Saints Season

arsaint · 10-25-2024, 02:51 PM

I WANT us to win out because that means another Superbowl title.

Reality though??? Roger Goodell will make sure we finish between 6-9 wins with a little surge near the end of the season to keep the fans engaged. SCREW HIM. I'm not buying his screwjob or his merch.

It'll also means another mid 1st draft pick that won't make a big difference on the team and another year plus of past-their-prime players at a premium and the Dennis Allen Ah Shucks We Sucks show...

iceshack149 · 10-26-2024, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by arsaint

I WANT us to win out because that means another Superbowl title.

Reality though??? Roger Goodell will make sure we finish between 6-9 wins with a little surge near the end of the season to keep the fans engaged. SCREW HIM. I'm not buying his screwjob or his merch.

It'll also means another mid 1st draft pick that won't make a big difference on the team and another year plus of past-their-prime players at a premium and the Dennis Allen Ah Shucks We Sucks show...

It does appear that the NFL has their thumb on the scales in determining the outcomes of games and ultimately the season. Before the Rams went back to L.A. a few years ago Goodell made it clear that he wanted that team to succeed (there's a lot of money in L.A. of course) and it's apparent that the NFL is making sure that the Rams win games.
And now that the NFL is constantly peddling gambling sites you know that the league is shadier than ever and it will only get worse.

stickman · 10-27-2024, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by arsaint

Reality though??? Roger Goodell will make sure we finish between 6-9 wins with a little surge near the end of the season to keep the fans engaged. SCREW HIM. I'm not buying his screwjob or his merch.

Roger Goodell doesn't need to screw us. This team is doing enough on it's own to wreck the season.

AsylumGuido · 10-27-2024, 09:01 AM

Honestly, there's not another team in the league that would do much better having lost as many key players as we've had to deal with this season. Backups are backups for a reason. They simply are not as talented as starters. There will be isolated exceptions. A team may be able to cover a hole or two at some positions, but other positions are simply not deep enough across the entire league to provide that sort of depth. QB and offensive line are way up at the top of that position list. We've basically had to dip into the very bottom of the depth pool to field those positions. We've fielded 12 different offensive linemen with 11 having taken a sizable number snaps including four different at center.

People say that injuries are not an excuse for losing. I agree with that. If a team was performing bad before injuries struck they would be being used as an excuse. But, injuries are absolutely a reason behind losing. When a team loses a sizable number of their top performers due to injury, which the Saints have experienced, it is undoubtedly a major reason behind the team's overall performance. The two blowout wins over NFL teams in the first two games of the season shows they were not a bad team at all.

Sinner · 10-27-2024, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Honestly, there's not another team in the league that would do much better having lost as many key players as we've had to deal with this season. Backups are backups for a reason. They simply are not as talented as starters. There will be isolated exceptions. A team may be able to cover a hole or two at some positions, but other positions are simply not deep enough across the entire league to provide that sort of depth. QB and offensive line are way up at the top of that position list. We've basically had to dip into the very bottom of the depth pool to field those positions. We've fielded 12 different offensive linemen with 11 having taken a sizable number snaps including four different at center.

People say that injuries are not an excuse for losing. I agree with that. If a team was performing bad before injuries struck they would be being used as an excuse. But, injuries are absolutely a reason behind losing. When a team loses a sizable number of their top performers due to injury, which the Saints have experienced, it is undoubtedly a major reason behind the team's overall performance. The two blowout wins over NFL teams in the first two games of the season shows they were not a bad team at all.

The two blowout wins were against REALLY BAD teams. We’re just BAD.

… And we need a new Head Coach.

spkb25 · 10-27-2024, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

The two blowout wins were against REALLY BAD teams. We’re just BAD.

… And we need a new Head Coach.

O noticed Mr positive needed over a week away before trying to spin the record. Does that work with Vgeas when they gladly take your money? Can you just say nonsense and not pay?

AsylumGuido · 10-27-2024, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

O noticed Mr positive needed over a week away before trying to spin the record. Does that work with Vgeas when they gladly take your money? Can you just say nonsense and not pay?

