BakoSaint

Why is Bresee a good player? Because he looks big and has a few clean up sacks? Maybe he could be good. Maybe he couldn't. With new coaching or more time we may find out but so far he is a bust and the data says Foskey has a better chance to be a star. When Bresee plays our run defense is the worst in the league it seems. I will go with what the data says. The data says Bresee is the worst bust of all recent Saints first round picks at this point in his career and is worth than a year 2 Penning, Foskey, Ruiz, Turner, Davenport, etc and is the second worst player on a roster full of street free agents and undrafted rookies. He is a highlight hunter who has less than zero concern about any responsibilities in the run game. If we play the Jets, I would worry about our ability to contain Aaron Rodgers as rushing threat up the middle.

lee909

When it comes to DT I'm more than happy woth 2 mid/later rounds big men that can stop the run first and foremost and if you can find a pass rusher DT when the rosters near complete

Rugby Saint II

He is a liability because he does not produce. End of story.

BakoSaint

He produces some sacks because he is a big lanky guy with long arms who QBs will run towards to run away from Granderson when the pocket breaks down, but they are not very valuable sacks, mostly someone else would have got the QB a yard later if he didnt. He produces some batted passes because he is tall. But he is horrible in run defense and doesn't create pressure unless the oline misses an assignment and he is unblocked. Overall, he is an extreme liability on the field.

AsylumGuido

rezburna

His grades are horrible, but 6 sacks from a DT is really high production all things considered. Elite production tbh.

Crusader

He is a classic example of when the production and stats don't match - only the opposite way around from the usual example.

BakoSaint

For some reason PFF is currently showing some premium breakdown stats that they usually don't show.

While Bresee's PFF score rose all the way to 38 (still lowest that I know of on the team) with his big game two weeks ago, its down to 37.8 again, so he couldn't sustain just the worst production on the team.

PFF is now showing a breakdown of that 37.8 grade: 57.1 pass rush and 28.3 run defense grade. 28.3 run defense grade is good for 212th of 213 defensive interior players.

Everyone said Bresee's kick block was an incredibly athletic play and I just don't see it. He looked incredibly awkward, like Rocksteady or Beebop jumping in a Ninja Turtles game my kid plays at Chuck E Cheese, and looked like he was crumpling down with a risk of tearing a ligament on the landing as he blocked the kick.

Some other telling stats, Bresee is 19th in total snaps, but 107th in solo tackles and 129th in assists.

Bresee's run defense is not a minor detail. It is like Kadarius Toney's hands. It is like Jameis Winston's pick sixes. It is like Diontae Johnson and Devondre Campbells motivation. It is like Walter Thomas's endurance.

7.5 sacks may sound like amazing production but would you agree to play defense with 10 men on the field all game in return for pushing your opponent back 10 yards on one play? That is the reality of starting Bresee. That is why he is the lowest ranked players on the Saints team when you look at every play not just the average of one highlight reel play per game.

If the Saints are smart, they will trade Bresee in the offseason to a team that isnt. Or they will fire their defensive line coach and bring in competition and not just reward mediocrity with infinity snaps.

papz

I get all that at the same time, he's young and relatively inexpensive. We have time to continue to develop him. What kind of return do we realistically think we can get for him? 3-5 round draft pick? I'd rather just hold on to him for that.

We're likely going to have a coaching overhaul this off season and I hope we can get some premium position coaches to attempt to get better production from the guys we've drafted first. It's a bit early to cut bait here. If anything, give him all the snaps he can take. We don't really have nothing to play for and we should get him as much experience as possible. That game tape will be very helpful for the next sets of coaches that will be brought in.

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.

All little common sense goes a long way.

neugey

If we're having the discussion then we already know the answer. But I'll still take 1 Bresee over 50 Jonathan Sullivans.