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IS DENNIS ALLEN STILL HERE?

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Reason, not excuse. The drop-off in performance is most likely due to the lack of preparation coupled with the inferior talent of 2nd, 3rd, and 4th string replacements. Every single game in this streak we've had ...

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Old 11-01-2024, 01:41 PM   #1
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Reason, not excuse. The drop-off in performance is most likely due to the lack of preparation coupled with the inferior talent of 2nd, 3rd, and 4th string replacements. Every single game in this streak we've had no fewer than a half dozen players that haven't had more than two or three (limited) days of snaps with the 1st string. All continuity has been thrown out the window. There is ultimately a point of greatly diminished returns. Replacing two or three players can be accomplished with limited negative affects. The same cannot be said for replacing 40% of the starters. We've been seeing pretty much what I was expecting regardless of my "rosy" rhetoric.

There are currently ten teams in the league with the same or fewer wins as the Saints. That's a 3rd of the league and all have been affected more or less by the same issues we have faced as a team.

I do understand, however, that this doesn't make it any easier to stomach for many fans. I'll assure you that it doesn't make it any easier to stomach for the players, coaches, and front offices either. Unfortunately they all know that there's no easy immediate solution.
Rationalize it all you want, or however you want. Let's pinpoint one thing. Our tackling plain sucks. Has nothing to do with lack of personnel. starters are missing tackles. Makes it harder to watch.
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Rationalize it all you want, or however you want. Let's pinpoint one thing. Our tackling plain sucks. Has nothing to do with lack of personnel. starters are missing tackles. Makes it harder to watch.
Pretty much.

It's belief, culture, attention to detail and accountability.

Running this back again in 2025 is re arranging chairs on the deck of the titanic.
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Old 10-31-2024, 04:09 PM   #4
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Gayle isn't the issue. I'd much rather have an owner that stays in their proverbial lane than an owner that makes it all about them. And Loomis isn't going anywhere so the Saints need to make the necessary adjustments by looking at everyone in the organization from Loomis on down. Allen is the obvious start. Oschner is another problem that needs serious attention. Scouting, Ireland and Mueller need to be held to account.

The organization needs more of a spinal adjustment than a major surgery. Some big names like Cam Jordan need to be let go but they can't just go full demolish-mode and expect to win next year.

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Gayle isn't the issue. I'd much rather have an owner that stays in their proverbial lane than an owner that makes it all about them. And Loomis isn't going anywhere so the Saints need to make the necessary adjustments by looking at everyone in the organization from Loomis on down. Allen is the obvious start. Oschner is another problem that needs serious attention. Scouting, Ireland and Mueller need to be held to account.

The organization needs more of a spinal adjustment than a major surgery. Some big names like Cam Jordan need to be let go but they can't just go full demolish-mode and expect to win next year.
I can't disagree with any of that other than Jordan. I don't believe he needs to be let go because I suspect he's planning retiring after this season anyway. With the class that Jordan has displayed throughout his entire career as a Saint I believe the team owes him the same respect to let him go out on his own terms.
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Originally Posted by iceshack149 View Post
Gayle isn't the issue. I'd much rather have an owner that stays in their proverbial lane than an owner that makes it all about them. And Loomis isn't going anywhere so the Saints need to make the necessary adjustments by looking at everyone in the organization from Loomis on down. Allen is the obvious start. Oschner is another problem that needs serious attention. Scouting, Ireland and Mueller need to be held to account.

The organization needs more of a spinal adjustment than a major surgery. Some big names like Cam Jordan need to be let go but they can't just go full demolish-mode and expect to win next year.
Have you ever run a business personally, as an Owner? If your product or service $ucked as bad as this Saints team, for this long, and you didn’t take full responsibility for making the necessary corrections, you’d be out of business.

You as an Owner are totally responsible for whatever changes need to be made, to keep your customers satisfied. The buck literally stops with you.
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Have you ever run a business personally, as an Owner? If your product or service $ucked as bad as this Saints team, for this long, and you didn’t take full responsibility for making the necessary corrections, you’d be out of business.

You as an Owner are totally responsible for whatever changes need to be made, to keep your customers satisfied. The buck literally stops with you.
That's obviously a simplistic take. NFL owners have a cash cow regardless of results.
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That's obviously a simplistic take. NFL owners have a cash cow regardless of results.
And THAT ^^^ is EXACTLY why the old lady has to go. She has a cash cow, while the customers (fans) get dogsh*t served up weekly. I honestly don’t know how y’all accept it.
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Originally Posted by iceshack149 View Post
That's obviously a simplistic take. NFL owners have a cash cow regardless of results.
....and is being taken advantage of by said owner.... why improve the product when the ****ty product is selling, and the gullible patrons are buying...?
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That's obviously a simplistic take. NFL owners have a cash cow regardless of results.
That's correct, ice. The sinner guy doesn't appear to understand the dynamics of the NFL ownership structure. The NFL knows that every franchise has the potential to go through individual hardships of one kind or another. The stability of EVERY franchise was crucial to the long term success of the league. It was decided in the very early 1960's to share virtually all revenues so every franchise would be guaranteed to be successful regardless how well any individual team was performing on the field. The advent of third party ticket vendors has also almost guaranteed that every ticket will be sold to cover that small percentage that isn't shared in totality. Even if a team's own fans don't show up there are still opposing fans and virtual paid butts in the seats.

It is totally different than any "normal" business operation and to attempt to compare the two is meaningless.

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