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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by K Major Offensive line depth is not good in NO. Udoh was bad bad today. Same goes for Patrick. My main concern coming into the season was the performance of the O line. My second concern was ...

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Old 09-22-2024, 06:30 PM   #21
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Offensive line depth is not good in NO.

Udoh was bad bad today.

Same goes for Patrick.
My main concern coming into the season was the performance of the O line. My second concern was the depth…
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Old 09-22-2024, 06:44 PM   #22
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Re: Observations from Saints and Eagles game in the Superdome

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Hopefully, we will get Erik & Taysom back in the next game.
Yeah, it was obvious how much they missed Taysom, and as others have pointed out, once McCoy went to down, the O-line looked lost. All of sudden they couldn't run or pass block.

Still, if you told me before the season started we would be 2-1 at this point, I probably would have taken it.
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Old 09-22-2024, 10:53 PM   #23
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Re: Observations from Saints and Eagles game in the Superdome

Seems over a number of years that there are certain teams that are just nightmare matchups for the Saints no matter players or coaching staff. The Vikings and Eagles both fit the profile for some reason. I mentioned in another thread after the panthers game that this game, not the cowboys game, would be our gauge. No doubt it was a bit of a letdown today but as a Saints fan are you totally surprised? Good news is we play one of the teams we seem to own over the years next week and I will be more disappointed with a bad showing there.
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Old 09-23-2024, 12:31 AM   #24
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Re: Observations from Saints and Eagles game in the Superdome

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Seems over a number of years that there are certain teams that are just nightmare matchups for the Saints no matter players or coaching staff. The Vikings and Eagles both fit the profile for some reason. I mentioned in another thread after the panthers game that this game, not the cowboys game, would be our gauge. No doubt it was a bit of a letdown today but as a Saints fan are you totally surprised? Good news is we play one of the teams we seem to own over the years next week and I will be more disappointed with a bad showing there.
The team we face next week handled the team we just lost to. Should be an interesting game and gauge.
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Old 09-23-2024, 07:42 AM   #25
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Re: Observations from Saints and Eagles game in the Superdome

We knew this team was going into the season on a razor's edge and that a few key injuries could derail the entire season and O Line was our #1 concern.

McCoy was a huge loss, forcing changes to center AND left guard paving the way for their interior defenders to wreak havoc.

The loss of McCoy also left Ruiz exposed and he was repeatedly beat on critical plays.

Maybe Taysom could've provided some help but why wasn't Jamal Williams used more often??

I'm willing to bet Kubiak won't be happy with his play calling come Monday.
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Old 09-23-2024, 08:08 AM   #26
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It’s all about match ups. Styles make fights. Eagles have an elite group of DT’s and a great defensive line while our offensive line is shaky and downright abysmal when McCoy goes out. Couple that with the fact our QB is really just a game manager and you’ve got some cause for concern. Not to mention the Eagles are an extremely talented team that didn’t want to fall to 1-2. They just seemed to want it more. They played hard and schemed very well defensively. The Falcons beating them doesn’t mean anything. Every single game is an individual test because individual position battles can change the outcome….IE our safeties vs Dallas Goedert.
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Old 09-23-2024, 09:20 AM   #27
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Re: Observations from Saints and Eagles game in the Superdome

-The good teams who are there at the end, find a way to win games like the Saints lost yesterday.
-The loss of McCoy was huge. Patrick is a much better guard than center. Udoh was terrible. Hergel needs to be called up.
-Sirianni tried his best to give the Saints the game by not taking points and Allen gave it right back by not taking points. Terrible coaching all around.
-Granderson gives 110 percent on every play. Bresee not so much.
-Kamara and Olave were the only two offensive players to show up yesterday.
-Shaheed makes a big play or no plays at all.
-You have to make sure you have Goedert covered on 3rd and 16. Their only weapon in the passing game. Terrible.
-The run defense moving forward has to be tightened up.
-Big game this week on the road. The Saints can take early command of the division. Pressure all day on Cousins. Double cover the TE. Don't let Robinson have any big plays.
-The NFL as a whole has been almost unwatchable so far this season.
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Old 09-23-2024, 09:26 AM   #28
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Re: Observations from Saints and Eagles game in the Superdome

Was at the game and it was very evident from the 1st snap the Eagles Defensive front out match our Oline and played Bully Ball all day. That was when McCoy was in and it just intensified when he went out. You could point at the guards just being run over but but both our tackles were on skates.