By the way, smartass, I left the country for a cruise with no access for a week after we drove from Nola to Galveston on Friday morning after the Thursday night game we attended. Better than your sorry ass spending weeks or months away until you can celebrate losses.

What a frickin' loser.

spkb25 · 10-27-2024, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

By the way, smartass, I left the country for a cruise with no access for a week after we drove from Nola to Galveston on Friday morning after the Thursday night game we attended. Better than your sorry ass spending weeks or months away until you can celebrate losses. What a frickin' loser.

Cruise ships dont have internet now, amazing. You can't lie, douche, most of us have been on cruises.

Weeks to months waiting for a loss, think it was 3 days between losses recently.

Might want to stop spending your wife's money on cruises since you're going to be giving a large chunk to Vegas. You slop.

Sinner · 10-27-2024, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

By the way, smartass, I left the country for a cruise with no access for a week after we drove from Nola to Galveston on Friday morning after the Thursday night game we attended. Better than your sorry ass spending weeks or months away until you can celebrate losses. What a frickin' loser.

Welcome home. Keep that Merkens jersey handy, to wipe the tears on your rose colored glasses today.

BakoSaint · 10-27-2024, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Honestly, there's not another team in the league that would do much better having lost as many key players as we've had to deal with this season. Backups are backups for a reason. They simply are not as talented as starters. There will be isolated exceptions. A team may be able to cover a hole or two at some positions, but other positions are simply not deep enough across the entire league to provide that sort of depth. QB and offensive line are way up at the top of that position list. We've basically had to dip into the very bottom of the depth pool to field those positions. We've fielded 12 different offensive linemen with 11 having taken a sizable number snaps including four different at center.

People say that injuries are not an excuse for losing. I agree with that. If a team was performing bad before injuries struck they would be being used as an excuse. But, injuries are absolutely a reason behind losing. When a team loses a sizable number of their top performers due to injury, which the Saints have experienced, it is undoubtedly a major reason behind the team's overall performance. The two blowout wins over NFL teams in the first two games of the season shows they were not a bad team at all.

I agree that injuries can be a reason for poor performance. For example, possibly DA and Loomis were dropped as babies, or their moms fell down the stairs when pregnant, and they had blood to the brain, and sustained a fair degree of mental retardation.

As for the Saints, all backups are not created equally. Many teams backups are proven commodities they were able to sign to reasonable contracts because they managed their money carefully, or recent middle round picks with promising attributes that could develop into starters. For the Saints, that is not the casing. The Saints go all in on trading up to the first round for a few select mega-projects and spending all their cash to keep aging veteran starters so they can all have a proper 5 year retirement send off, while trading away most of their mid round picks and less most of their solid backups walk away in free agency because Cam and Kamara's kids need to eat. Our depth and backups are the worst in the league, and worse than that, we started the season with 2 backups starting on our oline. Penning and Patrick are the type of guys who would come off the bench for other teams, and though they have performed admirably for us, we would have been much better off if we had 5 solid starters and then guys like that to come in when they got hurt.

Backups who are solid proven steady backups, or who are mid round picks with true potential, compared to backups who are old or journeyman dumped by other teams due to injury concerns or undrafted, are likely to both perform better if given the opportunity, and likely to stay healthier. Good insurance costs money and draft picks, and the Saints have instead opted for the most heavily discounted insurance available.

The Chiefs have had many injuries and are undefeated. The Packers have many and are 5-2. The Saints are a joke.

There is also a reason the Saints have many injuries on offense. We switched offensive systems to a drastically different offense without the the cash or financial flexibility to bring in players suited to the system. A 34yo Taysom Hill is supposed to play the role of a much larger and 3 years younger George Kittle. Chris Olave and Rasheed Shaheed, two speed/finesse receivers, are supposed to play the role of the much more physical and taller and heavier Samuel and Aiyuk who are both over 200 pounds to their 180's. Alvin Kamara is supposed to go from years of lower workload to an every down power back. And there is no depth behind any of them. It should be no surprise they have all been injured.

