08-26-2024, 06:05 PM

Is that Dee or Dum?

BakoSaint · 08-26-2024, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Get it right. Kamara was not and is not "demanding a raise". He said he has no problem at all with his current contract. He wants a separate extension so he is guaranteed to retire a Saint after a few more years. He said if he doesn't get an extension he'll retire "and move to Africa" instead of playing for another team.

If I was salesman whose sales were down the past two years and had been in trouble with HR last year, and I was still making a bunch of big bonuses and salary based on my top sales 4 years ago and was scheduled to make even more next year, and I stormed into my bosses office after sitting out a few days from work and said 'I am not asking for a raise, but I want an 'extension' that will guarantee me to retire here, I think my boss would take that as asking for a raise. Kamara is under contract this year. He is under contract next year. He is a 30yo type RB in decline with a big disciplinary infraction who would never get his present salary on the open market. In his position, asking for guarantees is asking for 'a raise' because he already is being paid more money and more guarantees than he would get on the open market.

The Saints have an offer on the table. Kamara has not accepted it. That should tell you what he is asking for is effectively a raise, even if it uses the $25 million 2025 'bs year' on his salary to count as not a raise because maybe he is willing to play for $15 million a year if we guarantee him 3 more years. In reality that would be a raise over anything we ever intended to pay him.

Cam Jordan is a great athlete but his agent is better, and that agent hung us out to dry last year. Same bs song and dance about wanting to retire a Saints, with the end results that we are paying $14 million for 2 sacks. Cam could have been a Saints for pay based on his performance, which would be like maybe $4 million, more in line with guys like Saunders and Shepherd who his skills and abilities are closer to at this stage of his career.

The fact is that football is a business. If the players dont want it to be a business they are welcome to sign for minimum salary. But it needs to be a business for the team. And the fact is that when an aging declining hometown favorite talks about wanting to retire in New Orleans instead of Africa but is holding out for more cash than the team can offer, its often more a case of his agent wanting to retire in the Maldives rather than Biloxi, because thats where all the demands come in.

BakoSaint · 08-26-2024, 07:41 PM

Thomas is not a bad guy. He runs his mouth but so do at least half of famous receivers past their rookie contract. The problem is that he is glass. Ironically this is the problem with CGJ too now. I dont really care that much about WR character if they are not committing felonies. Would I rather have Payton Turner or Michael Thomas for the same money this year? Its a wash. But Turner happens to be under contract for cheap so he was kept and Michael Thomas would have cost more so he wasn't. Not sure I would sign either as a free agent unless there was a dire need at the position late in the year in a tight race and I wanted to gamble they could last 6-8 games.

saintsfan1976 · 08-27-2024, 06:59 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Besides the asswipe Gardner-Johnson I haven't heard of any player on the Saints that didn't like Thomas.

I'm sure you'll find coaches who have another opinion.

AsylumGuido · 08-27-2024, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

I'm sure you'll find coaches who have another opinion.

Not according to Sean Payton. When Payton "retired" from the Saints there was a very public back and forth concerning their continue affection for each other. I would venture to bet you have experienced frustration with someone at times that remained close to you. I know I have.

AsylumGuido · 08-27-2024, 07:20 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

If I was salesman whose sales were down the past two years and had been in trouble with HR last year, and I was still making a bunch of big bonuses and salary based on my top sales 4 years ago and was scheduled to make even more next year, and I stormed into my bosses office after sitting out a few days from work and said 'I am not asking for a raise, but I want an 'extension' that will guarantee me to retire here, I think my boss would take that as asking for a raise. Kamara is under contract this year. He is under contract next year. He is a 30yo type RB in decline with a big disciplinary infraction who would never get his present salary on the open market. In his position, asking for guarantees is asking for 'a raise' because he already is being paid more money and more guarantees than he would get on the open market.

The Saints have an offer on the table. Kamara has not accepted it. That should tell you what he is asking for is effectively a raise, even if it uses the $25 million 2025 'bs year' on his salary to count as not a raise because maybe he is willing to play for $15 million a year if we guarantee him 3 more years. In reality that would be a raise over anything we ever intended to pay him.

Cam Jordan is a great athlete but his agent is better, and that agent hung us out to dry last year. Same bs song and dance about wanting to retire a Saints, with the end results that we are paying $14 million for 2 sacks. Cam could have been a Saints for pay based on his performance, which would be like maybe $4 million, more in line with guys like Saunders and Shepherd who his skills and abilities are closer to at this stage of his career.