Only good tackle block I saw was Trevor on the sideline blocking Darius Slay. 🤭

Without Hill and after losing McCoy the offensive play calling looked very generic like Kubiack had lost 60% of the playbook. The shuffling on the Oline did not help.
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Re: Observations from Saints and Eagles game in the Superdome

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-The good teams who are there at the end, find a way to win games like the Saints lost yesterday.
-The loss of McCoy was huge. Patrick is a much better guard than center. Udoh was terrible. Hergel needs to be called up.
-Sirianni tried his best to give the Saints the game by not taking points and Allen gave it right back by not taking points. Terrible coaching all around.
-Granderson gives 110 percent on every play. Bresee not so much.
-Kamara and Olave were the only two offensive players to show up yesterday.
-Shaheed makes a big play or no plays at all.
-You have to make sure you have Goedert covered on 3rd and 16. Their only weapon in the passing game. Terrible.
-The run defense moving forward has to be tightened up.
-Big game this week on the road. The Saints can take early command of the division. Pressure all day on Cousins. Double cover the TE. Don't let Robinson have any big plays.
-The NFL as a whole has been almost unwatchable so far this season.
“ -The good teams who are there at the end, find a way to win games like the Saints lost yesterday.”
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Old 09-23-2024, 10:52 AM   #30
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Re: Observations from Saints and Eagles game in the Superdome

We are still a contender and should not over-react. But we are still also one of the most salary cap over leveraged teams relying on many older players and we should not drink the kool aid either. What that means is lets enjoy the season without getting into a 'pay the man' bravado series of mistakes that make the future a diminishing rerun of this season. Stay the course but dont double down. Cheer for the team but dont go extending anyone until they have proven they still have it.

The Eagles are a team that anyone could easily see making it to the Super Bowl. A close game against them is good. I still see the possibility of our team going deep in the playoffs but Carr and DA's lack of playoff experience/success is a handicap for that.

Injuries can't be an excuse. The Eagles had similar injuries and it was a close game. One key to overcoming injuries is depth. The key to having depth is having more draft picks and adding depth in value free agents. The key to having more draft picks is trading down, not making blockbuster trades up, and not spending all the free agent cash on a few high priced players. In recent years we have traded up a lot and made Carr the highest priced free agent, but last offseason we finally stood our ground with out early draft picks and went with value in free agency. If we keep doing that, we will have better depth down the road. And we will be in a better position to keep depth pieces we have.

I think Carolina and Dallas has lousy running games. We are build to shut down star receivers and passing games but not so much on running games. We might have better odds against the the Chiefs (lousy running game) than the Falcons (at least decent RBs) but fortunately the Eagles may be the toughest running game we face all year.

Cam Jordan is invisible. His $12.5m salary guaranteed on March. If he wants to join the front office or broadcast crew thats great but we cannot pay him $12.5m in 2025 or kick the can and owe him $30m dead money when he retires while acting like $12.5m is a great value if we put it on the credit card in 6 easy payments of $1.99m or whatever. There could be an argument to minimize Jordan's usage late in the season, unless he will renegotiate to remove that early guarantee, otherwise if he gets a knee injury in December we cant cut him in March because he won't be able to pass a physical.

Rotating oline is stupid. It doubles the disruption in case of injuries. Patrick should not be out backup center if he is out starting LG.

Granderson has been a great player.

The Eagles only have Jalen Carter because we made a stupid trade that gave them the pick. Time to say never again.

At least our team has upside and can be fun to watch. That is good. Lets just enjoy the show and not feel that we have to give everyone blockbuster new contracts to prove to ourselves we are the true believers and elite. Lets just play football and let the oldies have one last farewell tour shot. Then at the end of the year we move on from Ram, Jordan unless he takes a massive pay cut to like $4 million a year or less, and evaluate Kamara, Lattimore, etc. If we dont sink so much money in aging players and we seek trades that give us more depth not less, we can win with this offensive system.

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