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10-25-2024, 02:51 PM	#1
arsaint Saint Historian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: deep in the bowels of a hidden bunker, somewhere under the brick & steel of a nondescript building.. Posts: 2,765	Re: Saints Season I WANT us to win out because that means another Superbowl title. Reality though??? Roger Goodell will make sure we finish between 6-9 wins with a little surge near the end of the season to keep the fans engaged. SCREW HIM. I'm not buying his screwjob or his merch. It'll also means another mid 1st draft pick that won't make a big difference on the team and another year plus of past-their-prime players at a premium and the Dennis Allen Ah Shucks We Sucks show...

10-26-2024, 04:25 PM	#2
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,467 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints Season Originally Posted by arsaint I WANT us to win out because that means another Superbowl title. Reality though??? Roger Goodell will make sure we finish between 6-9 wins with a little surge near the end of the season to keep the fans engaged. SCREW HIM. I'm not buying his screwjob or his merch. It'll also means another mid 1st draft pick that won't make a big difference on the team and another year plus of past-their-prime players at a premium and the Dennis Allen Ah Shucks We Sucks show... It does appear that the NFL has their thumb on the scales in determining the outcomes of games and ultimately the season. Before the Rams went back to L.A. a few years ago Goodell made it clear that he wanted that team to succeed (there's a lot of money in L.A. of course) and it's apparent that the NFL is making sure that the Rams win games. And now that the NFL is constantly peddling gambling sites you know that the league is shadier than ever and it will only get worse.

10-27-2024, 08:12 AM	#3
stickman 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Gonzales, LA Posts: 1,819	Re: Saints Season Originally Posted by arsaint Reality though??? Roger Goodell will make sure we finish between 6-9 wins with a little surge near the end of the season to keep the fans engaged. SCREW HIM. I'm not buying his screwjob or his merch. Roger Goodell doesn't need to screw us. This team is doing enough on it's own to wreck the season. Sinner likes this.

10-27-2024, 09:01 AM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,871	Re: Saints Season Honestly, there's not another team in the league that would do much better having lost as many key players as we've had to deal with this season. Backups are backups for a reason. They simply are not as talented as starters. There will be isolated exceptions. A team may be able to cover a hole or two at some positions, but other positions are simply not deep enough across the entire league to provide that sort of depth. QB and offensive line are way up at the top of that position list. We've basically had to dip into the very bottom of the depth pool to field those positions. We've fielded 12 different offensive linemen with 11 having taken a sizable number snaps including four different at center. People say that injuries are not an excuse for losing. I agree with that. If a team was performing bad before injuries struck they would be being used as an excuse. But, injuries are absolutely a reason behind losing. When a team loses a sizable number of their top performers due to injury, which the Saints have experienced, it is undoubtedly a major reason behind the team's overall performance. The two blowout wins over NFL teams in the first two games of the season shows they were not a bad team at all.
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10-27-2024, 09:19 AM	#5
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,076	Re: Saints Season Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Honestly, there's not another team in the league that would do much better having lost as many key players as we've had to deal with this season. Backups are backups for a reason. They simply are not as talented as starters. There will be isolated exceptions. A team may be able to cover a hole or two at some positions, but other positions are simply not deep enough across the entire league to provide that sort of depth. QB and offensive line are way up at the top of that position list. We've basically had to dip into the very bottom of the depth pool to field those positions. We've fielded 12 different offensive linemen with 11 having taken a sizable number snaps including four different at center. People say that injuries are not an excuse for losing. I agree with that. If a team was performing bad before injuries struck they would be being used as an excuse. But, injuries are absolutely a reason behind losing. When a team loses a sizable number of their top performers due to injury, which the Saints have experienced, it is undoubtedly a major reason behind the team's overall performance. The two blowout wins over NFL teams in the first two games of the season shows they were not a bad team at all. The two blowout wins were against REALLY BAD teams. We’re just BAD. … And we need a new Head Coach. spkb25 and K Major like this.
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10-27-2024, 02:27 PM	#6
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Saints Season Originally Posted by Sinner The two blowout wins were against REALLY BAD teams. We’re just BAD. … And we need a new Head Coach. O noticed Mr positive needed over a week away before trying to spin the record. Does that work with Vgeas when they gladly take your money? Can you just say nonsense and not pay?