The fact is that football is a business. If the players dont want it to be a business they are welcome to sign for minimum salary. But it needs to be a business for the team. And the fact is that when an aging declining hometown favorite talks about wanting to retire in New Orleans instead of Africa but is holding out for more cash than the team can offer, its often more a case of his agent wanting to retire in the Maldives rather than Biloxi, because thats where all the demands come in.

The only mention I have heard or read about any "deal on the table" was from Albert Breer some six or seven weeks ago. That clickbait Rome wanna-be, Matt Moscona, and others, also referenced Breer sometime back repeating what Breer had shared. What I have heard from other sources, including Kamara himself, is that talks were ongoing and these were AFTER the supposed "offer was on the table". As we all know any negotiation involves a back and forth with offers and counter offers. That's what makes it a negotiation. There have probably been a number of "offers on the table" in recent weeks. That's just Kamara's agent, Brad Cicala, doing his job.

MatthewT · 08-27-2024, 07:29 AM

I doubt any of the players had bad feelings towards MT, the staff is another story. It was all about his availability and what he was willing to do or not do. For that we may never know the real truth for a very long time, if ever. I found it very interesting last year when he and Lattimore went down, it was not supposed to be a season ending for either guy. Fast forward to the offseason, MT is released and Lattimore is subject to heavy trade rumors, which still persist to this day. Then there were stories of Lattimore and the staff having to iron out differences, to me this is an indication they may have refused to play when they could have. If that has any truth to it, there is your cancer.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 25,631	Re: Hmmmm.. What Team Signed Michael Thomas Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Isn't this like asking "what type of cancer would you like"? Besides the asswipe Gardner-Johnson I haven't heard of any player on the Saints that didn't like Thomas. leilung likes this.

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mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,685	Re: Hmmmm.. What Team Signed Michael Thomas Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Besides the asswipe Gardner-Johnson I haven't heard of any player on the Saints that didn't like Thomas. such hateful terminology - asswipe -, and calling someone a despicable name, shame. I guess haters gonna hate. Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.
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08-26-2024, 05:25 PM	#13
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,685	Re: Hmmmm.. What Team Signed Michael Thomas Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Get it right. Kamara was not and is not "demanding a raise". He said he has no problem at all with his current contract. He wants a separate extension so he is guaranteed to retire a Saint after a few more years. He said if he doesn't get an extension he'll retire "and move to Africa" instead of playing for another team. why wait... the convicted assailant, the person charged and convicted with assault and battery, known as Alvin Kamara, should move now.
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08-26-2024, 06:05 PM	#14
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 25,631	Re: Hmmmm.. What Team Signed Michael Thomas Is that Dee or Dum?

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BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 1,961	Re: Hmmmm.. What Team Signed Michael Thomas Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Get it right. Kamara was not and is not "demanding a raise". He said he has no problem at all with his current contract. He wants a separate extension so he is guaranteed to retire a Saint after a few more years. He said if he doesn't get an extension he'll retire "and move to Africa" instead of playing for another team. If I was salesman whose sales were down the past two years and had been in trouble with HR last year, and I was still making a bunch of big bonuses and salary based on my top sales 4 years ago and was scheduled to make even more next year, and I stormed into my bosses office after sitting out a few days from work and said 'I am not asking for a raise, but I want an 'extension' that will guarantee me to retire here, I think my boss would take that as asking for a raise. Kamara is under contract this year. He is under contract next year. He is a 30yo type RB in decline with a big disciplinary infraction who would never get his present salary on the open market. In his position, asking for guarantees is asking for 'a raise' because he already is being paid more money and more guarantees than he would get on the open market. The Saints have an offer on the table. Kamara has not accepted it. That should tell you what he is asking for is effectively a raise, even if it uses the $25 million 2025 'bs year' on his salary to count as not a raise because maybe he is willing to play for $15 million a year if we guarantee him 3 more years. In reality that would be a raise over anything we ever intended to pay him. Cam Jordan is a great athlete but his agent is better, and that agent hung us out to dry last year. Same bs song and dance about wanting to retire a Saints, with the end results that we are paying $14 million for 2 sacks. Cam could have been a Saints for pay based on his performance, which would be like maybe $4 million, more in line with guys like Saunders and Shepherd who his skills and abilities are closer to at this stage of his career. The fact is that football is a business. If the players dont want it to be a business they are welcome to sign for minimum salary. But it needs to be a business for the team. And the fact is that when an aging declining hometown favorite talks about wanting to retire in New Orleans instead of Africa but is holding out for more cash than the team can offer, its often more a case of his agent wanting to retire in the Maldives rather than Biloxi, because thats where all the demands come in.
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08-26-2024, 07:41 PM	#16
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 1,961	Re: Hmmmm.. What Team Signed Michael Thomas Thomas is not a bad guy. He runs his mouth but so do at least half of famous receivers past their rookie contract. The problem is that he is glass. Ironically this is the problem with CGJ too now. I dont really care that much about WR character if they are not committing felonies. Would I rather have Payton Turner or Michael Thomas for the same money this year? Its a wash. But Turner happens to be under contract for cheap so he was kept and Michael Thomas would have cost more so he wasn't. Not sure I would sign either as a free agent unless there was a dire need at the position late in the year in a tight race and I wanted to gamble they could last 6-8 games.
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08-27-2024, 06:59 AM	#17
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,747 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Hmmmm.. What Team Signed Michael Thomas Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Besides the asswipe Gardner-Johnson I haven't heard of any player on the Saints that didn't like Thomas. I'm sure you'll find coaches who have another opinion. MatthewT likes this.

08-27-2024, 07:06 AM	#18
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 25,631	Re: Hmmmm.. What Team Signed Michael Thomas Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 I'm sure you'll find coaches who have another opinion. Not according to Sean Payton. When Payton "retired" from the Saints there was a very public back and forth concerning their continue affection for each other. I would venture to bet you have experienced frustration with someone at times that remained close to you. I know I have.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 25,631	Re: Hmmmm.. What Team Signed Michael Thomas Originally Posted by BakoSaint If I was salesman whose sales were down the past two years and had been in trouble with HR last year, and I was still making a bunch of big bonuses and salary based on my top sales 4 years ago and was scheduled to make even more next year, and I stormed into my bosses office after sitting out a few days from work and said 'I am not asking for a raise, but I want an 'extension' that will guarantee me to retire here, I think my boss would take that as asking for a raise. Kamara is under contract this year. He is under contract next year. He is a 30yo type RB in decline with a big disciplinary infraction who would never get his present salary on the open market. In his position, asking for guarantees is asking for 'a raise' because he already is being paid more money and more guarantees than he would get on the open market. The Saints have an offer on the table. Kamara has not accepted it. That should tell you what he is asking for is effectively a raise, even if it uses the $25 million 2025 'bs year' on his salary to count as not a raise because maybe he is willing to play for $15 million a year if we guarantee him 3 more years. In reality that would be a raise over anything we ever intended to pay him. Cam Jordan is a great athlete but his agent is better, and that agent hung us out to dry last year. Same bs song and dance about wanting to retire a Saints, with the end results that we are paying $14 million for 2 sacks. Cam could have been a Saints for pay based on his performance, which would be like maybe $4 million, more in line with guys like Saunders and Shepherd who his skills and abilities are closer to at this stage of his career. The fact is that football is a business. If the players dont want it to be a business they are welcome to sign for minimum salary. But it needs to be a business for the team. And the fact is that when an aging declining hometown favorite talks about wanting to retire in New Orleans instead of Africa but is holding out for more cash than the team can offer, its often more a case of his agent wanting to retire in the Maldives rather than Biloxi, because thats where all the demands come in. The only mention I have heard or read about any "deal on the table" was from Albert Breer some six or seven weeks ago. That clickbait Rome wanna-be, Matt Moscona, and others, also referenced Breer sometime back repeating what Breer had shared. What I have heard from other sources, including Kamara himself, is that talks were ongoing and these were AFTER the supposed "offer was on the table". As we all know any negotiation involves a back and forth with offers and counter offers. That's what makes it a negotiation. There have probably been a number of "offers on the table" in recent weeks. That's just Kamara's agent, Brad Cicala, doing his job.
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08-27-2024, 07:29 AM	#20
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Hmmmm.. What Team Signed Michael Thomas I doubt any of the players had bad feelings towards MT, the staff is another story. It was all about his availability and what he was willing to do or not do. For that we may never know the real truth for a very long time, if ever. I found it very interesting last year when he and Lattimore went down, it was not supposed to be a season ending for either guy. Fast forward to the offseason, MT is released and Lattimore is subject to heavy trade rumors, which still persist to this day. Then there were stories of Lattimore and the staff having to iron out differences, to me this is an indication they may have refused to play when they could have. If that has any truth to it, there is your cancer.