10-27-2024, 02:32 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,871	Re: Saints Season Originally Posted by spkb25 O noticed Mr positive needed over a week away before trying to spin the record. Does that work with Vgeas when they gladly take your money? Can you just say nonsense and not pay? By the way, smartass, I left the country for a cruise with no access for a week after we drove from Nola to Galveston on Friday morning after the Thursday night game we attended. Better than your sorry ass spending weeks or months away until you can celebrate losses. What a frickin' loser.

10-27-2024, 02:39 PM	#8
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Saints Season Originally Posted by AsylumGuido By the way, smartass, I left the country for a cruise with no access for a week after we drove from Nola to Galveston on Friday morning after the Thursday night game we attended. Better than your sorry ass spending weeks or months away until you can celebrate losses. What a frickin' loser. Cruise ships dont have internet now, amazing. You can't lie, douche, most of us have been on cruises. Weeks to months waiting for a loss, think it was 3 days between losses recently. Might want to stop spending your wife's money on cruises since you're going to be giving a large chunk to Vegas. You slop.

10-27-2024, 11:41 AM	#10
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,447	Re: Saints Season Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Honestly, there's not another team in the league that would do much better having lost as many key players as we've had to deal with this season. Backups are backups for a reason. They simply are not as talented as starters. There will be isolated exceptions. A team may be able to cover a hole or two at some positions, but other positions are simply not deep enough across the entire league to provide that sort of depth. QB and offensive line are way up at the top of that position list. We've basically had to dip into the very bottom of the depth pool to field those positions. We've fielded 12 different offensive linemen with 11 having taken a sizable number snaps including four different at center. People say that injuries are not an excuse for losing. I agree with that. If a team was performing bad before injuries struck they would be being used as an excuse. But, injuries are absolutely a reason behind losing. When a team loses a sizable number of their top performers due to injury, which the Saints have experienced, it is undoubtedly a major reason behind the team's overall performance. The two blowout wins over NFL teams in the first two games of the season shows they were not a bad team at all. I agree that injuries can be a reason for poor performance. For example, possibly DA and Loomis were dropped as babies, or their moms fell down the stairs when pregnant, and they had blood to the brain, and sustained a fair degree of mental retardation. As for the Saints, all backups are not created equally. Many teams backups are proven commodities they were able to sign to reasonable contracts because they managed their money carefully, or recent middle round picks with promising attributes that could develop into starters. For the Saints, that is not the casing. The Saints go all in on trading up to the first round for a few select mega-projects and spending all their cash to keep aging veteran starters so they can all have a proper 5 year retirement send off, while trading away most of their mid round picks and less most of their solid backups walk away in free agency because Cam and Kamara's kids need to eat. Our depth and backups are the worst in the league, and worse than that, we started the season with 2 backups starting on our oline. Penning and Patrick are the type of guys who would come off the bench for other teams, and though they have performed admirably for us, we would have been much better off if we had 5 solid starters and then guys like that to come in when they got hurt. Backups who are solid proven steady backups, or who are mid round picks with true potential, compared to backups who are old or journeyman dumped by other teams due to injury concerns or undrafted, are likely to both perform better if given the opportunity, and likely to stay healthier. Good insurance costs money and draft picks, and the Saints have instead opted for the most heavily discounted insurance available. The Chiefs have had many injuries and are undefeated. The Packers have many and are 5-2. The Saints are a joke. There is also a reason the Saints have many injuries on offense. We switched offensive systems to a drastically different offense without the the cash or financial flexibility to bring in players suited to the system. A 34yo Taysom Hill is supposed to play the role of a much larger and 3 years younger George Kittle. Chris Olave and Rasheed Shaheed, two speed/finesse receivers, are supposed to play the role of the much more physical and taller and heavier Samuel and Aiyuk who are both over 200 pounds to their 180's. Alvin Kamara is supposed to go from years of lower workload to an every down power back. And there is no depth behind any of them. It should be no surprise they have all been injured. Sinner likes this.
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